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This is hilarious. If you thought the American capitalists were greedy, pig headed assholes who smugly step on anyone they perceive to be under them while acting like they are helping them, here come the European football fans.
This is a race to the bottom of capitalist assholes trying to get one back on America by further exploiting their proles.
What a gross thing to be proud of!
Tbh, this is a distraction. News channels pointing to those (few probably) pesky foreigners refusing to tip, and everyone falls for the rage bait.
What sucks about stories like this is not only are the servers not getting paid, they’re actually losing money because of the alcohol sales.
Why? Because in most restaurants that sell alcohol the server has to tip out the bartender a percentage of their drink sales. That $0 tip actually just took $5 away from the server.
And without it, dishwashers, bussers, host staff who barely afford minimum living expenses wouldn’t be able to do that.
I was talking about a sub-minimum wage earner tipping out another sub-minimum wage earner, but you’re absolutely right about the other staff. In fact it’s even worse with a sub-minimum wage earner paying out of pocket to the wage earner.
The whole system is rotten.
Everyone: just pay your employees a fair salary
Management: what if instead…
Yes but you’re forgetting that the rich Douchebags going to the world cup are deserving of being allowed to do that because checks notes “the employees they’re hurting work in the USA and therefore aren’t people because their government sucks and ours is so much better just don’t look behind the curtain or in the closet or under the rugs”
Ah, you’re right. Disregard what I said. The servers should be grateful they have the privilege of losing money due to FIFA’s patrons.
I never before thought about FIFA bringing attention to social issues but think about it, the book the spotlight on Qatar, and now the United States, they should probably go to North Korea next.
They are already going to Saudi Arabia in 2034.
They’re just gonna go to wherever is corrupt enough to give them the biggest kickback.
Man europe hates Americans as much as they hate Romani people
Tip your servers and bartenders or go to McDonald’s. Don’t be rude while you’re a guest.
Oh, so they are happy to give their money to the business owners that are not paying their workers enough to live on. And the think that tweeting about their moral highground is good.
great, so these wealthy tourists can return home and the workers are still stuck working for tips. Well, at least these workers don’t have to suffer the extra work for much longer. eventually the world cup will end and business will return to normal. How generous of the european elite to give their money to the business owners.
Don’t hurt fellow workers unless you’re a capitalist.
and they call themselves a first world country…
- Not tipping
- Demanding a living wage for workers
I wonder which of these the euros have been more successful at?
Seriously please yes, to any Europeans visiting the USA, do this. You have my permission as a US citizen to never tip if it’s not listed on the menu as required.
A tip is meant to be “Here’s an extra $10, I know you’re already getting paid a living wage, but you went above and beyond and were the star show the show, you deserve it.” That’s not what we have in the USA, we have some broken tipped minimum wage that makes it feel like an obligation. It’s broken.
Unfortunately righteous causes don’t pay the bills.
Even when the righteous cause is a living wage? 🤔
But it doesn’t. This simply takes money from the servers.
Subsidizing business owners isn’t good for the workers
So you’re boycotting the business or you’re just not tipping the server?
Boycott
Yeah, not paying a tip cause you think the worker deserves a living wage definitely fucks the worker over, rather than the business. So there might be righteous anger, but it’s directed at the one you’re trying to help.
It will sound brutal, but they are stupid to living with this system. Imagine all costumer facing jobs to be depended by tips. Like tech support, cashiers, shop assistants, baristas, and every worker you meet as a consumer.
Tips was about extra for elegance and nice service. I know living wages are shit, and that’s why it became a norm all over the world. But it is something extra, so the worker can have pleasure, not to get through life.
It’s not extra here. It’s expected unless they do a really bad job. I don’t care how the rest of the world is. This is how it works here. Don’t come to our country and shit on our culture and expect us to thank you. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
For servers in the US specifically it’s not true that it’s something extra, it’s become an expected part of their compensation structure. They have a special, lower minimum wage they’re allowed to be paid. (If tips don’t cover the difference between that and minimum wage, they still have to be paid minimum wage.)
Sorry, on this parenthetical, for non-Americans, can you clarify?
Servers are paid less than minimum wage, but if they don’t get tips enough to cover the delta, they are paid minimum wage?
So does it go to the employer to cover your wage, are tips reported for tax, etc? Are there any repercussions if a server is consistently not tipped? Can they fire you?
