I think online dating makes this significantly worse for guys. If you’re meeting women IRL height is a lot less of an issue but online just that number becomes a huge barrier that you simply cannot overcome. Women who you would either have not interacted with much or would have been okay with your height if you had met in person will go out of their way to insult your height or wordlessly unmatch as soon as they find out how tall you are. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to keep your head up and realize that it’s just a false impression based on the messed up dynamics of online dating and I can see how it could just destroy a guy’s self esteem completely if he didn’t realize that or couldn’t keep the fact that it’s an illusion in mind.
I’m 5’7". Slightly below the published average height for a man, I’m taller than something like 70% of women.
In this thread, you’ve got a bunch of tall guys talking about hitting heads on doors, not fitting in airplane seats…I have no such issues, the world seems more or less perfectly scaled for me. If someone says “Okay, the average man is 5’10”, the average woman is 5’4", so we’ll build this to be reasonably used by both" it works out to be pretty much my size. Things like shopping carts I find perfectly ergonomic to use.
Back when I was teaching flight school, I had a student who was a fairly tall man. I went with him to check out a Piper Cub he was thinking of buying. Plane was in great shape, duffel bag full of logbooks dating to the 1940s were in order, he could not climb into the aircraft, he physically did not fit inside. I fit perfectly, like it was made for me.
My experience with women: In high school and college I got pretty much all the chicks I wanted. Prior to 2010, not a single woman mentioned my height to me. In movies and TV, you’d hear the phrase “tall, dark and handsome” but In 2010, I broke up with a long term girlfriend and I disappeared into work for a couple years. I was either home sleeping or at the airport.
By 2012, asking women out in person had been repealed. You were REQUIRED to use a dating app, and those DO NOT work for men under 6 feet tall. 0.000 matches guaranteed.
Places I’ve gotten more pussy than all dating platforms combined:
My therapist’s office. The receptionist gave me her number.
ERAU, a university with an 8-1 male-female ratio.
An aircraft mechanic school I won’t identify, with a male-female ratio of 47-1.
My uncle’s house. I’ve got 3 female cousins who tend to have friends over.
How is it I can walk into a sausage fest like A&P school, one of 94 guys on campus, many of them taller than me, driving nicer newer cars than me, wearing trendier clothes than me, and still be the one that gets one of the girls in her end? Well, in her own words, “You’re the one that actually talked to me.”
Actually talking to women does not work online, and has been made illegal in person. So. We’re done here apparently.
Men called me too tall so it’s not all women setting this standard. Men are not being their own best friend more often than you think and are mean to both men and women over it.
online dating is a nightmare in general. If you are attractive and rich its probably very nice experience, but for the rest its just awful and makes you feel even more lonely and unwanted. Imo it should be regulated heavily.
…men asking women if they were female at birth.
Online dating is a garbage fire.
Men will do anything but go to therapy.
Jesus christ
not sure if it’s just me but reading this makes me extremely queezy.
Ugh I can handle medical procedures and nsfl situations but
Tap for spoiler
“turns the key that forces apart the rods in his femurs”
is too much of a step to grow more height methinks.
These kinds of articles are interesting to read but god gods like I can’t imagine the insecurity one must have to actually commit into going through these kinds of procedures.
Either way thanks for sharing!
One thing I’d suggest however is to use the NSFW tag as it does show open surgical wounds. Even though blood and gore related content doesn’t bother me, it still might be unpleasant for others.
Fucking hell. I mean… fuck.
I wish the world would lose all of its stupid societal stigmas that make people feel less human than their equally human peers.
You are a tall person, aren’t you?
Have you considered that the downvotes are because you made a stupid assumption?
It was a question and I suppose the answer is yes based on the response. You’re short aren’t you?
Yeah man I’m a leprechaun
I’m only 5’11" but I agree with them.
Wait. 5 11 is short now?
le epic trollface has arrived
Fuck AI slop
What are you even talking about
Clankopath
Under 6’4" DNI /S
But for real a lot of Tinder bios and stuff have a 6’ minimum stated. While 6’+ people aren’t rare exactly, I’ve known many women and men who hover around that mark or exceed it, it does exclude a large segment of the population.
I think a large part of it is that women generally want a partner taller than them. Guys also seem to generally want a partner shorter than them. And a lot of people will just ignore others until someone checks all the boxes instead of taking a chance. This in turn tends to fuel the loneliness epidemic and can’t be good for self image.
Only about 15% of US men are over 6 ft tall.
Psh than you goto a college town and it feels like 50%
Does it matter? Even if the commenter is in fact tall, what was said is still 100% valid. Physical appearance is valued way too high
I think it does matter, yes. Context is important or at least interesting and I’m curious, so I ask. And an honest answer would’ve been nice versus a bunch of bitchy and meaningless downvotes.
What’s your credit card number? I need it for context. And don’t you dare give me a bitchy downvote!
Call me at 867-5309 and I’ll share it with you!
Jenny! I’ve been meaning to call you since 1981!
I thought I was your girl!
I’m 6"6 but your comment is just tone deaf.
I’m 7’11 and I think he’s right on the mark
Can’t hear me up there, boss?
Gattaca.
Came here to look for this comment
And in the film … at least he was able to accomplish his dream in the end … broken legs and all.
I firmly believe in the right to bodily autonomy and the freedom to modify one’s body in accordance with their wishes. But also this definitely fits in the same mental category as breast augmentation where I hope people discuss their body image with a therapist first.
