• Xenny@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance

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      18 hours ago

      well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.

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        18 hours ago

        Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it

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      19 hours ago

      Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.

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        16 hours ago

        He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.

        Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.

        Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.

        Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?

        Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.

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          14 hours ago

          But we do talk about the mess that is the prequels?

          If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?

          As someone who watched both the PT and ST as an adult, the ST was way more interesting and better made than the PT.

          Obviously they both suck compared to the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid LOL.

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            If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?

            A decade? You mean in 3 years? Those kids have started posting on the internet already, and they still don’t give a shit.

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            13 hours ago

            The prequels were bad in a completely different way to the sequels. They’re poorly written and directed, but they recontextualize the originals in a way that makes thematic sense and arguably improves them.

            The original film is a standard Hero’s Journey, and the Original Trilogy as a whole stands alone without any other context. It’s the story of one man’s rise from humble beginnings to becoming the hero who takes down a corrupt Empire and acts as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.

            The Prequels change that, with the six movies now becoming the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, and shows how Luke lacks the flaws of the old Jedi Order while avoiding the traps that ensnared and corrupted his father, giving hope he and his friends can build a better system.

            With the Sequels added, what story does the series tell? That Skywalkers have good intentions but inevitably fuck things up, only to redeem themselves through suicide? That it doesn’t matter if Good triumphs over Evil because the heroes will end up lower than where they started, the status quo maintained, and the villain will pop back up again for the next generation to deal with anyway? They’re a narrative mess and add negative value to the existing saga.

      • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
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        17 hours ago

        It is. In old canon there was the idea that Plagueis and Palpatine trying to create “life” in their quest to cheat death might have been why the Force responded by creating Anakin. There was also a fan theory that Sidious secretly used the Force to impregnate Shmi to create the perfect apprentice, but that was based off an awkwardly drawn comic panel that seemed to give that impression but the writers stated that was not the intention. Currently, Anakin is pure will of the Force. Per Lucas, the intent of the story was what we got in the Prequels and OT- Anakin/Vader’s actions balanced the Force by reducing the two competing sects to nothing, and despite being a “Jedi”, Luke is not a Jedi like the order had been, he’s far more balanced and will be because he’s not dogmatic. The return of Palpatine in Legends (Dark Empire) and Disney both violate Lucas’ original intent.

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          17 hours ago

          Per Lucas

          His answers change from interview to interview, so oddly enough the creator of Star Wars isn’t a reliable source on canon.

          • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
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            17 hours ago

            lol, yeah. He’s got a great imagination, questionable execution, and should never be allowed to write dialogue. I’ve never forgiven him for trying to turn space magic into “actually it’s some symbiotes that live in your blood”. Bruh, space magic was better because whatever the Force is, it’s wildly inconsistent and entirely plot driven. Sometimes you can pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, sometimes you can fly through the vacuum of space, sometimes you can crush a dude’s throat a few light years away, some times you can do all that but you don’t have the high ground and are absolutely fucked. Whatever man, space wizards with laser sword and telekinesis; fuck yeah.

            • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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              16 hours ago

              Not gonna lie, I might be the one person to actually like midichlorians. Though that’s because it was yet another poorly-defined plot element where your imagination could come up with a better explanation than whatever dross Lucas would have turned them into (ugh, look up the Whills - one of his plans for the sequels was basically Fantastic Voyage).

              I spent days thinking up theories to explain midichlorians after The Phantom Menace released, which was probably more enjoyment than I got out of the film itself.

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                16 hours ago

                Midichlorians killed my childhood. Right there in the theatre. Dragged little ‘x’ year old me out of long-term, foundational memory and blastered it right in the back of the head.

            • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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              16 hours ago

              I’m less upset about him selling those rights (after all, four billion dollars is four billion dollars) and more about who he sold them to. Yeah, Disney is one of the few studios with the resources and talent to rival Industrial Light and Magic, but their higher-ups are infamously meddlesome bureaucrats* who chase fads and hammer down anything thought-provoking or controversial so they can release a bland product that sells to everyone.

              Say what you want about Lucas (and believe me, there’s plenty to say about him), at least he somewhat cared about his universe. Disney only cared how much they could exploit it for profit, to the degree that Lucas’s toy and merchandize-driven designs seem quaint in comparison.

              * Autocorrect wanted that to say butchers, which also fits.