• merc@sh.itjust.works
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    20 days ago

    What’s funny about this to me is that some of the US fans were talking like they thought they had a real shot this year. They always think that the American team is better than it really is. But, they were knocked out in the Round of 16, which is normally the first knockout round of the World Cup.

    Even a Belgian team with almost no members of the “golden generation” was much better than them.

    • adam_y@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      20 days ago

      That’s the thing. They thought they were taking to the pitch as equals.

      The US had an unsurprisingly easy ride to this point in the competition but came up against a genuinely decent team. Bragging about narrowly beating a team ranked 44th.

      The shenanigans just added to the drama, not their chances of winning and that’s the real shame, they could have gone out with some honour and class and, instead, Trump made sure they went out as villains.

      It was genuine wrestling promo nonsense.

    • JenitalJouster@lemmy.zip
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      20 days ago

      some people saw the usa beat some low ranking fifa teams and thought they’d win the whole world cup🤣🤣

    • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      They’re 'Muricans

      They think they are special, just because

      I mean, they’re “special”…

      But they genuinely can’t understand why the civilised world sneers at them

      • zqps@sh.itjust.works
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        20 days ago

        A national self-perception steeped in exceptionalism has them convinced it can’t be anything but envy.

    • JargonWagon@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      Most people in the US didn’t realize there was even a US team in the World Cup at all. Any who thought they had a “real shot” are definitely in the minority, and they exist in every country.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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        20 days ago

        FOOTBALL(soccer) isnt as popular as in EU or the rest of the world, less resources devoted to that sport than in the EU. the people in my university in the states that played soccer aspires to be in a EU league, or at least one that plays in the EU more, they know the US teams are shit.

        • JargonWagon@lemmy.world
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          5 days ago

          Why are you screaming FOOTBALL at me and then whispering soccer afterwards, as if I said soccer and you’re criticising me for doing so. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
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        20 days ago

        The kinds of people I’m talking about are ones who have a local MLS team whose matches they attend, but they also have a favourite European team… and yet, somehow they don’t realize the vast gulf in quality between a player for Real Salt Lake and Real Madrid.

        Timothy Tillman? He wasn’t good enough for any club in the Bundesliga, but he plays for LAFC. He should do fine in a midfield battle against Kevin de Bruyne and Youri Tielemans!

    • YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club
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      20 days ago

      My thinking was that it may have/should have been overturned anyway since it was a bad initial call, but the orange wanted to put his name on it and everyone is giving him too much credit. I genuinely believe they would have rescinded the red regardless of him and he just had to put his rancid stank all over it.

      I played all growing up, in college, and in coed leagues post-college and to this day. A couple of my friends were opining about different calls nd it made me realize one of the quickest ways to get me mad is to talk about a game you can’t even play. I know ball. It was the right decision and also the US team looked like clowns. I was at the game and nearly got heatstroke and they never deserved to even get this far but can we stop giving credit to the slug man?

      • Ibisalt@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        oh you know nothing Jon Snow… that never happened before… de FIFA never overturned a red card in the history of FIFA and there where much worse calls than this one. Its just something that never happens, best you get is a officials report stating that it was a wrong call…3 or 5 weeks after said incident happened. That was pure corruption.

        • YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club
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          20 days ago

          Sweet summer child…are we talking exclusively in boring meme language now? Is this the level of discourse on this site? Disappointing. All I was saying was that overturning reds is not unprecedented and the cheeto demon should not be given sole credit, much as he wants it.

          I love it when people who can’t play sports argue with me about them. Coed game is on Thursday, come play with me and then we can talk.

              • SalamiDommie@lemmus.orgEnglish
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                19 days ago

                Considering how you treated the other person I would say you and I are of a similar ilk.

                Also - not playing a sport does not exclude others from being aware of the issues.

                Your standard is impassable.

                • YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club
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                  16 days ago

                  Are you cosplaying as English? I don’t even get what you’re mad about. If you play a sport actively then your opinion matters more than someone who watches from the couch. Common sense, I fear… You’re just opining and railing about stuff you do not understand and people who behave like you make the internet worse. I like to chat with smart people.

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    21 days ago

    As an American I approve.

    The US team played like shit and our corrupt pedophile president pulled strings to alter the odds.

    And the last thing we need is another win the Pedophile-In-Chief can steal valor from and portray as his own for political gain.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      20 days ago

      it only further deligitimizes a US football team playing against other countries in the future, since nobody will take them seriously now, and likely call out the us team out more once THE PEDOPHILE is gone from WH.

    • YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      It’s a shame, as there was actually some goodwill towards the US team from the rest of the world, out of respect to the hosts and an ability to separate them from the insanely run government. Then he steps in, starts fucking with the rules and most of that evaporated.

  • chunes@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Corruption aside, I’m not sure the rest of the world understands how little Americans care about this sport. I’m not surprised our team sucks lol

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      Let’s say the adult population is 250 million. 25% of 250 million is 62.5 million people. That is almost as many people that live in France. And way more people than Norway, Netherlands and Portugal combined. Yet these three countries have a world class national team and produce top players.

      It’s not that not enough Americans care it is the sports college system for this sport doesn’t work to create elite players. I bet California has enough people interested in the sport to replicate the European promotion and relegation system for a comprehensive multi level amateur league system to produce top players. Like if a tiny nation as Portugal can do it a rich state as California with more inhabitants can probably do it too. 25% of California inhabitants is almost 10 million that is the same as inhabitants in Portugal. And California has a GDP per capita that is more than twice that of Portugal

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
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      20 days ago

      I wonder if there’s any country above 84%. Some small countries like Bosnia seem even more obsessed than Brazil, but they have such a small population that they don’t have the reputation of Brazil.

