That’s what I love about Japan, so much variety. >_>
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Choose your Waifu
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Half of this comment section Is hating on anime for no reason and the other half is people just going yeah why are they so similar lol
But those are the same picture…
Yep, I’m afraid Gladaed is right; definitely different pictures. When she posed for the sketches, she did something different with her arms each time. She sometimes changed her expression too. Oh, and one day she wore a shorter shirt.
They all seem to be suffering from the same rather pronounced internal hip rotation.
Yes, what we rudely used to call knock-kneed
No. They are very much not. All are rather fit though.
Thry’re like 3% different.
I feel like they are actually different body types as opposed to weight differences. That being said they are still narrow. But that’s not my point.
If by “fit” you mean slim. None of these women look like they work out
Good job, Creed. Corporate has a new assignment for you, though.
Oh really? Have you ever seen a person in the shape of a rhomboid?
Eiichiro Oda: “hold my sake”
Your mother was a rhomboid
And your father smelt of irregular polyhedrons
MY mother was a rhomboid, you insensitive clod
thought the title said booty types, I am slightly disappointed (in myself)
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It’s definitely a body type. Just not necessarily a healthy body type.
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When we’re talking about the form of a character that we can see, then I feel like the most relevant sense of “body type” is one that includes the whole picture of both the underlying bone structure/musculature, and how fat is distributed on the body.
Linking things back to the original image, I personally find it absurd that even the body type described as “full figured” still has a thigh gap. Even people who are slender rarely have a thigh gap, so this depiction is ridiculous. I would interpret “full figured” as describing someone who is on the larger side of the healthy range (or is a bit overweight) but is not obese, so this image is silly even without getting into discussions about whether obesity constitutes a body type (though I would argue it does, for the purpose of a drawing guide that is showing the difference between how different body types are drawn. A better drawing guide might even have included references for characters who are overweight and/or obese — after all, obese people are people who exist in the world, and thus I would expect them to appear in fiction also.
When you’re more fat than body, can you really call it a body type?
None of the girls depicted could possibly have over 25% body fat percent. A healthy percentage for a woman is 25%-35% or about, sometimes higher depending on body type.
What you think is bad is healthy if you think anything “fatter” than depicted is bad. Check your unhealthy expectations and get them away from women.
First and foremost, you may have read my comment but you didn’t comprehend my comment. If someone has 25% body fat they, by definition, have more body than fat.
You don’t even understand the bodies you’re trying to shame… failure of the worst kind.
Some body types aren’t actually body types 🤷♂️
None of them are obese though.
That’s the point.
I think this would be incrementally less ridiculous if they hadn’t, presumably, scaled the images causing them all to be the same size/height on the page.
Just take those exact characters, give them different hair colors, match the personality to the hair color, boom you got a slice of life show that has a strong first season but then fades in quality and takes a weird turn in season 2+3 before a mediocre season 4 that fans try to justify but everyone really hates.
those hair colors, is this a DV-i reference or something
edit: the personalities match as well wtf
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I really wish there was more evolution in anime. I used to like it a lot but I’ve grown to really dislike the art style because it’s so homogenous. I’m sure I’m missing out on great stories but I’m so damn bored of cookie cutter kawaii characters
I know that’s not every anime so no need to reply with the exceptions to the rule. The two most popular styles are “generic anime” (this) and “chibi anime” (creepy/gross)
Afaik the manga art style evolved in the first place because it’s very economic, particularly with facial expressions, and allows pumping out thick volumes of comics every week.
If you’re looking for more unique styles of anime, try out jojo’s bizarre adventure or dorohedoro. Both have quite a unique drawing style (for anime) and world building
Mahou shoujo Madoka magika is one fantastic story. And only 12 episodes or 2 movies (they are the same, just less OP/EDs).
I googled it and visually it looks like…everything else
Go in blind, push through the first movie. It is worth it.
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It’s 4 hours total, so you could not pick worse time to write all that.
The entire show is very purposeful, and it reveals the meanings slowly. That’s why you need to push through the first hour.
I almost gave up, many of my friends gave up, but those who gave it a serious try, were rewarded.
