Win10 is when telemetry was implemented for the first time. You’d better be off with win8.1 with some custom start menu adjustments or straight back to a heaven of Win7.
Or, inhales deeply, just install Linux and do not bother with MS crap cause Linux just works and there is some sort of a distro for pretty much anyone’s taste and preferences that will serve them as good or even better than win10/11/8.1/7.
But with Win8 you don’t get and Updates anymore. With Win10 there’s still the LTSC (IoT) version.
The telemetry all got backported as far as seven and made a mandatory dependency of some security updates, so within a few weeks of 10’s launch, you either had telemetry or a machine that wasn’t safe to connect to the Internet.
I miss Windows XP. Take me back to the rolling green hills.
Linux HDR support is so bad that it makes the entire OS not worth using.
I was using Debian for 4 years but unfortunately I had to stop using it once I stopped being poor because it just cannot run an OLED as its supposed to.
HDR is only supported on AMD cards and has abysmal software integration, even on supported content… Comparatively, it just works on W11, even on titles that don’t support it with HDR because of AutoHDR.
I hope it can be resolved soon, but as of rn unfortunately its not there yet.
I was using Debian
Say no more, fam, I see your problem. Debian is what you run for stability. If you want features, you need a more appropriate distro.
The problem lies in the fact that Linux could easily integrate HDR for everything, but NVIDIA. HDMI and MS are gatekeeping these features.
Linux HDR support is so bad that it makes the entire OS not worth using.
Really weird hill to die on. HDR is nice, but it’s not that nice.
HDR in Wayland using KDE Plasma 6.6 and GNOME 50 is supported on NVIDIA-open-595.58.03 and later.
A lot of specific applications still suck, including Firefox, but HDR is supported on AMD and NVIDIA.
No lag with the right-click context menu
Give it a month of BS software adding itself to the menu. Mine used to take 10 seconds to load if I right clicked on the desktop. Just the run with GPU option took like 1/4 of a second or something absurd. Like WTF nvidia.
https://winaerotweaker.com/ lets you edit context menu entries
It’s not loading (or it’d happen only once), it’s calling back home (windows “anti virus”) to see if it’s secure to add each item to the context menu.
Give me an anemic E8400 and a compiler and I’ll load up your context menu in under 20 milliseconds.
Linux users:
Its okay just plop some snow over the entrance they’ll tire themselves out
I miss Win7
I would take Windows 8 over 11.
I had a bad experience with windows10 at the start. It had one process, I recall scvhost.exe or something that would eat tons of ram and cpu for no particular reason. I rolled back to win8.1 cause of that and skipped 10 pretty much entirely.
Not even sure why people claim win10 is much better than win8.1. Start menu was dog shit, yeah. But how often users actually use start menu besides of shutting down PC. All in all, under the hood windows 10 was not so different from win8.
Windows 7 tho. The best OS, literally.
Windows 7 tho. The best OS, literally.
Best Microsoft OS maybe…
I would take XP over milennium.
win8 is actually very good. just need to replace the start menu thing. they optimized the os to run on crappy atom tablets so it’s actually faster than 7 on low end machines.
At risk of being a cliche: try Linux. It’s really not hard to install.
I’m in awe of how Microsoft somehow manages to make an OS somehow more dogshit than the last one.
People buy it?
While is the basic principle of economics, I was more marveling at their trashcan engineering, finding a new way to shit something so awful each iteration that we miss the last dogwater version
Yes, it’s bundled with laptops.
It’s part of their culture. Windows ME.
Microsoft isn’t the interesting one at this point. I’m more in awe of how the userbase just keeps taking that shit. That’s a propaganda victory.
At some point Microsoft will publish an update that will shoot the user’s dog and they will just share debloating scripts. Linux is free only if your time yadda yadda.
Never left.
Penguin noises intensifies
Full of fish?
Not entirely.
Then let’s fish.
Internet was down at work today, I tried to use the start menu on a coworkers computer to search for an app.
Got a ‘connection timed out’ message instead, and had to scroll through the list like a rube.
Going back to Windows 10 feels like removing ankle weights you forgot you were wearing.
All this can be fixed in Windows 11. One can neuter it to faster-than-Windows 10.
