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Weak doesn’t always mean morally good. Using children in military is against Geneva convention.
resistance to occupation is a basic human right,
What does the Geneva convention say about bombing children
It is also against geneva convention. “1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.”
I think it was ironic
Zionist fascist detected: opinion ignored. It is an indictment against .world that people like you aren’t instantly permabanned
Where I said I am fascist?
Where you spend your time on the internet making apologia for the fascist genocidal colonialist ethnostate.
I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.
So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.
Actually a lot of people DO change their minds when they are yelled at. Sometimes it’s the only approach that works, because often they’ve already been gently explained to.
I don’t care about the feelings of fashies, I call them out as fascists in hopes that the admins permaban them. I don’t attempt to change their small minds, I attempt to create a safer space in this social network.
Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.
Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.
Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.
I’m sorry it’s not clear enough to you that someone advocating for mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children is a fascism apologist. I’m not here to “debate Nazis and own them epically”, I’m here to call out Nazism and mods should be here to enforce anti-nazi bans.
It’s not my fault that this person is a Nazi, it’s your fault that these people are allowed at all in the mainstream. “You made me support the genocide of Palestinians by calling me a bad word!!!”
There are people who don’t deserve to be won over. You wouldn’t waste your time arguing with a pedophile about the merits of raping kids would you?
“Fascist genocidal colonialist enthostate” you described Palestine. You probably angry rn so to little calm down you I say I am against Ben Gvir. But this will be controversial - Someone should evacuate infants and toddlers from Gaza to avoid their dies. No one will agree. Hamas want to human shields and new recruits. IDF don’t care about babies.
You don’t understand the meaning of the words “fascist”, “genocidal”, “colonial” or “ethnostate”, so you should refrain from ridiculing yourself.
Relocation would be better than starving or bombing. The problem is also where relocate. Israel and arabic states are unsafe. Even Lebanon is unsafe cause of Hesbollah. So imo the best place to relocate them is Europe.
criminal comes with guns to your home, murders half your family and occupies 3/4 of it: “you should just relocate, bro, it will be much safer”
Wow are you advocating for mass kidnapping you fucking weirdo?
That’s what Russia’s doing in Ukraine
lol, what did I just read.
The part where you justify genocide because they “use child soldiers”
77 years of being attacked from all sides. What would be your limit? It seems like every time Israel gets fed up with the attacks, the wars. the rockets, and the guerilla attacks. They lose their shit and start to push Gaza into the sea. Then America or NATO step in and persuade them to compose themselves and stop. Every time Israel is attacked they fight back and gain more land. I ran out of any compassion for the people among the aggressors in the 90’s. It seems like they would have done something about it by now rather than being complicit.
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good. Hamas could do the Nobel thing and fuck off, but they’ve spent decades using the people of Gaza as their shields while Iran and the other surrounding counties use Hamas as a tool to strike at Israel. I’ve stopped caring. This is going to end. One way or another. I say let Israel end the war. They seem to be really good at it after all these years of practice.
you mean 77 years of your neighbours being upset at you for constant warcrimes and a genocide?
yhea, that’s a you problem
77 years of being attacked from all sides.
Because they’re been committing all manners of atrocities against Palestinians for more than 77 years. Name one war Israel fought in which they were unfairly attacked. If there are many, pick the most egregious example.
It seems like they would have done something about it by now rather than being complicit.
Every time Israel is attacked they fight back and gain more land.
You mean every time Israel finds an excuse to attack they get more land? Yes, that’s how colonization worke,
Complicit in… what? Resistance? Trying to gain the human rights they’ve been denied for generations? What the heck do you want them to do instead?
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good.
Cue, the West Bank.
PS: I didn’t comment on all the misinformation because it doesn’t excuse what you’re saying even if it was true. Oh, and also: Reported for genocide apologia.
