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no immigrant has taken your job
In fairness, the more common modern practice is outsourcing. Send the Capital to the large labor pool, rather than sending labor to existing capital stock.
YES, it is all about regaining the narrative. We need culture, we need community.
The MAGAs are not the enemy, they are the victims of this unscrupulous machinery of brainwashing the Zuck, Murdoch, Musk…
They MAGAs are the weak, the susceptible too influence, and we have to reach to them, break this fabric.
The revolution is in our hands, we ‘just’ need to find the message.
They are the weakest and loneliest among us, hence why they are so susceptible to even the dumbest of narratives. If it weren’t for their hatred I’d feel pity for them. But what you’re suggesting is no small feat, we would be up against literal decades of brainwashing.
Something I’ve noticed is that whenever a maga says their political take, simply asking them for details sends them into a rage, cuz they don’t know any lol. Watch some Isaiah Thomas clips, the man has the patience of god. Maybe there’s something in that we could use?
The more I see of the world, on a macro and micro level, the more I believe that the generational task young people will face is stepping into a dying world, the effects of which they did not cause, and be the ones to deal with every mess the boomers are leaving behind. And the only way they succeed in that, is together. And of course the world is seemingly as divided as ever right now.
What do you think?
I wish I could get on board with this initiative. I used to believe that to be MAGA, you had to be either incredibly cruel, or unfathomably stupid.
As things have developed, I was dismayed to realize: You have to be both.
Ordinary everyday people should not be the enemy but it’s easier said than done when they take that digitally curated world view and verbally / physically abuse other people or join ICE. We really should see them in part as addicts hooked on digital crack but even if we accept that the rehabilitation process is not going to be easy.
How do you break a narrative machine that comes as close to being zapped directly into peoples minds as possible? Without control of the algorithm, it’s going to be increasingly difficult to challenge their divisive narratives. It may have to come to people wanting to get away from social media and that’s also becoming increasingly difficult now that it’s been so heavily and effectively monetized.
Not trying to say there’s no hope but it’s an uphill battle to say the least.
There are only so many unskilled jobs available. What would your wonderful communism do with this? Create worthless jobs and wasted resources of all society on it?
Spoiler alert: It’s a recipe for poverty
There are only so many unskilled jobs available. What would your wonderful communism do with this?
Train people for free and invest heavily in capital growth as it always has? Studying in the USSR in University was completely free, and students often got accommodation and stipends on top of that. By the 1970s, 1 in 10 positions in the economy were vacant, which was a problem in and out of itself, but “not having enough things to do” was NEVER an issue.
What would your wonderful communism do with this?
UBI? Reduced working hours? Better social services? Public works? There’s no such thing as not enough work; only not enough work that benefits the ruling class.
Get skills
Is it safe to presume that you classify certain people as “useless eaters” as well?
You haven’t answered my question. But I guess no answer is an answer too in this case
The actual answer is UBI and job training programs. It lets people survive and gives them the opportunity to learn new skills without worrying about starving to death in this capitalist hellscape.
And also, you know, consumers create jobs by their very existence so the whole idea is economically nonsensical.
If maga could read above a 5th grade level they’d be very upset
This is also why they gleefully shipped all the manufacturing jobs/skills and tech to other countries (mostly China).
They’re unbelievably giddy you think China did something wrong in accepting all this work and then building a country that is lifting more and more of its billion+ people out of poverty.
No, China did what we should have done and should have been doing the whole time; but we did the opposite and you blamed the Chinese instead of the wealthy industrialists who sent the jobs there. You wept and cried over China’s one-party offering no freedom “like we have here” except here they took away our protections, our rights, and gave all the military spending money to defense contractors who designed more and more outrageously complex systems that take forever to build, cost more than a billion dollars each, and then apparently can just be taken out.
We’re not safe anymore, we’re not rich anymore, we’re not asked for help anymore, we’re not smart anymore, we’re not comfortable anymore, we’re all struggling to make ends meet even if we have good income, all the water is dirty, all the roads are failing…but at least we still got football and Jesus right?
