Been doing this for a year now and it’s LIBERATING. No. Regrets and haven’t looked back.
In my personal experience I find women are more willing to do this than straight men. Just putting that out there, and I wonder if anyone else feels the same
There are times I can’t tell them that, they’re clients where I work, etc, but I will not talk to them. Once they make a comment supporting this trash presidency, small talk stops, I get the job done and dip. Nothing extra, bare minimum. May not even say hi to you when I’m at your office.
Km glad I did find a lot of really cool clients i can commiserate together with.
Otherwise, fuck em all. You voted for a terrible terrible piece of shit that you would not even leave your daughter or wife with. You’re a shit person who does not deserve to share the air I breathe.
Well if you do this as a straight white male you lose every straight white male in your life so yeah it can seem daunting lol.
Is it a loss?
Is that supposed to be a problem?
I’d rather make diverse friends than make a friend with somebody that openly supports Trump and his ilk.
Is it weird that I, a cis & straight presenting, white man, make friends with people outside my demographics? I mean, I do make friends within my demographics, but they are absolutely not Trump supporters.
Hard to be around people who actively vote away your rights.
That’s pretty broad, who are we referring to here
I find women are more willing to do this
I don’t even live in the US and I know that the GOP is doing everything to strip rights from women.
I dunno, maybe the US Government making it a death sentence to have an abortion?
Yeah that’s bad, what are we arguing about exactly?
You thinking it’s okay to vote women’s rights away.
Did you mean to reply to someone else?
THAT’S why I’ve got so few friends! It’s my high standards for justice!
Do you need friends? I can make recommendations
I mean honestly if you’re in Los Angeles I’d be down for a Lemmy meetup for fun. I did that once with Wikipedians, good times!
I’m not but I would! I want to go to LA again, my aunt lives in Venice Beach so I should probably hit her up. I did a meetup for the world cup and met some really cool people! Unfortunately in your 30s you have to start working for friends, they no longer fall into your lap
That fuck is a zionist and proud, so probably not them if you’ve got a strong sense of justice https://thelemmy.club/comment/27905541
As a leftist, I dislike this sentiment. We should not normalize isolating folks on the far right.
Of course, do what you want with your friend groups. Kick someone out if you don’t like hanging with them. But if you can swing it, there are a lot of cases where it can be really good thing to expose conservative folks to leftist worldviews in a friendly setting.
I feel including conservative folks has a much more direct and convincing theory of change than excluding them does.
(Again, it is cool if you don’t want to do that.)
I agree with the sentiment and have practiced this for years – it was pounded into me during my education-- but have not found any balance in it. The evils stay evil and I feel like they thrive on my making room for them. Its very odd that some otherwise sane and caring people can have these parts of their personalities that are completely distinct from the rest of how they think, and it doesn’t make any sense to me personally. Usually the biggest hurdle is around Israel support. So we stay friends, but I think they are evil shits and they think I’m a peacenik moron who is naive out of touch with the real world (I think).
I’m not certain, but I think at its core is racism and lack of respect for others, while wishing them well at the same time. So they want to tell themselves they are good people, but hate on certain ethnic groups. Kind of a “I’m going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it” sort of thing. Ironically they dont know a single thing about islam, and universally dont know any muslims.
They tend to be middle class too-- truly middle, and well above average intelligence, mostly with career success. They dont worry about money, really ever. Victims of propoganda? I still dont know.
Kind of a “I’m going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it” sort of thing.
Not sure if you were making a reference, but one of Israel’s most distinctive propaganda tactics is literally called Shooting And Crying. Basically, get your former IDF soldiers to act all sad about the atrocities they had to commit, so the public focus stays on sympathy instead of the war crimes and genocides they committed. Nobody feels good about kicking a crying person while they’re down, so it’s a way to shunt blame and avoid being held accountable for your own actions.
Basically, divert the blame onto the shadowy and faceless “they”. They ordered me to do bad things. They put me in situations where I was forced to make impossible choices. They forced me to struggle to survive. They are the reason I had to do all of those awful things. Because “they” is a faceless amorphous entity that can’t be held accountable and can’t defend itself against allegations. Meaning “they” is easy to shift blame onto as long as I remain a sympathetic victim in the public’s mind. If I keep crying, I never actually have to apologize for my war crimes, because they should be the ones apologizing instead.
This is the way to go.
If they don’t have left wing friends they would only have right wing friends, and surely they won’t ever change their mind in that environment.
To be real that attitude is a little abusive, “be like I want or I left you!” kind of deal. Preying on vulnerable people that would change themselves just out of fear of being alone. I don’t want that. I want convince people of my views because they see how good they are, not because I threatened them.
I’ve been doing a little bit of this with someone I work with. The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can’t make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard. And that equipment will make me more kilowatts, for free.
