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Is that a hotel front desk?
I only know Seven Eleven. Had no idea they had competitors.
Wait till you hear about Seven Twelve.
Well, at least I made a lot of money on OT with that one…
But what about 6 7
Remember remember the 11th of September… wait that doesn’t sound right
Of Jet fuel and steel beams
Definitely not right… But we can make it work
Did ya tell him how much people went in circles trying to explain who did it but it was really territorial control and we kept switching who did it and then killed Osama bin Laden as a world distraction.
Why, what happened on the 9th of November?
I dunno, but remember, remember the fifth of November.
Plenty of things in Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_November_in_German_history
Ah yes, I remember the wall in 1989
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn’t revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won’t know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won’t land well.
Let me guess, you’re Russian or Israeli?
I am a dog using the internet while the humans are away at work.
lots of people have been bombed all around the world, not just “russian or israeli”
Northern Irish.
I think this is a fair way to look at it. I don’t watch the news much so I don’t know what goes on in other countries either
Omagh Bombing.
“Most” Americans don’t celebrate the IRA. Most Americans don’t even know what the IRA is other than a retirement account.
The ones that do know generally support the UK in that whole mess. The IRA is literally a designated terrorist group in the US.
Bit of stretch to say “most Americans” celebrate the IRA. I do understand the IRA is memed in Libertarian gun culture.
The Omagh bombing showcases how indiscriminate violence is fucking horrible, in both how it affects so many people and turns many more against your cause.
On this platform I have seen so many Americans try and justify incidents like the Omagh bombing and the actions of the various IRA groups in general.
Even now. You just had to include the “turns many more against your cause.” As a closing argument.
Rather than just leave it at “innocent people dying is a bad thing”.
“Why’s it called 9/11 if it happened in September though?”
The country sobered up and decided to write dates correctly, only to relapse the very next day.
It’s named after their emergency number. Lots of people dialed 911 that day.
No, there used to be 9/11 buildings there. Don’t know about the two missing ones. Two buildings were attackes. Now there’s 7/11
Noo, you see, there where 11 buildings and after the 2 towers got taken down, there where now 9/11 buildings!
I’ve just barely survived a date format discussion and this is the first comment I read after. God dammit
That’s quite the euphemism for what many would call a hand-to-hand edged metal disagreement (in my experience at least. Also metric vs US customary metric)
Because it happened on 2001-09-11 in the One True Date Format.
What happened?
Some American heros crashed a plane
Literally yes (in the sense that they were the proximal cause of the crash, not the ones flying).
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Well, to be precise:
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But the ones in here comparing it to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust need to get some perspective. It was a pivotal moment and a serious reality check for the Americans, but it was not the Holocaust.
Yeah it’s not even the closest thing to a holocaust that’s happened on US soil
I’d argue we broke from reality after 9/11. Started 2 futile wars, passed the Patriot act, militarized the police, the rise of 24/7 “News” channels and Fox in particular.
“It was a tragedy. We lost 19 of our best guys.”
Well, I was in the third grade when 9/11 happened, and there was never any kind of formal education about it, because we had all experienced. Kids a just a few years younger than me would t remember it at all, but likely still wouldn’t have learned about it in school yet. That’s probably where this guy falls
I had to do a bunch of my own learning about the gulf war. Similarly, it happened before I was born but recent enough that history teachers didn’t consider it history. I now think it set the stage for a lot of the US geopolitically and I really should’ve learned about it in school.
Should we double check, and make sure he knows what Pearl Harbor was? And Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? And the Holocaust?
What? It’s not unreasonable to say he may have missed some key moments in history.
I only learned of this one from Behind the Bastards
Since I’ve come back from India I’ve sort of just been waiting to hear about an environmental disaster there. This makes sense.
Wdym
They burn plastic, Modi is killing/jailing climate change activists, and literally every single waterway I saw was choked with plastic. Every single animal I saw looked like it was on deaths door, aside from young animals - they didn’t look much better.
All in all, India is one of the most depressing places I’ve ever had the displeasure of visiting. Any change the west tries to make regarding the climate will be instantly wiped out a country like India. I would call the whole country an environmental catastrophe if it weren’t for places like Kerala, which if I’m not mistaken is also just fucked now.
Did meeting great people and eating delicious food at least mean it wasn’t all bad?
I have never had worse food poisoning, and the people were nice but I can’t say that I actually ‘met’ anyone. I can say that I had a decent conversation with a Kashmiri man who really only wanted to sell me his stuff (got a magnetic chessboard and a scarf, the interaction was genuinely the highlight of the 10 days), and an uber driver who was very kind but struggled with English. Oh, none of them would address my girlfriend by the way - it was only me, the man. That alongside the animals made her particularly depressed.
The people were the most depressing part, for me. I know that wealth inequality is bad here in the states, but seeing it somewhere like India is just… eye opening. It can get a whole hell of a lot worse here, if a place like India is any indication (no pun intended).
a new environmental disaster or one of the usuals
Every single waterway was choked with plastic. Genuinely depressing.
We studied that in university from a industrial and aviation safety expert. Its really worth reading how that shit came about. The human stupidity on this was recklessness on steroids.
One example: the siren that should be used to evacuate all personnel was used daily to call employees to lunch.
You can imagine how that ended.
