Tell me there are no women in your life without saying there are no women in your life.
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Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
Hell yeah. I love the way Trek makes people like this piss and squeal and moan.
Allowing this to stay up but not linking to it seems wrong. I don’t know anything about this site other than the headline but if you disagree that strongly, which seems to be the right reaction, you should ban the headlines too.
Noted?
Oh, you’re that type of person. Ok, noted.
don’t like it, then leave, I guess?
that’s what a normal person would do.
Thankfully I’m not normal so I added a message to explain to others who are out of the loop wtf is happening, something op should have done but failed to do
https://vger.to/lemmy.myserv.one/comment/16646604
Oh look, you already responded to it.
More republicans making lists. Noted.
Check again
Yeah! Let’s pretend nothing bad exists, just live in our bubble where everything is fine and dandy.
What an incredibly stupid take by these jeenyuses.
Then again there’s precedence with a moron from Fox ‘News’ who prefers Trek to Wars since it’s ‘not woke’.
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As someone who has gone to conventions this is laughably false.
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.
Pretty sure the fujoshis own Trek actually.
Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been
*checks notes
Republicans?
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to
bigotsconservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir./s
@owenfromcanada These people have invested their entire identities in being miserable. Which ironic because ST is largely optimistic about the future.
I was only 14 when I put on my big boy pants and learned from the Bell Riots that socialism was bad and I will forever ignore the factors that create such mass unemployment.
Can’t tell if serious or sarcasm
So…Republicans are fans of space communism?
Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).
The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.
it promotes the values of meritocracy,
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None of these are commonly held by people in the American left
Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!
The right loves meritocracy. To them it means everyone got what they deserve, from the homeless to the billionaires.
Oh, is that why they kept ethnic minorities out of positions of power and established structures of “not what you know, but who you know” and established “legacy admissions” for the children of huge donors?
No, that’s because they’re racist. They can have different motivations to do what they do.
they have “legacy admissions” for inbred, stupid children of rich donors because they are racist and not because their father donated the “Libertarian Friedman” wing of the campus?
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
“What do you think is the machine they are raging against? The fucking printer?”
Yeah, I’m rollin’ down Rodeo with some toner
These people ain’t seen a color print since their grandparents inkjet
TBF, I do really hate my printer.
But what about… 35 pieces of flair?
My absolute favorite bit of social media was this instagram exchange. It just encapsulates so much that’s inherently stupid with it.
Mine was when, i don’t remember, speaker of the house ®?, said his favorite band was rage against the machine.
Like dude, those guys hate you.
As I recall the exchange, Paul Ryan said at one point that RATM was one of his favorite bands. Morello was asked about it in an interview, and said something to the effect of “He can like what he wants, but he’s part of the machine we’re raging against”
Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
@Archangel1313 Noooo, true ST is about straight manly men kicking alien butts!
As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.
Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.
The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.
The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.
It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.
Tell me you know nothing about Star Trek without telling me.
ST broke so many cultural barriers, nothing else in its time period even comes close. Other than that they wore uniforms almost nothing is militaristic. It was a science vessel not a warship. Money and capitalism were virtually non-existent and when they did show up, they were ridiculed. I could go on, but you should learn for yourself.
You may need to cool off and re read the entire message
Part of the reason the show works is that we never really see Federation life outside of Starfleet. Mostly this is for practical budget reasons; what does a post-scarcity egalitarian society actually look like? That’s difficult to depict in a show designed to recycle the same set every episode and only very occasionally go outside to film.
So what little we see of the civilian federation looks… a lot like the US. There’s a president. Member
statesplanets. Constant references to US history. A military that operates how Americans like to think their military works, rather than what it actually historically has done.Newer shows take this even further. Section 31, as it was first introduced, was supposed to be a highly illegal, unsanctioned conspiracy acting in the shadow of the proper Federation. Now they’re presented as the ultra official, coolest badasses who are the only reason any of the egalitarian principals are able to survive.
I agree with all you said, I just can’t believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.
But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don’t agree with.
They probably saw it all and said “yeah, even in the future we’ll never be rid of the libs but see it all works out because all these other things are still true”
Lead hits hard.
Because Republicans are dumb illiterate inbred morons. Like how they didn’t get that Colbert Report was satire and they thought Colbert was a conservative. Or that they thought that South Park was Republican humor because of Cartman. Even though Cartman is obviously just a vehicle to portray how fucked up RepubliKKKans are.
I would even say that right-wing people have almost the same moral values as left-wing people, just not for the out-groups. So within the crew, there is no big difference.
Hospitality for strangers is also part of conservative’s values, so in passing contact, aliens are treated alike.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life.
Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.
Yeah conveniently the photo they chose left uhura out…
Probably just a coincidence
About that picture… Is that chief O’Brien?
Yeah, they nabbed a screenshot from one of the best episodes of DS9
DO NOT look up screenshots of Terry Farrell in Trials and Tribble-ations if you are not prepared to immediately fall in love with her again
That’s the first thing I wondered
Yes, it’s from Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
The trouble with these Tribbles, they’re fuzzy and they’re cute but I can never find the hole.
I mean what?
Wow lol
I should probably give DS9 another try
definitely. I also had a hard time starting it, but it gets really really good after the first couple episodes
Especially when the first season episodes open up with a story arc involving nationalism, immigration and xenophobia.
It’s great when it was on TV. I thought Sisko was a great, friendly, fatherly figure, and Odo and Quark were great fun.
After having seen some eps with my wife, and reading stuff on the wiki, fucking hell. Sisko is basically Douglas MacArthur, and takes picard’s “first duty of every starfleet officer is to the truth” speech and sees it as a personal challenge to defy it as hard has he can, while screaming “You betrayed your uniform!” to any maquis he sees.
Which, to be fair, the maquis are not in the right, but fucking whatever.
The charector arcs in the show are complex, especially for the early 90s. Sisko is largely an honorable man, but the nature of the roles he assumes strain him, force him in difficult directions.
The marquies in a lot of ways are personal to him. A dear friend defects to them early, and then he gets rolled later by others he trusts. He basically has direct bad blood with them.
Some of the other choices he makes? Fucked up, but to the shows credit, they lean into it and dont pretend hes the good guy when they happen.
Yes you should.
Yes. The character arcs are the best thus far. It’s less “police procedural” than the prior two. And Sisko is the best Captain.
It’s funny, i just watched this episode for the first time!
Yes. That’s from Deep Space Nine. S5E6 Trials and Tribbleations. A neat mashup that puts the DS9 crew into the original tribbles episode.
It’s from DS9’s Trials and Tribble-ations
Here’s Making of Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
Don’t skip the commercials.
@PhilipTheBucket They get such a shallow understanding of things, and then get all butt hurt when other people provide a much more logical interpretation based on the specifically stated intents of the original show creators.
I don’t know a single conservative that likes Trek.
I do, they just think it’s an unrealistic world, not a bad one. Something that could never happen here.
What i know is this… gay aliens are acceptable, guy humans are not. Thats it in a nutshell, but it does get very complicated. Two simbiot women human kissing? Its ok because they are technically alien, but also ok because they are women, not men.
That brings me to the new gay doctor. It isnt commentary on weird alien sexual stuff, no, it comes off as a political statement. It doesn’t add to any space/alien stuff, rather it feels like an agenda being pushed… im not trying to offend anyone. My personal opinion? It feels like it wants to push a narrative, im not into the star trek hardly at all anymore.
TOS, TNG, voyager and like half of DS9 is how I like star wars. The new crap is only that, crap… imo…
If you want to push the straight agenda, you have Hallmark movies.
Gay humans exist today, they existed throughout history, and they will continue to exist for as long as humans do.
Do you consider Uhura being a bridge officer to be “pushing a narrative”? Because that was a political statement in much the same way that gay characters in Star Trek are (arguably more so).
It sucks to be a person whose very existence is political in this world that we live in now. Sci-Fi that includes those people is a way of saying "hey, wouldn’t it be nice if people could live their lives without their existence being the battleground for political ideology.
I’m begging you all, please report stuff that breaks the community rules and/or TOS - no one needs to put up with that nonsense.
No idea what the comment said, but yes, modern star trek does push a narrative… selectively. Like, at the start of Disco, they got it perfect. Gay engineer, gay doctor. No big focus, no “OMG, YOURE GAY???”. They were just there. Doing their jobs. It was, for lack of a better word, normal.
Fast forward a couple of years, and that way of doing things goes out the window. Inserting a non binary character and trans character. Why? Dont know. Because by this time, sex reassignment surgery is not a big deal. It can be done in an afternoon, and youre out the door with no down time. We saw this with Quark in DS9. As for the non binary character, it wouldnt be an issue except for the fact of how they focused on it. They have this scene where they demand to be referred to as “they” and then Stamets beams with pride at the person standing up for themselves. But again, this is Star trek. Non binary is nothing new to humans in this time period. The exchange should have been no different than correcting someone with Dr if someone calls you Mr.
And this is the problem with modern Star Trek. Star Trek in the 60s and 90s showed us a hopeful vision of who we could be. NuTrek shows us who we are. And we already have plenty of other TV shows for that.