Guess what. Israel exists. Before they owned the land someone else did. And someone else did before that. And on, and on, back to the Palaeolithic era. You and I arguing in some obscure corner of the internet no one will ever see isn’t going to bring about world peace. Israel fought to exist, and they’ve succeeded at it. The aggressors who keep attacking them after they have been told to stop… they may not exist much longer. They sent paragliders into Israel and killed people two years ago. You saying what is happening today is an atrocity and me saying is self defense isn’t going to change a damn thing. All we are doing is rightly stating our opinions on the situation. None of them are likely the true facts. The fact is that victor is going to write the history. I’m saying it’s going to be Israel.
The land was bought to the British and the brits stole it in the first place idiot
“BuT tHeY aRe CoLoNiZeRs AnD iSrAeL sHoUlDn’T eXiSt!”
Cool. So every country is gonna give back their land to the indigenous peoples they took it from, right? Right?!
We can start with America and work our way down the list from there.
Someday people will figure out that all of this, all of it, everything we have, is built with the blood of innocents. And we only have three options now: start repairing these relationships through kindness, grace, and good works; watch one side wipe out the other; or fuel the ongoing violence in perpetuity.
That’s all we have left and I personally prefer the first option but so, so many people opt for 2 or 3 that it makes me numb.
BuT tHeY aRe CoLoNiZeRs AnD iSrAeL sHoUlDn’T eXiSt
Cool. So every country is gonna give back their land to the indigenous peoples they took it from, right? Right?!
First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back. Second: Israeli oppression isn’t limited to the past; it’s an omnipresent facet of Palestinian life even when there’s no full-blown genocide going on. Israel shouldn’t exist because it’s presently a colonizer state actively doing colonization. What kindness do you want the West Bank to offer Israel? Tell me in detail what you’re proposing here.
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I know. I’m in favor, to the degree that it’s possible and non-punitive. But until we’re prepared to do it at home we cannot be demanding it abroad
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I fully concur that Israel is an oppressive state and deserves sanctions. Even more so now. Netenyahu is a criminal and so is most of his cabinet. I won’t equivocate on that. The hasidics especially are despicable. I just know there are a whole lot of reasonable people living in Israel who ought not lose their nationality at this stage
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first of all I never said which had to come from where or when. But if you want to be serious, them I expect kindness in the form of ousting Hamas. That’s it. Get rid of the people whose charter is the destruction of the Jewish state in favor of their own.
Edit: call it performative, but you were at 0 votes on your reply and I’m using my vote to put you at +1 because you are engaging in genuine dialogue, so far
lose their nationality
I cannot imagine anything more trivial than that.
But until we’re prepared to do it at home we cannot be demanding it abroad
Why…? It’s possible (and, in fact, imperative) to confront justice at home and abroad.
I just know there are a whole lot of reasonable people living in Israel who ought not lose their nationality at this stage
I mean, I don’t think they’ll be especially hurt if the citizenship portion of their passport changes from “Israel” to “Palestine” or “Israel but without Apartheid.” “Kick them all out” isn’t a common proposal at all in serious policy discussions; hell it’s not even what Hamas is pushing for.
But if you want to be serious, them I expect kindness in the form of ousting Hamas.
Hamas doesn’t have a significant presence in the West Bank, which is why I specified it: There’s (essentially) no Hamas in the West Bank, but they’re still being driven from their lands day by day. It’s a perfect natural experiment on what you can expect without Hamas (and without armed resistance, more broadly), and the results aren’t what you proposed.
Get rid of the people whose charter is the destruction of the Jewish state in favor of their own.
As of at least 2017, that is not necessarily the case, but also: Why is it wrong to attempt to depose the state whose central motivation and ideological basis is oppressing and ethnically cleansing them? If deposing Hamas was a realistic solution to anything, there would’ve been some progress towards peace in the West Bank rather than ever-escalating ethnic cleansing. The reason Hamas isn’t being deposed is that there’s no reason for a Palestinian (or, frankly, anyone else) to believe their liberation will come without armed struggle. Israel has been shown kindness repeatedly in the past but completely failed to reciprocate it.
