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Join a private forum then.
As someone who is enthusiastic about old cars the amount of knowledge that disappeared when forums got killed by fb is immeasurable. At least A.I might preserve some knowledge.
When people die they take their knowledge with them if nobody writes it down and maintains it.
At least A.I might preserve some knowledge.
Big oof when you realize that literally nothing an AI tells you can be trusted, and you still have to find a proper source for it.
Yeah bigger oof when you realise that nothing damn near anyone who tells anyone anything can be trusted.
Do you know how many times I’ve been handed the wrong part by “professionals” whose full time job is “parts interpreter” and their job description is to look up and order parts for customers? Or had a mechanic be “certain” about the cause of the same problem for the 3rd fucking time. The fact is that when I want to know which is the correct ecu pin for the crank angle sensor on an 83 Cordia Turbo thats some esoteric as fuck knowledge thats probably buried on a forum somewhere. If ChatGPT thinks it knows, I dont just wire shit up and send it. I get out the multimeter and I check that wire first.
Dont get me wrong, if googles search wasnt rubbish these days A.I wouldnt be as useful as it is. I had to find out who made the rear diff for a car to see if we could pull the gears out from a different make/model to get better ratios for the strip. An hour of googling just turned up every result for people selling diffs, selling diff seals, selling diffs for other cars, workshops that specialise in diffs, diff seals for other cars… Chat GPT just fucking knew it was an Aisin unit and what its part number was and then I asked "What cars is “part number” used in and it spat out a list. Its only good because google is shit. If google was still great, it would merely be a novelty.
Google was murdered when the CEO of advertising was made the CEO of search.
So same as internet forums?
No.
Or at least, not always. I’m in plenty of online groups with people who have shown their trustworthiness and expertise. They are people with a reputation.
IKR. People these days dont realise that confidently incorrect people pre-exist facebook.
If you blindly do what ChatGPT says you deserve what happens to you.
People these days dont realise that confidently incorrect people pre-exist facebook.
It’s different though.
If you were a flat earther in 1982, you probably would have a weird self published “newspaper” by someone 4 times a year, and two or three books and no platform beyond literally shouting on the street at people who all considered you a moron.
Nowadays, if you’re a crackpot, you can instantly find 17.000 other crackpots who will happily not just confirm your idiocy, but make up fake stories to support your bullshit ideas. They will also drag you along by pure crank magnetism into other bullshit. You can spread your bullshit far and wide, and since people are automatically served with similar content, you’re even likely to find other idiots like you “in the wild”, which is actually an algorithmic bubble.
Before, nobody you met in real life would agree with you. Nowadays, everyone you “meet” online agrees with you.
So yes, confidently incorrect people have always been there, but not in these numbers, and rarely to this level of confidence. That’s why people react to vehemently, they rarely ever reach outside their bubble. Your ideas that the world is round aren’t the general concept to them, they hear from flat earthers every single hour of the day.
Nowadays, if you’re a crackpot, you can instantly find 17.000 other crackpots who will happily not just confirm your idiocy, but make up fake stories to support your bullshit ideas.
And because crackpots like this are very engaged in their crackpottery, it’s a great place to put ads. That means that the big Internet ad companies all want to be the ones to host those bullshit ideas.
Back in the day, the reason crackpot newspapers had to be self-published is that the big publishers didn’t want to have anything to do with the crackpots. But, in the modern world, Google / Meta can find someone who wants to run an add to your crackpottery, so you get the same treatment as a big media publisher. In fact, you might get better treatment because crackpottery may be stickier than say the Boston Globe, so Google / Meta might prefer to work with you because it allows them to show more ads.
However, this has worked wonders for my atheism!
Yeah but we automated the confidently incorrect idiot and every massive corporation is pushing the robo-idiot as a friend, confidant, tutor, assistant, and trustworthy source of accurate information. I’d rather have the confidently incorrect human than the lifeless simulacrum of one
Sure but (and this goes to the other person who replied with much the same thing) there’s an order of magnitude of difference going on there, plus usually when someone says something wrong on a forum others usually show up to correct them.
AI responses have so far been very clearly a step down in reliability, so don’t be treating it as a binary.
Depends on the forum, plenty of echo chambers out there…
A lot of the forums I’m seeing talked about where more technical or objective kinds. Like in a car forum there’d be repair manuals or parts lists, fountain pen forums would have loads of images comparing inks side by side for different shades and hues. Those are the sorts of knowledge centers being discussed and reminisced about a lot here.
This is why I donate to archive.org
The problem is that AI strip’s all provenance. The most accurate information is presented exactly the same as absolute nonsense.
It makes it exceedingly difficult to sift truth from fiction, without the context clues we could otherwise use online.