I went from ‘wtf is this shit’ to my absolute most favourite piece of media ever.
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Yeah but that’s what I’m saying, I dislike the generic aesthetic enough that it takes away most of the enjoyment. If I was neutral on that it’d be no big deal, but the story is only part of visual media
Yeah, also, it’s my favourite anime ever.
Well it’s kinda half meant to, it’s a magical girl genre subversion
There is a third original movie and they are making a 4th original. They’re was also a size anime loosely based on the mobile game.
Don’t forget to give the eyes 10x the surface area of what’s biologically possible
In a lot of Asia, youth is seen as attractive
Human eyeballs are generally all the same size, regardless of skull or body size.
Youth = small
Big eyes and small everything else therefore means cute
Art often exaggerates or interprets
Anime is art
Anime is also not a new medium at all in Japanese, and now global culture, and has had a lot of time to evolve
I’m not defending it, just explaining it, in case people don’t understand, because this is a long-standing and very common complaint/criticism
Additionally, asia has the focus more on the eyes, why westerners more on the mouth. Is what they say.
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But we could have like, a whole anime done in the style of Ukiyo-E, for characters design style motifs, for facial and body proportions…
You could mock up a 3D model and cel shade these to work out how they’d work from different angles.
This is certainly an exaggerated interpretation of reality.
It is also certainly Japanese.
These were also largely seen as depictions of beautiful, desirable people.
Here, this one’s from 1932,
The eyes are getting bigger, but noses still exist, the facial proportions are actually pretty close to realistic, if not just completely realistic, unlike in the modern standard anime style.
I dunno, I guess the modern standard anime style is just much much more neotenous (oversized heads, relatively oversized eyes, relatively undersized/unemphaszed noses) because it is meant to appeal primarily to small children, who are themselves neotenous?
Whereas the consumer base for Ukiyo-E would have been primarily adults?
But we could have like, a whole anime done in the style of Ukiyo-E, for characters design style motifs, for facial and body proportions…
What you’re forgetting is that anime (and art in general) is typically not done to please the critics, but to please the fans.
I’m a fan. I am displeased by stylistic homogenization.
Like, I get that this is, on some level or to whatever extent, a … marketing to whichever demographic kind of problem or process.
Either I am in the minority of fans, or, they’re targetting market demos inefficiently.
… it would be very difficult to say which of those is closer to ‘true’, with anything approaching objectivity, unless people were literally polled/surveyed on this.
But, the other element here is that just is what capitalism does to art. It smushes everything down into generic, familiar, safe, with as much broad appeal as possible.
Because its churning this stuff out on an assembly line, anime is a mass market product, like spam or canned soup or plastic plates.
I simpler terms, broader appeal means less complexity.
If you want more people to “get” a piece of music, by definition it must be less complex.
For example a current pop song will be more approachable by more people than Miles Davis’ “Kind of Blue”, simply because everyone can get the former, but only some people can grok Miles’ music (and those people also get the pop stuff, even if they don’t listen to it much, or if the listen to it a lot).
It’s not a free market thing, it’s simply the old distribution curve applied to art. Marketing just utilizes the nature of people.
I “get” Miles stuff much more than the average person, but when it comes to visual arts I know fuck all, so only the most fundamental stuff has any appeal to me.
I’m essentially the same in visual arts as someone who only listens to pop music.
Manga’s and therefore anime’s art style evolved to be drawn quickly and cheaply. A ukiyo-e anime would be expensive as hell.
Well, if you did the exact same production process, yes, but as I posited, you could just 3d render the whole thing, or speed up production with basically 3d blocked out scenes and then basically do rotoscoping off of that, to add more flair or details where its worth it.
Its… not like cel shaded video games have not been a thing for a while, its not like 3d rendered animes have not been a thing for a while.
I’m vaguely sure the face expressions would still require a lot of redrawing, for which the manga style is particularly optimized. Plus, the detailed clothing would require plenty of animation of its own.
Basically, if it were feasible, someone would probably have already made it.
Basically, if it were feasible, someone would probably have already made it.