Everything is Nazis and gambling now.
Indeed, everything for the shareholders and the MAGA fucknuts still fail to realize how the US job market works.
Why is it always Nazis and gambling? Why can’t it be hookers and blow?
I just saw a video lat night of some Jan 6 dork dressed in full military cosplay, literally saying he was afraid of the 8 year old brown children replacing him 🤦♂️
They are such losers
The landscaping company my HOA contracts with is having trouble finding people to do the work, after, of course, many of their employees were rounded up.
My idiot neighbors are whining about how their yards look like shit, because the landscapers aren’t coming around once a week, like they used to. The same idiot neighbors who urge everyone to “vote red” and are absolutely certain that only “illegal” immigrants are being “deported”.
The premise of MAGA was always that we’d have a permanent impoverished servant class. But the message got distorted as it moved from the middle class liberal PMC to the lower class industrial/service sector serf.
Turns out “Every Home A Castle, Every Man A King” doesn’t play out in practice so well.
Probably thought landscapers were a part of nature. Like landscapers are deer but instead of walking through yards to eat berries they cut hedges into clean shapes
There’s a sketch in Family Guy where Abe Lincoln confronts his neighbor about his un-mowed yard and the neighbor says “yeah, I used to have a guy for that”.
Whose mad? My mad?
Something something litter boxes in schools and your grandkids are coming home with secret forced gender transition surgeries done in one day by underpaid public servants!
This isn’t all that true. For many blue collar jobs, at least.
It’s very hard to be a roofing company and stay in business without using immigrants in many area, for example. No one in the US will work for less money than the immigrants who are mostly sending money back down to Mexico. Everyone wants to pay as low a price that they can for their roof job. Not using immigrants means you have to charge a higher price. That loses you work because you’re constantly underbid. You either use immigrants, or you struggle to keep the business and employees going.
I worked blue collar for quite a few years around new construction homes. I’ve literally watched this go down and making an Office meme doesn’t make it less true. In a perfect world it wouldn’t happen and no one would hire immigrants and pay them less money, but we don’t live in that world, so once a few people start doing it the option often becomes “Do it as well, or go out of business”
You’re not wrong, but what you described is only a problem because even if you don’t abuse paperless immigrants and pay them below minimum wage, your competition will.
The solution isn’t to let everyone do this, it’s to stop everyone from doing it.
I agree. If companies had their license to operate removed for doing it, the problem would solve itself. Be shut down if you get caught.
Counterpoint: Elon Musk is an immigrant and took my wife’s job via his department of bullshi embezzlement.
I still can’t get past my coworker who hates immigrants because (according to her) they’re unvaccinated and spread disease. And she’s also antivax.
Does she not see that contradiction?
Logic just doesn’t work on her. That’s a big part of what makes trumpers … special.
Because like most of them, when someone else does it its lazy/evil/malicious, but when they do it there’s always some justifiable reason.
Just like a right-winger coworker of mine. She won’t stop talking shit about how she couldn’t trust her ex because he cheated on her. Meanwhile she’s cheated on every single bf she’s ever had. And her current husband
Heck, most of them don’t know anything about anything and are just repeating talking points. I had a super conservative coworker go on a rant once which happened to be 100% false. It was so wrong that had they written it down they would most definitely have used the wrong your/you’re.
My coworker immigrated. Got his citizenship, now complains immigrants are the problem. SMH
Sounds like her issue is their otherness, not their medical history.
Racists and xenophobes are capable of believing some really stupid, easily disproven shit.
You should put two pieces of bread on the sides of her face
Like so
If bosses are the ones who give you jobs, then bosses are the ones who take the jobs.
If immigrants are the ones who took your jobs, then bosses were never the ones who gave you jobs.
So either immigrants didn’t take your job, or billionaires don’t create jobs. You can’t have both. God I wish redpills could connect their own dots.
