Remember remember the 11th of September… wait that doesn’t sound right
Of Jet fuel and steel beams
Definitely not right… But we can make it work
Disclaimer: am not American nor Western
I remember this day. Was a wee lad. We were on vacation. The TV was on and apparently it was the news. I don’t remember if it’s breaking news but it might not be, since we’re 12 ish hours different time zones, and I remember seeing it at day time.
Well, back then I thought it was a movie…
And the eerie part was that my dad had just gotten back home from a business trip there just a few days before.
Why, what happened on the 9th of November?
Plenty of things in Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_November_in_German_history
Ah yes, I remember the wall in 1989
I dunno, but remember, remember the fifth of November.
Did he go to a Waldorf school? I heard that’s a thing. Like they just collectively tried to keep kids from knowing about it.
He could be 20 and not american.
What is that and what would even be the point of that
Go research Rudolf Steiner if you want to know more about “magical thinking”. The dude was completely insane but somehow seemed charismatic enough to kick off several esoteric movements. He just made up the most insane shit about all kinds of fields: Agriculture, education, medicine to name some of the most popular ones. Steiner is one of the main reasons why esoteric thinking is so prevalent in today’s Germany.
A Waldorf school is like a regular school but with apple and walnuts
Hey I had am Apple and a Walnut in school too :/
2001 or 1973?
It’s why, out of habit, I call them the 9/11 attacks since that’s a websearch-able term that will yield informative results. I am often caught flat footed, not knowing things that are assumed to be common knowledge.
what i kinda don’t get about this whole thing … is that kinda, in other countries (look at the middle east), they get bombed daily and none of you bats an eye (well, some do, but still, this has been going on for 50 years and i hardly ever hear anyone talking about it). meanwhile you get one terrorist attack and everyone’s supposed to lose their minds over this.
It’s just so blown up because it hurt american pride.
I lost 14 colleagues and none of them were American. Was the response overblown? Yes. But it’s called the “World” Trade center for a reason.
*One terrorost attack from your own government
racism i think. that time the “supreme race” got attacked
The US never gets attacked. There’s an ally to the north, an ally to the south, and two big fucking oceans to the east and west. So, when it does happen, it’s a pretty big deal.
People outside the US dont care or aren’t expected to care about 9/11. Americans are loud and own the platforms so it seems like the entire world but its really just them treating the entire internet like an American fourm.
People in NZ still schzio out about a French terrorist attack that happened to us 40 years ago. I still see news bring it up.
America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi “freedom” alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the “patriot” act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)
I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it’s a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of “national security” and protesting /voting against it at the time.
Americans … protesting
You’re kidding, right? If Americans are incapable of doing anything, its protesting. And don’t tell me about the sad “no kings” protests, that was nothing.
I know that many Americans, maybe even most, don’t agree with US policies, but that is the problem: you’ve allowed a tiny rich minority to abuse your and other countries for well over a century and you haven’t done shit to stop that. Its gone on for so long that most left wing people in the USA are still having right wing ideas because you dont even know better
Do you think maybe there’s a way to phrase that where you’re not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?
How about “The worlds most advanced military power allowed 2000 deaths to occur, all to further allow its parent state to tighten restrictions on free movement, increase surveillance on innocent civilians, and garner support for an invasion of an unrelated country?”
It was ~3.4k total body count but yeah essentially that
You’re spot on, and that said tragedy was exploited to do even more cruelty makes it even worse
Control the media, control the mind.
It’s not about the actual casualties and destruction, it’s about how you can spin it into your favour.
American Democracy got suckered for over 20 years to put oligarchs in power.
I mean, it’s a terrorist attack involving multiple simultaneous plane hijacks crashing into the center of one of the most populated cities in the world. Not that we should rank terrorism, but…
yeah and i find it weird how little attention is given to the symbolic targets … the World Trade Center was largely involved in establishing cross-country businesses … in other words, meddling within other country’s internal economics (often to the dismay of the local population). by far not all people in the world wanted free trade. so they attacked the free trade center … and that was a symbol against free trade, free trade being an unwanted thing by many other people around the globe because it meant the disruption of native economic systems, etc.
and yet that fact that free trade is not globally understood as something universally good, and that maybe there should be less of it, … i don’t think that i’ve ever heard any newspaper talk about that.
“Why’s it called 9/11 if it happened in September though?”
Because it happened on 2001-09-11 in the One True Date Format.