The first 3 are American, I could see a foreigner not knowing. My sister is a teacher in Europe and she says none of her students knew about the Holocaust. These are teenagers. I think maybe we might be fucked as a species.
a teacher in Europe
…like, all of it?
But more to the point, I call bullshit. I cannot think of a country in Europe where the Holocaust is not well known.
I really hope she was bullshitting me but she seemed serious. This is in Bulgaria.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in Japan?
It was an American attack, American history goes into much more detail about it than across the pond.
America attacked Pearl Harbor?
Pearl Harbor was an inside job
Not as a species, just as workers under capitalism
Uhhhhhh, I wouldn’t classify Hiroshima and Nagasake as “Disasters in American history”.
I’d say they are “Disasters in Japanese history”.
To be fair 9/11 is probably going to be forgotten about way sooner
It’s not too relevant for a school history lesson because it didn’t have too many consequences except for the Iraq war
The whole TSA security theater in airports came about because of 9/11. Air travel was much different before that, just walk through a simple metal detector and anyone can go all the way up to the gate to greet or send off your traveling friend/family.
uncomfortable afghanistan noises
So thing about history, too recent history isn’t taught. Because the system is made around your parents teaching you what they went through.
Like lots of muricans forget about minsk and go neanerthal about russia. Happens a lot
Naninjing, dresden, tokio bombing, pol pot… there is no shortage of atrocicites.
The equivalent would be someone in 2001 not knowing something that happened in 1976.
We landed on the moon!
Don’t make me feel older
2001 or 1973?
Did he go to a Waldorf school? I heard that’s a thing. Like they just collectively tried to keep kids from knowing about it.
What is that and what would even be the point of that
A Waldorf school is like a regular school but with apple and walnuts
Hey I had am Apple and a Walnut in school too :/
Go research Rudolf Steiner if you want to know more about “magical thinking”. The dude was completely insane but somehow seemed charismatic enough to kick off several esoteric movements. He just made up the most insane shit about all kinds of fields: Agriculture, education, medicine to name some of the most popular ones. Steiner is one of the main reasons why esoteric thinking is so prevalent in today’s Germany.
He could be 20 and not american.
Are we sure even happened?
Can jet fuel melt steel? 🤔/s
This is a step beyond that, though. Not “9/11 was an inside job”, but “9/11 didn’t happen”. Like the towers are still there and the conspiracy is to make you think that they fell down.
no, but a fucking impact with 700 km/h can fucking tear it apart.
Bruh.
what i kinda don’t get about this whole thing … is that kinda, in other countries (look at the middle east), they get bombed daily and none of you bats an eye (well, some do, but still, this has been going on for 50 years and i hardly ever hear anyone talking about it). meanwhile you get one terrorist attack and everyone’s supposed to lose their minds over this.
*One terrorost attack from your own government
racism i think. that time the “supreme race” got attacked
People outside the US dont care or aren’t expected to care about 9/11. Americans are loud and own the platforms so it seems like the entire world but its really just them treating the entire internet like an American fourm.
People in NZ still schzio out about a French terrorist attack that happened to us 40 years ago. I still see news bring it up.
America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi “freedom” alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the “patriot” act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)
I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it’s a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of “national security” and protesting /voting against it at the time.
Americans … protesting
You’re kidding, right? If Americans are incapable of doing anything, its protesting. And don’t tell me about the sad “no kings” protests, that was nothing.
I know that many Americans, maybe even most, don’t agree with US policies, but that is the problem: you’ve allowed a tiny rich minority to abuse your and other countries for well over a century and you haven’t done shit to stop that. Its gone on for so long that most left wing people in the USA are still having right wing ideas because you dont even know better
Do you think maybe there’s a way to phrase that where you’re not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?
How about “The worlds most advanced military power allowed 2000 deaths to occur, all to further allow its parent state to tighten restrictions on free movement, increase surveillance on innocent civilians, and garner support for an invasion of an unrelated country?”
It was ~3.4k total body count but yeah essentially that
You’re spot on, and that said tragedy was exploited to do even more cruelty makes it even worse
I mean, it’s a terrorist attack involving multiple simultaneous plane hijacks crashing into the center of one of the most populated cities in the world. Not that we should rank terrorism, but…
yeah and i find it weird how little attention is given to the symbolic targets … the World Trade Center was largely involved in establishing cross-country businesses … in other words, meddling within other country’s internal economics (often to the dismay of the local population). by far not all people in the world wanted free trade. so they attacked the free trade center … and that was a symbol against free trade, free trade being an unwanted thing by many other people around the globe because it meant the disruption of native economic systems, etc.
and yet that fact that free trade is not globally understood as something universally good, and that maybe there should be less of it, … i don’t think that i’ve ever heard any newspaper talk about that.
Control the media, control the mind.
It’s not about the actual casualties and destruction, it’s about how you can spin it into your favour.
American Democracy got suckered for over 20 years to put oligarchs in power.
The US never gets attacked. There’s an ally to the north, an ally to the south, and two big fucking oceans to the east and west. So, when it does happen, it’s a pretty big deal.
It’s just so blown up because it hurt american pride.
I lost 14 colleagues and none of them were American. Was the response overblown? Yes. But it’s called the “World” Trade center for a reason.