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We can start with America and work our way down the list from there.
I wish. And while we’re at it, tell the British Museum to return the stuff they stole.
The only way there will ever be peace in Palestine is when Israel is abolished. Israel could do the human thing and fuck off, instead they commit systemic acts of terror, rape, and murder of innocent children, women, and men.
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good.
The people of Gaza, even those who have turned to violence and extremism, are native to that land. The majority of Israelis are not. So the fairer solution for the conflict would be for the settlers to go back wherever they’re from, and leave the locals alone.
You mean 77 years after the displacement of 713 000 Palestinians in 1948 and the Israeli operation codenamed “cast thy bread” in which the main objective was to poison all wells in Palestine to ensure there’s nothing to return to and secure the much needed land expansion. Or did you mean October 1956? Oh wait, no… Israel was the aggressor there. More land. And like any typical abuser, they’ll take on the role of the victim whenever anyone calls them out on their shitty behaviour.
Downvote me to oblivion but this is DIP
A more equitable picture would show the sister of the guy in the tank being brutally r-ped
Oh there is no evidence of Palestinian systematic rape so maybe stop with your hasbara.
Repeating falsehoods to justify genocide makes you a participant.
“The sister of the guy in the tank gets 1,000,000 dollars in American taxpayer money to write slurs into bombardment shells”
There; I fixed it for you!
False equivalency much?
A woman being raped is a horrible crime, so I guess that justifies murdering and maiming hundreds of thousands of women and children because it happened?
Dip?
Also, you’re allowed to say the word you censored. The way you censored it doesn’t spare anyone from the experience of reading and understanding it. It’s exclusively to get around filters, which the threadiverse largely lacks. If you want to be sensitive to the needs of others, just pull it under a spoiler. If someone chooses to open the spoiler, that was on them.
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rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape rape you chose to read this
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Dip?
Deceptive imagery persuasion.
That has nothing the do with the genocide. If we’re comparing all crimes past and present Israeli vastly wins in the sexual assault section, and if we’re comparing only ongoing crimes then there’s no such thing on the Palestinian side. Which is it?
Ah yes, because naturally all Palestinians are rapists and avid supporters of Hamas, including the 50 000 children who have been killed in Palestine since the start of the current war. No member of the honourable and valiant IDF would ever rape anyone or in any other way mistreat any human being. In fact, rape does not exist in Israel. It is a nation incapable of doing anything remotely evil or immoral.
In palestine, children are born with a “i voted hamas” sticker in their hand, it’s true i heard it on fox
The vaginal canal is a hamas tunnel.
There is no excuse for the sexual assaults Hamas performed on Oct 7
There is a long history of Israeli sexual assaults on Palestinian detainees
Thus, as long as we’re going for metaphors, this falls under the same umbrella as “Sugar rockets aimed indiscriminately at civilian areas vs. Knowingly blowing the fuck out of a hospital with precision weapons”
They’re both bad, but there is a vast difference in scale. One is throwing rocks, and the other is a fucking tank. Both need to be stopped, but one is a mite more severe as an immediate threat in need of being addressed. If your response to one side killing a thousand innocent people, and the other killing fifty thousand, is to condemn both sides equally, you don’t give a fuck about innocent people.
If you are planting the seeds of hatred by administrating an apartheid state; It’s not surprising you are going to harvest hate; Death to the Boers and death to the IDF.
I find these bullshit false dichotomies to be beyond annoying. Stop trying to kill nuance, it’s not either or. Two things can be bad at the same time with different extents. Acknowledging this fact allows you to take in more context and actually form a principled point of view rather than a reactionary one. Lemmy is filled to the brim with pissing matches that boil down to “WhAt aBoUt ThIs GuY?!?!” because everything is oversimplified and reactionary.
Yup… and whoever lets their kids throw rocks at soldiers are fucked up people.