The Tale of the Princess Kaguya by Isao Takahata. The most expensive Japanese film ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Princess_Kaguya_(film)
I don’t know why but your link doesn’t work for me
Well, I’d say you’d be surprised by what you can pull off with a sufficiently solid and detailed facerig or set or blendshapes, just in Blender, which is free to use.
You do have a good point with clothes, thats more complex, but uh, again even in Blender, detailed clothes physics are entirely possible, and its also not too hard to make custom clothes rapidly.
You can do that with VROID + Blender pretty darn fast, and you can throw whatever base model you want into VROID for it to be a sort of digital tailor for, and then export it to Blender.
VROID’s tool for this is also free.
Beyond that, there are other freely available plugins for Blender that do or enable the same kind of rapid design and fitting of physics enabled clothes.
Then you just animate skeletons, generate your frames to potentially rotoscope or what not.
Basically, I am saying the tools for this do already exist, and many of them actually are already used in 3D anime, just… to my knowledge, not yet with anything resembling Ukiyo-E.
I’m 100% sure many studios have their own proprietary software and toolsets and pipelines for this.
Btw: Ghibli’s ‘The Tale of the Princess Kaguya’ is perhaps the closest to that genre, though of course it’s comparatively simplistic and also has Ghibli’s trademark style.
One of the earliest “modern” manga artists got influenced by the large eyes of disney and other western comics and shows
And others adapted itAh, thats a very good point!
And the stylistic intermingling has certainly gone both ways a bit, and then more recently, quite a lot.
Now we have like, basically hyperrealism done on anime proportions, the kind of AI autogen art style, that I would basically call ‘uncanny valley with high production value.’
because it is meant to appeal primarily to small children
That notion is Disneys fault. East-asians usually see comic juat as a distinct art type, for grown-ups too.
That’s the rule for anime boobs
Oh gosh, my bad. I totally forgot that I need to post a transcript of my Art History coursework before making this kind of joke on Lemmy.
Upsetting.
Aliita, Battle Angel.
“Biologically possible”, I mean, quite a few animals have eyes taking up a ton of their headspace. Owls for starters.
… Unless you are planning on hybridizing an owl and a human, in pursuit of growing your own GMO Waifu…
I think we can safely assume the scope of the context is ‘a human being’.
The word was, “biology”, not, “human biology”.
Jokes on you, artist “GeGeGek” nearly perfected that already.
Well shit.
… ahem.
Ain’t that a hoot.
Hahahahaha, take my upvote!
You’re not?
No, unfortunately I lack the requisite knowledge expertise and mad scientist lair level of funding, and I also possess a moral compass.
I wonder which of those issues is the biggest obstacle.
For me, the last one.
You coukd give me the other two and I’d rather try to cure cancer or something like that.
Of course, I guessed that. As with many lemmings, I assumed you had a strong moral compass - respect!
It would have been funnier if you had answered one of the others, though.
Having worked with vendors in the print industry, I’m wondering if at least some of this is a scaling issue in the edit. Because the “tall and thin” type is exactly the same height as the rest.
Maybe there was a version that was more distinct, and a layout guy standardized them without seeing or reading the copy.
Maybe that’s too much benefit of the doubt.
At that point, the layout person is either a dumbass or doesn’t read English.
Or maybe can’t even see the copy. They may be looking at lorem ipsum.
I never noticed before that all girls are knock-kneed.
It’s somehow preferred in Japan.
I think, they miscounted. It’s actually 4 billion body types, not just 4.
Why are they all pigeon-toed?
When I lived in Japan, about 30 years ago, it seemed to be a trend among young women to stand and walk pigeon-toed. It seems likely that manga took their cue from what was popular.
At one point, it was considered cute/attractive. I don’t know if it still is IRL (I don’t notice it when out and about, but I also don’t pay much attention to anyone’s legs or feet), but it definitely has stuck around in drawn media.
Why are they all pigeon-toed?
You accidentally double posted, but yes, that is uh… odd.
Bent in knees are cutesy as a pose, but as a fundamental skeletal attribute, they’re … kinda problematic.
Ah whoops!
Just helping you from tripping over yourself.
=P