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Perplexity provides references for its claims, which is better than most others.
i remember the databases we made of tablature on the guitar forums. i already had the songs we were playing, but… dammit i can’t even remember the name of the forum anymore it’s been like 30 years.
I don’t even have any special knowledge knowledge that could be scraped. I’m just adding noise.
Written grammatically correct English you are, which what LLMs thrive on is.
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The left path is better because if you adopt some privacy hygiene when using the internet, you can be more sure that these AI companies won’t scrape your sensitive info. Whatever data they scrape from places like here is going to be meaningless. Even if the AI is trained on your Lemmy posts, so what? People are here for the community and the people who want human experience will seek it.
fucking everything kind of sucks right now.
Let them scrape. AI as it currently is, is still autocomplete with extra steps, and still prone to hallucination. As it is it will be usable to make cheap, passable content, but not hit those moments of inspiration of human art (yet – there are real AI groups looking to make AGI)
It is a bubble which will pop and AI will be seen as a tool (a resource-costly tool) that requires its own set of experts independent from the experts that use ACAD or write editorial copy or do investigative work. Id est, it’s not the replacement of employees that boards of directors want it to be.
And AGI is centuries from being efficient enough that you can make Rosie the Robot who cleans your house and makes a good upside-down pineapple cake.
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Domains hosted by cloud flare block AI scrapers by default, last I heard
Cloudflare is harmful. Sure, maybe they’re doing a Good Thing™ today, but who stops them from turning around and selling all of the data they proxy to AI companies tomorrow? There is rarely a good reason to use cloudflare. If you care about blocking bots, there are self-hostable tools like Anubis. If you care about hiding your server’s IP, you can use a VPN that allows port forwarding or rent a VPS. Do not use cloudflare. Cloudflare should not be used. By using cloudflare, you surrender your digital sovereignty for a mirage of convenience and safety.
(Yes, I understand the irony of posting this from a instance that uses cloudflare)
There is rarely a good reason to use cloudflare […] By using cloudflare, you surrender your digital sovereignty for a mirage of convenience and safety.
Heh, man you have no idea how bad the DDoS attacks are without some form of protection. It doesn’t necessarily have to be Cloudflare, but if you’re putting up a public-facing website that you want people to be able to access, you absolutely need some DDoS protection service. You need someone to detect large-scale malicious traffic and offload it before it hits your system. It’s no mirage. Arch has been under attack for days. DDoS-for-hire is a profitable criminal enterprise. It is really really bad out there on the open Internet.
Self-hosting a bot-interference tool like Anubis does nothing to help with DDoS attacks. You need a high-bandwidth shield that can absorb the incoming connection requests, filter out the legitimate users and dump the rest before it touches your server (preferably before it touches your edge devices), and that means a CDN.
What stops any domain host from selling us out tomorrow? Why single out cloudflare?
Holding your own certs and constantly reviewing your and your users threat models. Cloudflare’s excessive control comes from them being a proxy.
Right, the middleware is the issue. You can bake all of what Cloudflare does yourself as far as hardening goes and utilities like Anubis and Pangolin, buuut you’re not getting that DDOS protection.
To Lemmy’s benefit, DDOSing one of us isn’t DDOSing all of us, buuut there’s a bit to be said about Lemmy mostly centralizing around .world.
If one had a botfarm and a grudge…
There are proxies and selfhosted middleware out there that can be set up across arrays of vpses who’ll then redirect based on health and load, but once they know all of them, I guess you’re done running.
Cloudflare announced their paid AI scraping service at the same time as they blocked AI scrapers.
Though at least they revenue share with content owners… Assuming said content owners are in paid cloudflare plans, abs opt-in.
Is that what we’re up against? I thought every time I voice my mind on forums it gets upvoted or downvoted or ignored, but always ultimately ignored 🤷🏼♀️.
resists overwhming urge to ignore
Got a lot “knowledge” AI companies are after?
What is making you stink discord isn’t also selling all its data to AI companies?
This implies Discord will not use messages sent to train AI.
It also implies that AI companies have not already setup bots to join and scrape whatever data they can from public discord channels.
Sure it might be against the discord TOS, but that isn’t going to stop them.
Pretty sure pirating authors works and using them to train llms goes against pretty much everything, but a court found it to be quite acceptable.
Discord is one of the greedy AI companies training on your data
Yeah. The left path is the way.
Even if Discord wasn’t doing it, public Discord guilds are known to be scraped by a number of different bots. Previously, it was for spies, cops, and private investigators who wanted to search for messages by username. If those bots could do it before, AI bots will be doing it aggressively today.
hilariously there’s one bot that you add specifically so that stuff on your discord community isn’t lost to time, it scrapes the messages and mirrors it to a forum-like website that can show up in search engines.
AFAIK discord explicitly works with police, i mean they have a predator problem after all
SMS like we used to.
Try to avoid walled gardens in general.