A “fair fight” means more civilians die. Non-violent resistance would gain the Palestinians a lot more than sending their children out to throw rocks at tanks.
What I said doesn’t just apply to this conflict, it applies to everything political these days, and this mentality is so prevalent that it’s actually starting degenerate our societies.
I’ve lost my mother, my brother, my father is disabled and I’m stuck getting water and trying to make sure we have food; all because men in tanks like this one have destroyed our way of life. Fuck em, I cast throw rock.
Seriously, no. No the parents are not fucked up, their lives have likely been scarred in one way or another by these people. The ones who are fucked up are the ones who should never have been there in the first place.
If the posts here had their country’s flag next to them, things would be clearer. 🤷
This doesn’t even have to be about Israel and Palestine. Plenty of “conflicts” throughout modern history have looked like this
Oh, I hadn’t considered the radical centrist concept of accepting some genocides but not others.
Unfortunately a very common position.
The only moral genocide is my genocide!
Like the “never again” Zionist crowd while they actively commit genocide.
Conservatives and Israelis are tankies now
I mean pretty sure they’re the one owning the tanks
Yeah, no.
False, and factually so.
Biden’s permanent response to anything Bibi ever wanted was: “You got it, boss. How high do you want me to jump?”
Israel is an issue where both sides are equally bad. Part of me hopes one day someone manages to slip a nuke into Gaza, because that’s the only way Israel and the US will ever consider peace.
Thanks for trump, you succeeded.
That’s not the same bothside. Obviously both sides of the US are on the same side.
You are one messed up person for thinking so easily about someones life.
I’d almost hope you encounter yourself in a time of need to understand just how wrong you are
I think the two sides here are Israel and Palestine, not the two major US parties.
Some people define the two sides as Hamas and Israel which is awkward cause I can’t criticize Hamas for wanting to fight the Israelis but I can criticize them for being a Right Wing organization set up and funded by the Israelis to weaken the PLO and Palestinian unity.
The Israeli funding is a fairly recent development. They were doing fine on russian and Iranian funding for all the decades they were around and shouting “death to Israel”.
That’s not true. Israeli money has been flowing into the US before the establishment of Israel.
The US? What are you talking about?
We are talking about Hamas, not the US.
“Israeli funding is fairly recent” you’re wrong.
Jee really they were screaming that ? I wonder why /s
Because they’re religious fundamentalists whose entire existence is defined by the fact that they want to destroy Israel. It’s in their charter.
Political reasons aside - they’re psychopathic fundamentalists.
Sending your kids out to throw rocks at an army is bad parenting.
Genocide*
So you’re on the grandma nazi side?
*Grammar
Oma says she’s sick of the untermensch.
Hey I don’t like genocide but also don’t believe anything should be done to stop it. /s
got any pictures of october 7th?
how about a nice rapey one?
These things excuse genocide? Is that what you’re saying?
Of course not.
The theme of this post is ‘both sides are bad’. You agree?
I really wonder why your genocide apologist cunt still isn’t banned really tell you everything about lemmy.world admins
are you apologizing for 100 years of islamofascist genocidal terrorism?
i bet you cheat at cards as well, you monster!
ps. you really must work on your use of the word cunt. if you use it without making sense you look a bit silly and it loses its zestiness. read an irving welsh novel, alright darling?
Got any pictures of 77 years of apartheid, and 2 years of genocide?
How about all the times the Israel Occupation Force (IOF) raped Palestinians?
Or how about indiscriminate rocket attacks by Israel on Gaza, systematically annihilating hospitals, universities, and other institutions.
You are a reactionary that conveniently chooses to ignore history. You are a fascist enabler, and should be prosecuted.
i do
they come with 100 years of genocidal terrorism pictures as a collectors pack
Please just got back to Reddit.
do they have brainwashed propaganda broken-folks over there too? fun!
how about a nice rapey one?