It varies by state, some do require servers to be paid minimum wage and don’t have this weird exception. The ones day do allow them to be paid something like $2 an hour instead of $7.25 (I forget the exact numbers). Then if they don’t make enough in tips so their “effective” hourly pay for the day is minimum wage, then the employer had to cover the difference.
Tips are reported as taxable income. I’m sure many servers take cash tips and don’t, but that’s between them and the IRS. Assuming everyone is behaving, yes, tips are taxable income just like “normal” income. (Even income from illegal activities is considered taxable.)
Repercussions for not getting tips? Maybe. I haven’t been a server. I’m sure it can happen, I’m not sure how often it does. As for can they fire you? Yeah, most likely. Every state but one has what’s called “at will employment” which gives workers the “benefit” (lol) of being able to quit whenever, but also let’s employers fire you for any reason (apart from a very small number of things like discrimination).
Basically, say you work one hour. Minimum wage is $7.25. The server minimum is $2. You make $3 in tips. Your employer would need to cover the additional $2.25.
A lot of this is effectively moot since minimum wage has stagnated so far behind inflation. I think a lot of places are already offering above minimum wage for their lowest paid workers, but I’m not sure if that includes servers.
As a past server, it’s incredibly easy to make that threshold. But it’s also based on an average per pay period. If a server has a giant party that tips $30, and nothing else in a 6 hour period, it’s still 2.13 for those 6 hours. And any corporate restaurant hates paying servers. Servers would be fired if they consistently needed pay (not often) or worked overtime (decently often, because then corporations would need to pay $9something an hour)
Only in the short term
Unfortunately, most servers are in the class of workers whose economic activity exists entirely in the short term. Without proper organization and unity in action, short term disruptions could have fatal implications.
They should organize
Nice “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” impression. What’s next, the homeless should just stop being homeless?
You’re right! Organization is impossible, so workers should keep being exploited.
Nah, it’s better to guilt customers into paying your bills, for some reason.
Maybe tip workers shouldn’t have been fighting for tax less tips, and should have fought for a real wage?
I know so many tipped workers who fight to be able to guilt customers into paying their bills instead of just having a real wage. And they’re going to find out that people aren’t going to keep paying more and more guilt money to servers. I remember when 15% was the norm, and now people are saying it’s 20, and fuck that.
All not tipping does in this scenario is make sure the worker gets less take home and the owner still gets their share.
Aint no one cares about rightenouness when it comes to Jake and Emelie behind the counter at McDonalds, so what makes servers special?
Because i highly doubt they’re being tipped
In the United States, servers are paid less than McDonalds employees.
Europeans should educate themselves more if they want to get involved in our broken, shitty systems.
The Resturants are required to pay a minimum wage. UNLESS, the tips they recieve brings them above minimum.
So no. They’re not paid less. At worst. They both make minimum wage. Americans should educate themselves on their own shitty system
Technically correct (over a pay period though) but this is how you get fired as a server.
You’re a pos, though.
Says the one not even tipping his minimum wage fastfood workers, why do you hate them?
Expectations is the main difference. Servers are expected much more than Jake and Emelie. Very few people go to a full service restaurant and are ok receiving the same service they do at McDonald’s. That’s understandable, the price between both is significant but I do think if full service servers were only expected to provide the same level of service and expertise as Jake and Emelie they’d be like, “fuck yeah!” Where are as the opposite wouldn’t be welcome without a raise by Jake and Emelie. I feel it’s important to consider this to further the discussion otherwise we’re no better than current Reddit.
What in the world are you talking about? And what makes you think anything you said is even remotely relevant?
No… people dont go to a resturant and expect McDonalds level of service. They’re also not going to pay McDonald prices nor expect to recieve McDonald food quality (or lack there of).
My expectation of atmosphere, food, and service is directly tied to the advertised price of the food.
Regardless. I’m not paying my garbagetruck driver twice. And they quite frankly performs a much more important service to me than any waiter ever could.
I pay my taxes. And they’re paid from that. Just like i pay for my food, and would expect my waiter/chef/manager to get paid from that.
As of your last note. Please just stop… people make up Lemmy, people make up Reddit, and people are always a bunch of bastards. No one is better than the other.
You would need to pay only the tips for this to work.
Pay the tip in cash, and run out on the bill.