The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can’t make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard.
Yeah, the Technology Connections video on solar panels vs ethanol production (growing corn to turn into ethanol to add to gasoline) was honestly a great tool for convincing people who simply never bothered to think critically about it. I don’t even need to get them to watch the video, I simply paraphrase some of the arguments he makes.
Alec is a treasure. I have some moderately terrifiying switches and I need to figure out a way to send them to him, even if he didn’t do a video he would probably like them.
I can’t make a gallon of gas myself
Come to my house and watch me compress algae and phytoplankton and turn it into fossil fuels over millions of years.
*cop
Just like the Clintons and Hunter Biden. Epstein was a cop, too. Mossad, technically. That’s why he’s still alive.
Proud boys are feds, too. It’s like we live in a police state or something…where the state is police…and thus we’re lied to for grander investigative purposes. Cuz who do you think of the millionaires club around the world offered Trump a big, stinky bribe or offer or deal of some sort? The FBI knows who offered to rent out their children now because of this thing called “strategy.”
Sorry bro. You can’t hang out with us because you never STFU about Trump.
Cry about it
Can’t tell if this is a pro-trumper speaking or anti-trump
Def not pt.
the silver lining of being a very queer trans person is no one who voted for him wants to hang out with me anyway, so i dont end up running into them in my social circles. they might want to fuck me though, which is weird dichotomy…
If it helps, a lot of them would also kill you on the spot were it came to light they were having sex with you. Then use the gay panic defense in court.
Stay safe please!They might want to get fucked by you which is a slightly weirder, given their outward expressions
Son, if those people socialised at all we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.
Ostracising people for who they voted for pushes them further and isolates them to echo chambers where they become more extreme
The biggest impact you can have is ongoing casual and fair discussion of candidate policy and the effect on them going forward
When you put them on the defensive the natural response is to clamp down on their views harder
Ostracising people for who they voted for pushes them further and isolates them to echo chambers
I’d say they were already neck deep in an echo chamber to vote for a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt who openly states that their family members who are liberals are a danger to our nation.
When you put them on the defensive the natural response is to clamp down on their views harder
That ship sailed a decade ago and MOUNTAINS of facts haven’t swayed them back to reality.
Your mindset is one you should have had a decade ago. A lot has happened since then. These people are not still redeemable and no energy should be wasted on trying to redeem them, only beating them into submission.
The problem with having a casual and fair discussion about candidate policy is that you’re doing it with a backdrop of people being murdered in the streets by fascist death squads and your lack of urgency just drives home for these people that it can’t be that big of a deal if you’re still having a civil discussion about it.
There is no way to be civil and fair with people who have decided this kind of activity is acceptable - they do not have consciences to appeal to. They are the people who only understand fear of repercussions and the exercise of force as behavioral modifiers.
https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
There is not a single demographic with a positive approval rating for Trump
If the majority of people that voted for Trump are unhappy with their pick, it should be easy to swing their votes
Your refusal to engage and ostracising people who don’t even like what they voted for will do nothing in the long term to improve the country
If they’re unhappy NOW, after the last decade of fucking nonsense, then they can GOOOO FUUUUUCK THEMSELVES.
Us holding hands and singing Kumbaya with them isn’t changing their minds. The fact that their shit decisions are finally affecting them is what’s changing their minds.
If the majority of people that voted for Trump are unhappy with their pick, it should be easy to swing their votes
Lol. You don’t have much experience with conservatives, do you? Let me make it easy.
Party > Country
Every. Fucking. Time. Them being unhappy with Trump in no way, shape, or form means they’re going to swing their votes to a different party. They would NEVER. Under pain of death. Under pain of their children dying. Nothing.
It’s always the same with conservatives. Support a piece of shit scum loser until they legally can’t vote for him anymore, then pretend they never knew the guy and proceed to vote for the next piece of shit scum loser with an “R” next to their name.
This statistic raises the question: did they stop supporting Trump because of logical arguments, or because they lost friends and social status?
Your society is too polarized, please don’t be part of the problem.
Hell no.
This should’ve been normalized in 2016. Probably long before that even.
“Hell no,” is a weird response. Just because you should have done something in the past doesn’t mean you can’t start now. It should be normalized every year.
That’s around when I started cutting people out who couldn’t see reason. Haven’t seen some people for a decade. They thought it was politics, I pointed out they wouldnt leave their daughter alone with him, maybe not vote for a shitty human being rapist? Cut a lot of ties unfortunately. They thought he was going to save the world LMAO.
Found the last message I sent last person I cut from my life. Can’t find one from 2016 atm.
I’m unblocking your number to send this final message.