I’ve just barely survived a date format discussion and this is the first comment I read after. God dammit
That’s quite the euphemism for what many would call a hand-to-hand edged metal disagreement (in my experience at least. Also metric vs US customary metric)
The country sobered up and decided to write dates correctly, only to relapse the very next day.
It’s named after their emergency number. Lots of people dialed 911 that day.
No, there used to be 9/11 buildings there. Don’t know about the two missing ones. Two buildings were attackes. Now there’s 7/11
Noo, you see, there where 11 buildings and after the 2 towers got taken down, there where now 9/11 buildings!
If you want to tell our response to it through comedy, I suggest the Seanbaby article The Nation that Freaked Out http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn’t revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won’t know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won’t land well.
Omagh Bombing.
“Most” Americans don’t celebrate the IRA. Most Americans don’t even know what the IRA is other than a retirement account.
The ones that do know generally support the UK in that whole mess. The IRA is literally a designated terrorist group in the US.
Bit of stretch to say “most Americans” celebrate the IRA. I do understand the IRA is memed in Libertarian gun culture.
The Omagh bombing showcases how indiscriminate violence is fucking horrible, in both how it affects so many people and turns many more against your cause.
On this platform I have seen so many Americans try and justify incidents like the Omagh bombing and the actions of the various IRA groups in general.
Even now. You just had to include the “turns many more against your cause.” As a closing argument.
Rather than just leave it at “innocent people dying is a bad thing”.
Let me guess, you’re Russian or Israeli?
lots of people have been bombed all around the world, not just “russian or israeli”
Northern Irish.
I am a dog using the internet while the humans are away at work.
I think this is a fair way to look at it. I don’t watch the news much so I don’t know what goes on in other countries either
I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, “life is too short.” Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.
May I ask, did you manage to find something that made you happy?
Oh hell yeah. I walked over to the pizza shop, got a job, and I’ve been doing pizza ever since (well, almost, I did repo for a while, too). It’s the best gig in the world. Thanks for asking, friend :)
Great! Happy you found what makes you happy! :D
I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.
Americans went nuts after 9/11. It was weird how all of a sudden, it was ok to be openly racist. Up to then, I knew older people were racist, but were being shamed into keeping quiet and it was fading from younger generations, but 9/11 set all that back. They were right to be scared.
Had a French teacher in high school who was from Morocco, and Muslim. He had some pretty harrowing stories from the years following 9/11. The most extreme of them involved him and his family being targeted in a drive-by shooting. Said some of the rounds missed his daughter by inches where she was sleeping. Recounted the feeling of being hunted as prey by bat-guano crazy rednecks…
That vibe quieted down by the 2010s, but now it’s come roaring back. MAGA is like three 9/11s in a trench coat.
I mean, if they were in Texas they probably have a reason to worry
Not sure why you were downvoted. Looks like some people forgot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism
“In the United States, anti-Arab racism surged after the September 11 attacks, resulting in widespread racial profiling and hate crimes against Arab Americans.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism#United_States
“According to the FBI and Arab groups, the number of attacks against Arabs and Muslims, as well as others mistaken for them, rose considerably after the 9/11 attacks. Hate crimes against people of Middle Eastern origin or descent increased from 354 attacks in 2000, to 1,501 attacks in 2001. Among the victims of the backlash was a Middle Eastern man in Houston, Texas who was shot and wounded after an assailant accused him of “blowing up the country”, and four immigrants shot and killed by a man named Larme Price, who confessed to killing them as revenge for the September 11 attacks.”
Thank you!
they still had cause to worry in Colorado. people were fucking crazy
Is that a hotel front desk?
Are we sure even happened?
Bruh.
Can jet fuel melt steel? 🤔/s
This is a step beyond that, though. Not “9/11 was an inside job”, but “9/11 didn’t happen”. Like the towers are still there and the conspiracy is to make you think that they fell down.
no, but a fucking impact with 700 km/h can fucking tear it apart.
The equivalent would be someone in 2001 not knowing something that happened in 1976.
We landed on the moon!
Don’t make me feel older
Well, I was in the third grade when 9/11 happened, and there was never any kind of formal education about it, because we had all experienced. Kids a just a few years younger than me would t remember it at all, but likely still wouldn’t have learned about it in school yet. That’s probably where this guy falls
I had to do a bunch of my own learning about the gulf war. Similarly, it happened before I was born but recent enough that history teachers didn’t consider it history. I now think it set the stage for a lot of the US geopolitically and I really should’ve learned about it in school.