There was no mass rape in October 7th, you’re replicating Hasbara atrocity propaganda “Nayirah’s Testimony” style. You’re a supporter of genocide.
you’re a supporter of the genocidal terrorist war crime of murdering jews
a handful of rapes doesn’t even get you excited any more
To be honest, if the rock thrower has more than 20 points of power level, that tank is cooked
I’m locking this post. You guys can’t keep it civil and just keep reporting each others comments back and forth. I’m going to start doing temp bans for abusing the reporting system if you can’t figure out how to fight your battles without asking for someone else to come in an censor your opposition.
That child is no angel.
…yet
Savage
Damn you for making me laugh at this.
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Don’t “both sides” genocide. The victims are not less bad, because they are not bad in the first place.
Let me just start by saying that the overwhelming majority of victims from Israel’s genocidal warfare are innocent civilians, many of which are children.
However, the other side of belligerents in this conflict is Hamas, who are unequivocally terrorists. Yes, Israel’s oppression of the Palestinian people has pushed a lot of people towards Hamas, and yes, Israel has made sure that Hamas has received ample funding and support as a way to weaken the Palestinian Authority, but that doesn’t make Hamas less bad.
Hamas hasn’t just terrorized, kidnapped, raped, and murdered Israeli civilians, they have waged a campaign of oppression and terror against the Palestinian people in order to remain in power. They are a symptom of the national, regional, and geopolitical situation that exists in that region, but they are horrible nonetheless.
Genociders deserve to be terrorised.
Hamas hasn’t just terrorized, kidnapped, raped, and murdered Israeli civilians
Doing atrocity propaganda in favour of Israel is bad. There has been no mass rape of “Israeli”, that’s Hasbara propaganda. Palestine has a right to defend itself from the worst atrocity of the 21st century.
What kind of future does that boy have under his current leadership. What kind of opportunities does Palestine provide these children and what is their stated goals as a government around this conflict again?
When Palestine is freed from genocide, occupation and apartheid, it will be free to democratically decide what to do with itself. You probably understand Zelensky not carrying out elections during a comparatively “mild” invasion (yes, sad, but not an overt genocide), what are Palestinians supposed to do? Maybe the fault of who’s the only faction capable of resistance is of the oppressors murdering hundreds of thousands?
The ethnic cleansing of Ukraine is absolutely a genocide, what are you talking about? They’re kidnapping the children and sending them to be raised by Russian families, they’re destroying the cultural and religious monuments and changing the national language. How is that not genocide?
Comparing the ratio of civilian/children to soldier casualties of the Ukraine war with essentially any other war in which an industrialized nation has engaged in for the past half a century it gets obvious that Russia’s objective is not the elimination of Ukrainians as an ethnicity unless we apply that standard for US involvement in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan… (which I consider atrocious but not genocidal). It is a war of invasion, but not a genocide.
Ukrainian children being kidnapped are isolated instances, not a mass occurrence, no serious journalistic job proves otherwise other than claims from the Ukrainian administration, which has obvious reasons for doing atrocity propaganda.
These accusations of children/women being hurt are levied in every western involvement as we saw with Nayirah’s Testimony which the west took at face value and turned out to be a psyop to sway public opinion doing atrocity propaganda against Iraq.
I’m in favour of condemning all instances of Ukrainian children being relocated to Russia and I’d arguably consider most of those a war crime, but there’s a step between that and taking Ukrainian administration claims of tens of thousands (when the independently confirmed numbers hover the hundreds or few thousands if I’m not mistaken) and making accusations of genocide.
Using the word “genocide” lightly to describe every western geopolitical enemy is dangerous towards victims of blatant genocide such as Palestinians, at risk of losing the weight of the war.
The Russian Ministry of Defense admits 307,000 children were illegally forced from their homes in Ukraine and relocated to Russia. That is not ‘isolated incidents’, and it’s why the ICC has an arrest warrant issued for Vladimir Putin.