I don’t associate with Trump supporters, FULL STOP. You’re free to believe what you want, I’m free to walk away. I set this boundary in 2018 and began enforcing it in 2021 after the Jan 6th Insurrection. I want absolutely nothing to do with this administration.
We started talking about car repair because you seemed like a normal, everyday guy. Learning that you’re a proud Trump supporter sucks because I did enjoy helping and hanging out with you. But your views are the completely opposite of mine if you think America is being “saved” by Trump. Your idea of “saving” is very strange.
Trump is a 34x convicted felon (for fraud no less), convicted rapist, accused by dozens of women of sexual assault, who raped his previous wife, hung out with pedophile Epstein (why aren’t the Epstein files released? What is Bondi hiding?) regularly on the Lolita Express, talks about wanting to fuck his daughter, selling Trump meme coins, peddling products out of the Oval Office, Tesla commercials on the White House lawn, selling “gold card” citizenships for $50k (you can come to America as an immigrant, as long as you have/bring money), dodged the draft yet talks trash about armed services and veterans, defends the nazi hate group the proud boys, calls voters “stupid”, threatening to take away citizenships of anyone he doesn’t like or criticizes the government (literally what the nazis did, revoke the citizenship of Germans who opposed them)… I could go on, but it’s wasted energy.
Logic and reasoning didn’t get you into your current beliefs, login and reason won’t get you out.
Every accusation by a republican is a confession.
People who look up to Trump or think their ideals are the same, are NOT people I want to be around. This isn’t a political stance, we can debate all day on whether students should get free food at school, or that justice doesn’t exist in the eyes of the law, only punishment, etc. This is a moral issue. I will not be part of this fascist regime that American has become with all these concentration camps and deportations for people coming here for a better life, fighting with our neighbors over tariffs. Everyday it’s a new stack of lies and distractions from the previous day, inundated with bullshit so you can’t even respond before 27 new issues are hitting headlines.
I will not provide links, if you want to check it, you can google. Unless you discover it on your own, you won’t check my links so it’s a waste of my time. I’ve been through this, you aren’t the first person to be removed from my life over Trump support and won’t be the last.
This is a line I draw. Maybe one day you’ll see that this is a hate cult, it’s all part of the grift to help the millionaire an billionaire class, but I won’t be around to care.
You’re a real 1.
This was excellent. Sorry your friend was an idiot. There is the “bet he would be upset if he could read” joke somewhere but I am so tired of that being true.
Oh, he replied quickly, didn’t read it at all, told me he wasn’t going to read my “rhetoric”. Cool, enjoy being white trash loser.
I just say “supported” instead of voted.
Sure, continue dividing your country into two sides. Let’s see how that will make everything okay.
Well, the other option is to keep attempting to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with fascist traitor fucks who view facts as anathema and who are currently succeeding in fucking up our economy, stripping human rights, and destroying our international relations.
There’s only one way I like fascists, and it isn’t in a hand holding kind of way.
Call me weird if you like but I think there is already a hard line between normal people and those who would vote for a rapist… are you suggesting they come together and be friends? Do you not think the normalisation of something so abhorrent is why American society has already been abused beyond recognition? Fascinating.
Not saying anything about being friends, but if you guys can’t find a way to behave, work and exist together after Trump, there is really no future for you. Only Trump2 will win.
You can’t hang with us means we can’t be friends. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t work together at their job or in their community. I do think they should be ostracised though which seems the point of this whole post.
I dunno about you, but my policy has always been that I don’t want to hang with people who support child rape.
You’re supposed to convince them to stop supporting child rape, while still being their friend with no real consequences whatsoever. /s
Not an american so I’m not following the whole childrapingfest so closely. But I don’t think a person who is uninformed and has their head filled with propaganda is a pedo themselves. My country voted perfectly againts it’s best in the last election, we’re a full on MAGA fanboy land just because the two MAGA parties (one is “conservative” and other is racist that gets funded by Russia) had a very effective fear-mongering campaigns in the national news. Are these voters all idiots that can’t be helped and should be excluded? No, they just trusted the news they consumed.
Not an american so I’m not following the whole childrapingfest so closely.
Maybe you should start before commenting on American politics. It’s kind of integral to what’s going on right now.
But I don’t think a person who is uninformed and has their head filled with propaganda is a pedo themselves.
I don’t draw much of a distinction between actual card carrying members of the Nazi party and all the German citizens that just kind of shrugged cuz they generally benefited from it until they didn’t.
Are these voters all idiots that can’t be helped and should be excluded?
After a decade of this nonsense and extreme damage to our nation and democracy? Yes.
It’s not like we’re at the beginning of something here. It’s been TEN FUCKING YEARS. Anyone still onboard with Trump/Republicans has actively refused to accept facts and continue harming our nation. They are TRAAAAAAAASH.