      • YawningNostalgia@thelemmy.club
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        20 days ago

        The problem with the current Brazil team is that they all play like jugglers. Like yeah man it’s super cool that you can pull nifty tricks while you’re juggling with your friends at the beach, but that’s not the game you’re in now so lock in

        • 🧟‍♂️ Cadaver@lemmy.world
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          20 days ago

          Nah football is football. You play it with your foot and a ball, however you see fit and within the rules. Shenanigans are Brazil’s trademark, they have always been. Stop trying to europeanise football.

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
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          20 days ago

          Not being able to play as a team has always been a weakness for Brazil. The country also expects them to attack and play other teams off the park. It’s a team that always has superstars, and those superstars want to have their moments, and a coach that doesn’t allow that doesn’t last long. Meanwhile teams like Japan put the team first and aren’t too proud to focus on defending.

          But, the bigger issue this time is that Brazil is a really aging squad lacking decent players in some key positions. Their main GK plays for Liverpool. Their CBs play for Arsenal and PSG. Their central midfielders play for or just left big European clubs. But, their fullbacks were major weaknesses. One is about to turn 35 and left Juventus a year and a half ago after barely playing in his final year, and he’s mostly a CB not a fullback. The other is a 32 year old who has been playing in Russia for the last 7 years. Brazil used to have world class fullbacks. Marcelo, Dani Alves, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, etc.

          Age was also an issue. Despite having 2 teenagers in the squad, the third youngest player was 25, and they had almost as many over-30 players as they do under-30s. They were the 6th oldest team at the World Cup, and 3 of those 6 didn’t make it out of the group stage. Only 2 of the 6 were reasonable contenders, Brazil and Colombia, the other one that made it out of the group was the surprise story of the tournament Cabo Verde.

          So, I don’t think it was really that Brazil played too many tricks. They always do that, and they frequently win. The problem this time was that their aging squad lacked good fullbacks which put them under pressure when opponents could get down the wings.

    • NotJohnSmith@feddit.ukEnglish
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      21 days ago

      You can think what you like, I for example think the rest of the world understands perfectly well that soccer isn’t one of your primary sports.

      For a sport in its infancy in your country, I didn’t think the US team were that bad

      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
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        21 days ago

        It actually is one of the primary sports for women in the US. And their womens team is one of the best, having won the world cup 4 times, 91, 99, 15 and 19

        And for 1 in 4 sportsfans to follow football in the US isnt THAT bad. More than i expected.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      21 days ago

      What amuses me is the soccer fans here who think we’re going to get better. I first encountered this in '94 when we (the US) hosted the world cup and got spanked by a Brazil team playing with 10 players. It’s like Indians saying they’re going to be good at basketball soon (they aren’t, because they love cricket).

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
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        20 days ago

        I think the US is going to get better, but I don’t think they’ll be challenging any of the global powerhouses. Soccer / futbol is getting more and more popular over time. And, typically, when a country hosts the world cup, 10-15 years later there’s a new group of players who were inspired by the tournament and who have spent the time since then focusing on it.

        • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
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          20 days ago

          American athletes generally are multi-sport players when younger, and tend to follow the best money. The players who have the best chance at being star soccer players simply end up playing football or basketball. The sport being less popular than at least 4 other sports in America is a huge problem for developing homegrown talent for the national team.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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            20 days ago

            soccer/football seems to be the only sport that our state uni in my area has as a legit sports team, and msot of them want to be part of AN EU team after graduation anyway, they likely know the US one isnt very lucrative or very good at getting them to level of the EU, BRAZIL,etc. they only go for other sports if a specific university has the teams for those sports like FOOTBALL , or basketball.

      • elucubra@sopuli.xyz
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        20 days ago

        So, because they love cricket, they can’t love basketball? Spain, which has 2 orders of magnitude less the population, is a powerhouse both in football and basketball.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      20 days ago

      america only care about the americans only sports, football and basketball, and baseball. ive only ever seen heavily played in a university where students want to be professional in the eu.

  • DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Don’t tempt him. One call is all it takes for Fifa to suddenly declare that actually the USA won. Turns out refs missed 87 fouls by the Belgian team.

    • groet@feddit.org
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      21 days ago

      I hope so much they will actually do something like that. Its about time somebody sets fire to the FIFA headquarters catch on fire randomly.

  • greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    21 days ago

    I don’t think it’s weird or uncommon for trump to ask FIFA to reconsider a red card. He’s a politician doing politics there. It is weird for FIFA to go along with it though, I would be upset at FIFA if they hadn’t already proven how corrupt they are in the past.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
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      20 days ago

      It’s not uncommon for Trump to ask FIFA to reconsider a red card.

      For just about any other politician in the world it would be deeply strange. It’s a sporting competition, and politicians should stay out of it. If they get what they want, they only taint a potential victory. If they don’t get what they want they look weak, and embarrass their country.

    • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      It has nothing to do with politicians doing politician things. It has to do with a narcissistic megalomaniacal snowflake who has to make everything about himself, take credit for shit he has nothing to do with and only knows how to cheat and get away with it.

      • greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        21 days ago

        So you were expecting trump to do something different? I’m saying I’m not surprised at Trump’s actions. But why would FIFA enable this sort of action, just say no.

  • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Now the real question…has the orange kid-fucker lashed out about this yet? How many times has be blamed it on Dems, Biden, has he mentioned Obama yet?