• Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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    4 months ago

    Wait is $70,000 a year a low amount of money? That’s an insane amount of money to be considered poor.

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      The average income is around $84,000, so if you are making less, your employer is fucking you over. The difference between your income and $84,000, is what your employer stole from you and called “Profit.”

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      4 months ago

      70k is basically living in the streets in a chunk of America while a few places it’s living like a king.

      But those places are quickly going away.

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    4 months ago

    Ah yes, that famously cheap commodity of food, that has not jumped in price at all.

    I mean good thing bread is cheap and there was no price fixing. I mean someone making $70,000 (above average) a year should not even think of eating more then gruel (not that that is cheap anymore) let alone at a restaurant. Not like the whole system is based on spending money, I am sure a business insider article will fix that though.

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      If you’re a hit man, you should be making more than that. Unless you’re trying to be a working class hitman, righting wrongs for the little guy, like Luigi.

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    I get drive through or take out for lunch every day, but it’s not to waste money. It’s so I have an airtight reason/excuse to get the FUCK out of this place for a period of time every day.

    It’s the one thing keeping me from being on the front page of the local paper.

  • rumba@lemmy.zip
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    I’ve had to go to 100% home cooking, burning most of any recreational family time I have left.

    Just a few years ago, we’d eat out a couple times a week, come home and play board games. Any time we were out for a hot second, we wouldn’t think twice about grabbing dinner.

    Fast food used to have lines to the street, mc donalds was so bad they installed second drive through speakers.

    Not to say there’s not a fuckton of greed driving this, but if subway is seeing 50% decline in patronage, $5->$12 is just a deathspiral heading for the drain.

    I don’t know how this all ever unwinds. Was that our golden age?

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      I don’t know how this all ever unwinds. Was that our golden age?

      Yes, it was. My mother was born in 1939, just before the war. She grew up in the prosperous post-war period, and was married by the end of the fifties, then her and my dad had a great life for the next 60+ years. Jobs were easy to get, prices were low, and we lived on one income until us boys were old enough to be on our own, and my mom got a job out of boredom, and to pay the college bills without a loan. My Dad passed in 2020, a diehard Republican who DESPISED Trump and MAGA, saw right through them instantly, and voted a straight Democratic ticket for the first time in his life, in his last election.

      My Mom also hates Trump and MAGA, and worries about the lives of her grandchildren and great grandchildren on a way that NOBODY did even 10 years ago. I have told her that she is lucky to have lived when she did. It seems to have been the very best time for white, middle class Americans in American history, and the only reason it is going away is because the Sociopathic Oligarchs have deliberately taken it from us because they want it for themselves, and they don’t care how bad it gets for the rest of us.

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    4 months ago

    A combo meal at McDonald’s is almost $20 now… $28 isn’t unreasonable these days.

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    It’s insulting that this guy says 70k like it’s a low salary (for “kids” as he says). I make a quarter of that. I also know a lot more retired old people who never made close to that in their lifetime than ones who did make that much

    And if I did make that much it would still feel insulting because I’m pretty sure most people making 70k can easily afford weekly $28 lunches…

    Edit: Just saw that this motherfucker is wearing two expensive watches on the photo… absolutely repulsive person

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      4 months ago

      Adjusted for inflation the average worker in the 80’s and 90’s made way more than 70k a yr. I made 60k in 2000, that’s $120k today.

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        Yeah the fact that the wages are stagnating is another thing, I’m just saying from where me and most of the people of all ages in my life are standing, 70k is a lot.

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          Depends on the city you live in and your situation. Single in a small town 70k good. Family of 4 in the city and you wouldn’t even qualify for a home loan and are probably in assistance.

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            70k is 3,5k/mo after taxes in my country. Doesnt really matter where you live with that you could be paying 2500 in rent and still be loaded for the month. Look all I’m saying is this O’Leary guy is a fucking prick and most people never see 70k in their lifetime

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              You say “loaded” but you wouldn’t be able to pay for college without debt, wouldn’t be able to buy a house, wouldn’t be able to afford to retire, or save much, couldn’t afford vacations, and couldn’t even afford a new economy car.

              That isn’t loaded, that’s being poor.

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                Well I make 15k and I feel poor. If I made 4-5x that I would no longer feel poor and could comfortably support not just myself but also theoretically my partner and a kid or two if I wanted to.

                But I still agree with everything you’re saying. We’re all getting sucked dry by the system and forced to toil our lives away for asshats like the guy in the Post who happen to own our workplace. The exploitation does not vanish with higher wages. And of course the costs of healthcare and education in the USA are way higher than where I live

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                  This is exactly what is expected to happen. People complaining/arguing but not complaining/arguing about the correct issue.

                  70k by everyone’s standards other than the top 1% is a lot of money, because we have always had to focus on surviving and can make that amount work. Life isnt going to be roses, but it will be life. It really does come down to buying power, but also priority. Back in the 70/80s buying tech (tvs, computers) was insanely expensive. Now you can pick up a 65in for like 200usd. Back in the 90s a new car was under 10k. Now a decent car bought new is 35/40k. Housing…I am not even going to touch it. I bought a 5 bedroom 2400sq ft for 89k in PA in the early 2000s, now that house on zillow is 350k. I only had it a year and I sold it for 85k after closing and everything. Prices for things have flipped for a lot of items that used to be luxury compared to necessity. That’s how we can afford avocado toast because we can only afford eggs/bread/ and a single avocado.

                  I dont want to start a 2nd argument, and I am not confident I am getting my point across. I just feel all that are here arguing should not be arguing amongst ourselves since we are essentially in the same boat amd should be putting our efforts at the real issue.

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      A lot of older folks made more than 70k by a fair margin when you account for buying power and quality of life.

      You have to adjust numbers for more then just inflation if you want a remotely accurate comparison.

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    4 months ago

    kevin o learys, only purpose is to be the human shield for wall street when they do insider trading, or when shit hits the fan.

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    I went to Subway last night. You know, the 5-dollar footlong place.

    A footlong sub was $12 (not the meal - just the sandwich).

    McDonalds is charging 8 dollars for a breakfast muffin.

    My rent has gone from 800 to 2000 since Covid.

    I have to fill my tank 3 times a weeks, and right now that costs 50 bucks.

    On top of that, I have to help my parents out because their pension didn’t account for real-world inflation and their extremely comfy retirement turned out not to be nearly enough when the grocery bill doubled.

    That 73k I make does less than the 30k I made back in 2016.

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      4 months ago

      now imagine you still make 30k and also most of your friends cant get jobs to begin with and still with parents in their mid 20s and also half of them are having mental breakdowns and thats the gen z experience

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        I get it. I am barely past living paycheck-to-paycheck having changed nothing about my lifestyle since I made half as much (using the same same rental, car, laptop, and everything), so making 30k today would be worse than making minimum wage was just a few years ago, when it was already shamefully low.

        I do have a new job that pays way more, but my commute is absolute dogshit because the place I work is SUPER expensive. I work for a city where literally 100% of the households are multi-millionaires, and we have a few 11 and 12-figure residents.

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    It’s because people like him exist that we are poor.

    Him and his generation took everything and talking high and mighty just because they had first dibs on everything before we got a chance to have any kind of decent life.

    Nothing he says should be taken seriously and he should be another example of why the rich need to be removed from existence.