…Thing is, if default Windows 11 is so bad, why spend weeks and weeks learning how to mess with it? For the same mental energy, learn partitioning and install Linux, or W10 like OP.
How would I do this?
Go to Microcenter and buy 3 USB sticks. Make sure one is big enough for backing up all you home / documents directory. Make sure the others are of good size too, 32GB is more than enough.
Go home and make a copy of your home directory onto one of the disks. It will take a while.
Go here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 And follow one of the instructions on making Windows 11 bootable media with your second disk. Test that it works then set it aside.
Go to Ventoy’s website and download it here: https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html Follow the instructions and make the third USB stick a Ventoy disk. Ventoy lets you load multiple ISO files on a single disk.
Go to https://distrowatch.com/ and pick some distros, some operating systems. Download the ISOs and drop them in empty partition on your ventoy disk. Don’t forget you may need to change the boot order in your UEFI/BIOS to boot to it,
Explore and have fun.
I’m not sure how techy @[email protected] is, and Distrowatch can be pretty overwhelming, so here are a couple of recommendations from someone who’s tried a bunch of distros:
- Linux Mint: Very close to Windows 7 in experience, with some modern touch-ups here and there. What I’d recommend for longtime Windows users.
- Elementary OS: Gives off a lot of macOS vibes, and while it’s not very customizable, a ton of care has been put into the experience. Ideal for someone with basic computer needs that wants something that just works. (The website asks you to donate; if you can’t or don’t want to, enter $0 as a custom donation amount to get it for free.)
- Fedora Workstation: Genuinely different experience from Windows and macOS. It reminds me of the experiments in the early '10s in creating a “convergent” interface, but this is stable, functional, and mature. Really shines if you have a touchpad.
Ventoy is probably not the best thing to recommend.
Thank you so much for being educational instead of snarky!
If the OP commenter does stick with Windows for whatever reason, please look into ChrisTitusTech’s WinUtil. This is what I had to do to get my Windows SSD to work the way I want it to.
It never hurts to have an SSD for both if needed! :-]
You can still download Windows 10 directly from Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/software-download/windows10ISO
Why would I do this either?
Windows 7 was the peak.
This is not ‘things were better when you were fifteen.’ I started on Apple fucking II. I remember Windows 95 being new and fancy, and even that 90 MHz 16 MB ass DOS extension of an operating system had better UI and better UX than Windows 10 or 11. 98 was an improvement, NT was a tradeoff, ME was a mistake, XP was a lurching step forward, service packs can burn in hell, Vista doubly so. Windows 7 was the last time the good-bad-good-bad cycle actually worked out. 8 was bad, trying to be a touchscreen OS, and then 8.1 was a band-aid instead of a real fix, and everything since WIndows 10 has been a deliberate disaster. ‘We’re gonna screenshot your desktop every few seconds because–’ Die.
tbh XP or 2K was much better. 7 got rid of accelerated classic theme, so the whole experience was laggy when not using Aero. accelerated aero desktops are cool but there’s a noticeable delay.
I feel like Windows 2000 was peak. Best UI, no spyware, fast… Yeah, it was great
Windows 2000 was peak. XP and 7 were warmed up leftovers in comparison
The whole NT line is crap.
Consumer Windows was just a GUI on top of DOS. NT-based Windows is objectively better than DOS-based Windows. Though both are still equivalent to a pair of brain cells fighting for third place.
NT cleaned up the 2 routes windows was taking and recombined them. If they hadn’t then the consumer windows would have been a lot worse now than it already is. Dave’s Garage/Dave’s Attic, the guy who wrote task manager, explained how the consumer windows was worse than a hot mess until they were brought back into the corporate branch.
This is not ‘things were better when you were fifteen.’
It absolutely is rose-colored glasses, whether you realize it or not. This entire thread is.
I think people were just relieved to have a viable upgrade path from XP that wasn’t Vista.
Of course opening the context menu takes its time. It’s gotta load a whole Electron framework first.
you just need a registry cleaner for that, dump out all the non-stock entries out of the list.
It should cache those until your file extensions get a reg edit, there is no need to build the context menu fresh every time
Ohh no, it’s not that it’s building the menu.