Those children are being reeducated and raised as Russians. That is not a normal wartime practice, it’s a Hallmark of genocide.
What ratio of soldier to civilian casualties is necessary for a genocide? I wasn’t aware of this metric.
It’s not just about the children, the areas being conquered are having their culture and history stripped away and destroyed, the language is being changed to Russian; the goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian ethnic identity, this is not the same as other conflicts you named.
The Russian Ministry of Defense admits 307,000 children were illegally forced from their homes in Ukraine and relocated to Russia
Those numbers are ridiculous and blatant Russian propaganda. Taking the Russian Ministry of Defense claims at face value is absurd, and if I’m not mistaken this isn’t even an official communiqué but just something a higher up of the organization said. Unless you truly believe that Russia had killed 1mn Ukrainian soldiers by 2023, you shouldn’t believe the number of kidnapped children claim.
What ratio of soldier to civilian casualties is necessary for a genocide?
There isn’t a final answer but obviously extreme numbers on one either of the ratio are relevant (i.e. 600k Palestinian civilians murdered by “Israel” since Oct 2023 with about half of them being children out of a population of a few million people in Gaza point towards genocide, the case for Ukraine doesn’t point to that direction with estimates not usually exceeding the 20k civilians dead since Feb 2022, with military deaths probably above a few hundreds of thousands).
It’s not just about the children, the areas being conquered are having their culture and history stripped away and destroyed, the language is being changed to Russian
Since 2014 the Ukrainian government was shelling Donbas during the Ukrainian civil war, and in some regions with a majority of self-defined Russians Russian was forbidden. Russia argues that this was a genocide of Russians through war and erasure of language and Russian culture with Russian icons being demolished too. Genocide of Russians is the justification of Russia to invade Ukraine. I don’t take these accusations of genocide that seriously either because of the same reasons I don’t believe Russia is genociding Ukrainians, I believe it’s a political tool to turn your population against a geopolitical enemy. That’s why I want to base this discussion on independent journalistic work instead of accusations from one government to the other
Is there only one side?
I mean your side uses these corny propaganda pictures like the average observer hasn’t been watching for 40+ years: show the pictures of rockets launching from crowded markets and backfiring on friendly civilians 🤣🤣🤣
Heartless zionazi, “Israel” has already lost and will disintegrate over the following decades. Palestine will be free
Good. I just hope you are correct. Their government has been using them as pawns. In a very similar fashion to how you use them for upvotes 🤣 if you leave the Palestinian people in the hands of Hamas they will never be free. I hold both leaderships accountable for the bloodshed. They all need to be replaced. Most of them have been clinging to power due to this conflict. It’s hard to ignore the video evidence of non stop offensive rocket strikes for the last 40 years. Lots of great hits to revisit. It’s not like either side has been peaceful. They are both bad, and the Palestinian people suffer the most because of it. Ignoring half of their suffering is insufferable
Nobody cares about upvotes on lemmy retard.
Yeah, but we do get riled by ableist slurs.
Your instance is lead by genocide supporter. One of the ex-mod confirmed recieving propaganda from israeli mail account.
Good liberals are always more shocked by mean words than litteral attrocities
It’s a deliberate strategy. They can’t say they support the genocide anymore but they can still push the idea that it was sorta deserved
I like to watch the people watch the rocket launching, if they don’t move fast enough they get hit by counter battery. Truly awful 🤣
You are a disgusting example of a human being. You should be instabanned for spewing shit like that.
I agree, obviously. I think when people try to “both sides” this, as it seems, they’re not talking about victims of genocide. Hamas, as the Palestinian leadership in Gaza, have been receiving literal briefcases of money from Israel for years; you can’t call them [the governmental and especially military organization] victims of Israel.