I’m also not American, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t trump fans here too, unfortunately.
But I don’t think a person who is uninformed and has their head filled with propaganda is a pedo themselves.
I didn’t say that. I said they supported one. And I don’t want to spend my free time, which is meant to be enjoyed, being around people who support child rapists.
Are these voters all idiots that can’t be helped and should be excluded?
No, but the ones who continue to support a child rapist are.
The thing is, my stance has not changed. I have never wanted to hang out with people who support child rapists. What has changed is that some people now suddenly start to support a child rapist. They’re doing this, not me.
Fair, fair. As long as the voter/supporter knows and believes the allegations. The whole Epstein shit is such a meme-y mess that there is no sure info of anything. I could personally send in a letter of how I know my neighbor, who has never been outside of this country, eat a baby there and it would go into the evidence pile. There is a reason why they aren’t publishing everything lol.
Oof.
Just oof.
You should delete this comment.
Until foreigners apply that to US citizens in general. Then we’re expected to respect the individual who voted otherwise?
Then we’re expected to respect the individual who voted otherwise?
Duh? Why would you disrespect someone for something they’re not responsible for?
They’re all collectively responsible for who they elect.
The difference between the rest of us and them is we take collective responsibility for our arsehole governments.
They’re all collectively responsible for who they elect.
Lol, no. Nether I nor my state voted for it. Do not blame me for the actions of people further away than your entire country from me like I have any control over what happens.
The country is collectively responsible for who it elects.
This is basic democracy. The problem is none of them can accept responsibility. That just comes in different forms, whether it’s non voting when you can, voting for arseholes or blaming others when it goes wrong.
So they lash out at the rest of us who understand that and vote accordingly at home. If that’s not enough they fund their political PACs to insert into our politics at home. Which is our fault too I guess. Like I had someone try and tell me earlier it’s our fault because we won’t sanction the US.
The country is collectively responsible for who it elects.
Wrong.
This is basic democracy
The US operates under a representative democracy, specifically a system with an electoral college. This results in multiple levels of abstraction from your normal voter.
The problem is none of them can accept responsibility.
You’re just butthurt people who didn’t vote for this aren’t accepting your blame.
Cry harder about your grievences with Americans, you’re a pretty big fucking idiot
Wrong
Nope, every democratic country is responsible for the leaders they elect. The US wants to be a special case here and expects others to accept it as one, but it’s responsible for who it elects
The US operates
Yes, I know. It approved Biden and Clinton, but go on, roll out the excuses for that one too
you’re just butthurt
Fucking hardly. I’m well aware Americans won’t accept responsibility they can palm off elsewhere.
cry harder
I think the crying being done by Americans, not anyone outside.
We knew this would happen though, after they elected him again. Excuses everywhere, absolving each individual. Excuses everywhere, anger when the mirrors held up, rage when they’re told to stay home.
Butthurt dipshit bitches about the US when it doesn’t understand anything about the place, more at 11
No.
Every one of us has voted for a rapist. Power fucks people up.
Nah dawg.
Are you young? Because I have voted for a fuckload of people over the years. I wouldn’t vote for a rapist on purpose, I’m just doing the math.
Oh that’s just bullshit. You have no idea who we voted for. :-) But I understand that you did and you want to spread the guilt. I understand, but it’s kinda fucked up to do that.
You’re not understanding me. I’m saying if you’ve voted for more than a handful of politicians in your life, regardless of patty, there is an almost 100% chance you have voted for at least one rapist. Positions of power attract assholes, and even good people are often corrupted once they enter that world. There’s no guilt to me. I’ve been voting for 35 years, I imagine I have voted for quite a few rapists. Never knowingly. I’m just being realistic.
Well I’m glad you’re citing a baseless opinion as fact.
Oh wait, that’s what conservatives/regressives do. Nevermind, that’s fucking stupid and you should delete your comment.
I have filled out at least a thousand of those little bubbles in my life of voting. To think not one of those power hungry dbags ever raped anyone is wild. Things like the Epstein files show what sex culture is like at the top. I just don’t have my head up my ass.
“Shooting and crying”
They’re lazy and not very intelligent and trying to imply that all politicians are rapists.
You can say Trump’s a rapist without any pretext
Don’t you mean evidence?
Nope just blurt out “trump is a rapist”. If you do it casually enough people will treat it like normal behavior
He was convicted of rape, so we’re a ways past the evidence part. Trump is a rapist-- its been ruled so by a court of law. The Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal in the rape case, so its final. There will be no further trials on it.
The problem is that they will then hang out exclusively with people who did.
Or just, nobody. They’re a bunch of losers who worship a billionaire. Most of the assassination attempts have been by former Trump supporters.