Each one of those extra lines is a hook to a dll.
rightclick potato.jpg
imagemagic: what options should i give for potato.jpg loads image enough of imagemagic to tell antivirus: what options should i give potato.jpg loads enough of antivirus to tell
Now if your apps are small or the context menu for them is will done, it’s hardly a blip But if you installed 27 different apps that want to be in the context menu and they’re all 100mb… that takes some time.
Imagine if this guy took a crack at MX.
What is MX?
Motocross, of course.
MX Linux
Never heard of it
It’s a Debian fork with the option not to use systemd. I’ve been using it for months without a single crash. Everything starts up quick. I like it. Any linux without systemd is worth a shot, if you like fast and stable over familiar.
Why do people insist on using shity OS, is beyond me. Even macOS is far better than Windows nowadays.
They’re used to it
All their apps work
They hate learning new things more than they hate the problems with 11.
I’m 100% linux. Have been for a long time. Your average person can definitely survive Linux on the day-to-day, but the first time they hit a problem needing kernel pinning, they’re gonna have a high chance of switching
My laptop is still rocking Win10, and the moment they force it to update to Win11 against my wishes is the moment I jump to Linux, ready or otherwise.
But I know for a fact that Im not as patient with technology as Id like to be, and while I try to learn what I can and prepare myself for that leap, the only reason I haven’t just lept yet is because I still find the amount of information I need to know (or think I need to know) overwhelming.
IMO: run a vm for now.
Getting experienced enough to run a vm is a small project. Very digestible.
The installs are REALLY easy-going these days. Run Debian, Mint, or Cachy or something equally easy going.
Get your browsers setup how you like them, get your mail working, If you run out of space or get tired of it, just delete it.
Slow experience over a long time will really make it easier then waiting until you have to learn it.
I was in a similar position to you and honestly there’s very little to it. It’s probably technically best to start with something really easy like Mint, but you can pretty much choose one at random and as long as you use the KDE desktop environment it’ll mostly look and act like windows. You should be prepared to try out a few different distros depending on your needs and/or preferences, but everything is so streamlined that you only need a little bit of computer knowledge to switch.
Part of what I’d been struggling with is I’d gotten into game emulation as well as building up a library via Steam and GoG, and wasn’t 100% sure how using Linux might make using what I’m used to harder to use.
So what have I done so far to combat this? I’ve been putting my emulators on consoles.
I started with a 60$ Wii, and an SD card from a digital camera I hadn’t used since college (almost 10 years ago). After learning to set up a Wii/GameCube machine with some retro Nintendo emulators, I moved onto hShop for my wife and I’s 3DS’. Most recently, I learned how to put custom firmware on my old PS3 slim (thank god the manufacturer date was just right, else I’d be using Ps3hen)
So, I suppose since I’m not nearly as worried about emulation, Steam seems to be more compatible with Linux by the day, and I suppose I did teach myself about emulation on console, maybe I’m closer to jumping than I think
Oh, you’ll find it easy then, Linux is a walk in the park next to console firmware. Steam pretty much takes care of itself, and GOG is a little more complex but is largely handled by Heroic Games Launcher. Do check ProtonDB with regards to your favourites - generally it’s only online games with kernel level anticheat that won’t work at all with Linux, but there are a handful of others that aren’t working yet - but personally I haven’t had to do anything more than change the proton version in the steam settings to get a game working. Well, except Helldivers 2, but I’m pretty sure that’s a cursed tangle of code that crashes on all operating systems.
Because Windows is still the universial standard and MacOS requires purchasing new hardware
Also, people do not know what an OS is, let alone how to change it.
Most people understand that their OS is what comes preinstalled with their computer and thats it, they dont think about it and generally if asked would answer “of course its preinstalled”
Which is a reason to switch.
A closed source OS, as universal as windows, shouldn’t be legal.
Switch now!
I think you mean switch to Linux. Because macOS is one step even more closed than Windows.
At least you can install Windows on other systems.
You can install macOS on other systems too. It’s garbage and Apple really don’t want you to do it, but it’s possible if you hate stability.
My coworker complains about Windows daily, I’m like " there are alternatives dude.". But he’s adamant that windows is better. Some people like being abused I guess.
Because it doesn’t matter if 95% of the software you use works fine on Linux or Mac if you need that last 5% tondo your work.
Windows 3.11 or bust.
You can pry my Workgroups from my cold, dead, hands.