Not being victims doesn’t make them automatically bad. You might argue that armed resistance is necessary to oppose occupation and ethnic cleansing, and that’s a legitimate point. I’d say that Hamas, in this case, being the lesser evil, is still an evil, but it doesn’t only exist to be evil: it exists to fight the bigger evil. Perhaps there’s a not-evil way to fight the occupying power, I don’t know. But what Hamas (& other resistance organizations) have been doing is definitely not working for them. Some might say that it’s backfired massively1.
It depends on how you choose to view this conflict. It can be a conflict of Israel against Palestine (or Israel against Gaza), and in this dichotomic view, the moral option is obviously supporting the Palestinians, Hamas included. But this view doesn’t necessarily represent reality. It can also be a conflict between people who want peace2 between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, and those who don’t, on whichever “side” they happen to be. In this case, it’s imperative to support (actual, not fake) humanitarian foundations in Gaza, and organizations in Israel trying to fight this from within, but oppose escalation in armed conflict. By this view, the conflict is of Israel as a country (a government and military), not a nation, and Hamas as a military, not a representative of the Palestinians, against the Palestinian population3.
My point is that this thread is just arguing over terminology. There is a genocide, we oppose the people facilitating the genocide, and we support the victims. It doesn’t get much more complicated.
Footnotes (yes I used footnotes in a lemmy comment):
1: The one doing the genocide is obviously Israel. Blaming Hamas for bringing this on their own people is disingenuous, but on the other hand, you can’t say that they didn’t know this was going to happen, especially with this Israeli government.
2: Peace is complicated, but for a start we can consider people who oppose genocide, ethnic cleansing, military occupation, and illegal settlements. The optimal solution is the one-state solution, which not everyone accepts, but you work with what you have.
3: There is some effect on the Israeli population, though it’s negligible compared to genocide. Both Israel and Hamas have to maintain some level of support within their respective population, but Israel being way more powerful and the support threshold for Hamas being lower result in a relatively smaller impact on the Israeli population.
I’m on the fence. It’s a high fence, with a great view of both sides, but one side requires me to put my theater glasses on first and promises that the final act will be to die for. The other side seem to be missing actors, so are less interesting.
I really don’t know where to stand either, since the seating situation in the gallery requires you to only look down and makes it hard to see anything at eye level
Hard to tell if this is a metaphor or just a status update of an acrobat
Bit of both. I tried to tell the story of the fence-sitters as rich opulent people spectating the war as if it were a theater, watching the actions of the IDF through the lens of a performative act of infotainment, whilst ignoring the real “show” happening in Palestine because there simply isn’t enough coverage of it.
Anyway I butchered it, much like the kids in Palestine
Dont tell that to the people here, theyre not the type to recognize the hispanic genocide they have triggered in the united states.
What do you mean by this
We are in the beginning stages of hispanic genocide in the United States, and it is clearly perpetrated by one side.
First, it isn’t really a hispanic genocide, it is a Native American genocide. They aren’t hauling off white people allegedly from Spain like Hilaria Baldwin.
They are also starting to include black people and white people who are opposed. Of course, this is still primarily a genocide against Natives.
And it isn’t the beginning, it is hundreds of years in the making. The reason they dislike Spanish speaking Latin countries, is because those are the places where the Natives won. Look at their leaders and their races - now look at Canada and the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomé_de_las_Casas
Native Americans SHOULD have rights to cross borders to preserve ancient trade routes. Eg horses arrived in the west of North America well before white men did, because of these trade routes. These people are all loosely related and have been travelling between peoples and intermarrying for thousands of years, literally.
Second, are you seeing people in favor of ICE here? I’ve never seen a hateful comment towards Latinos, Natives, or hispanics on Lemmy but I’m open to the idea that there are comments like that here. The way your first comment reads, it can be interpreted to mean you are actually advocating FOR the genocide btw, or making it seem like there is a both sides - the Natives are completely innocent.
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Yeah they send children out to throw rocks at tanks. Worst monsters on the planet. But continue to swallow their propaganda because it’s designed to make you so emotional that you don’t ask “what kind of person sends their kids out to throw rocks at tanks?”