I’ll admit, as a tall woman I’m probably the least likely sort to really understand, but I am sympathetic, even if I was attracted to men it would be unlikely for any given partner to be significantly taller than me, and as I’m not it’s downright rare. There’s lots of gendered awkwardness in being taller than most men, and I’m certain that short men aren’t lying when they say the inverse is also true. But also, the short men in my life still feel pretty damn manly to me and the ones who own it have a certain extra charm that comes from that.
Also, the article mentioning guys over 6’ doing this, and I really hope those guys talk to someone about it, because that sounds like it might be dysmorphia.
Also, the difference here is that while still an invasive operation, breast augmentation is way less destructive and still somewhat reversible compared to leg lengthening surgery. Not to mention the long and painful recovery process. And it’s not even guaranteed you’ll recover normally.
As a fellow fairly tall person, even beyond how it looks to be tall, you don’t need to be much over 6’ before it starts getting downright inconvenient. I’m just shy of 1.9m / 6’3", so by no means exceptionally tall (for my country and gender, at least) and like… there are a lot of times when it’s just troublesome. I don’t fit in places or things. A lot of clothes don’t fit me well. I hit my head on things. A lack of legroom is often uncomfortable. I feel like I’m ruining the view for other people at concerts. The idea of people close to my height actively going out of their way to make themselves even taller - even if it was a trivial process, which it clearly is not - is madness to me
Of course I do understand that it’s a self-image thing and such things do not care about practicalities. Everyone’s got to find a way to be happy with themselves. I get that. It’s just… god I hate hitting my head on stuff, that shit hurts
As someone who is 6’4", yeah, I feel similarly. Airplanes are terrible and I always hit my head on things. I kinda understand guys who are, like, 5’5" doing this. Most women like their partners to be taller than them, so it could significantly increase your dating pool to be 5’7". But once you’re at 6’, not only do most women not care at all if you are taller - they can’t even tell.
My husband is 6’3" and works in a university kitchen.
The tables are too short causing him to be hunched over all day. The doorways are too short, there are overheads on the cookware and he hits his head on both these things if he’s not paying attention.
He’s size 14 shoe and can’t just buy them off the rack and cost more. His knees and back are already failing him and he’s not yet 40.
On a less serious note, I never wear heels. Taking photos together is a nightmare.
I’m short, 5’1". I’ve dated men from my height to his and dont really have a preference other than confidence in one’s self.
People don’t get to choose their height, and being tall is not all it’s cracked up to be. I bet my husband would trade some height to be pain free if you asked him.
Can I pay to be shorter? 🤔
According to the article yes. Personally, even though part of me does wish I could be normal height I’ve done the mental work to appreciate the size I naturally wound up
Though, if there was a low risk way to shrink hands and feet that one might get me
You can serve your cuntry
Men are only ever short inside their own heads.
What delicious delusion, wish I could be there to watch you when it collapses
the vast majority of presidents since the advent of photographs in newspaper have nearly always been the tallest
Height has a powerful psychological effect, on the possessor and the witnesses
But here you are pretending the stigma doesn’t exist
That’s exactly what I’d expect a diddy man to say.
Also, what’s supposed to happen when my delusion collapses?
That the majority of humans operate rationally, and not on some monkey tribe level pseudo consciousness.
All the cute little things people without power tell themselves to sleep well at night, that humans are inherently rational, or that people aren’t judged on appearances, and that truth and justice always prevails if you just wag your finger ‘naughty naughty’ hard enough.
The delusion that we are anything more than naked apes fresh from the savanna evolution-wise and the tallest and loudest will always get preference.
Short men are judged and will always face a deficit no matter what, which is why they go the extra mile
Same reason fat people usually have good personalities
They have to do it to find a way to be equal because sure as fuck society won’t let them have an equal footing out the gate
That’s the delusion you need to get over, no one bothers looking for hidden qualities anymore, no one has the time
As someone who’s experienced two broken legs after a car ran a red light , one of them a snapped femur, all I have to say is UGH.
I’d say they’re insane to undergo something so awful, but then I’m already 1.89m tall, so I can’t speak to the pressure someone short might face, or I suppose more importantly, think they face. That’s some serious body dysmorphia they’re dealing with; I hope that this at least helps them with that.
I’m wondering what kind of long term pain and complications these people are going to be dealing with as their body ages.
And you would also look weird, because you look disproportionate, because it’s only your lower legs are lengthened.
Being 5’3", I’ve thought about this kind of thing in the past. But the risks are too great, and I’m not looking to live with more pain through my life than I already have, just for the cause of being taller.
There are plenty of women who would date a 5’3 man, and plenty of the women are shorter than 5’3
I’m going to say this simply, given my dating history. Any man who’s a halfway decent person can find someone who will love them and ignore relatively minor physical issues (and sometimes major physical issues too). Any man who’s complaining about not getting dates just because he’s short has one of three situations:
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He has the wrong social circle.
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It has nothing to do with his height, and the prospects he’s approaching recognize the red flags.
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His own insecurities make it impossible for him to prioritize another person.
Of those, I have sympathy only for the first. Finding love is not easy for anyone, and it is possible to simply not know where to look. Otherwise, it’s not about his height, it’s either about his demeanor, or his own issues around his height.
My reason for wanting to be taller is extremely pragmatic: I need to be able to reach stuff in my kitchen cabinets without standing on the counter or getting a ladder. I need to be able to shop in stores without having to stand on the shelves to get stuff up top. Simple stuff. I’d also just once like to be able to see over someone’s head in a packed movie theater, so that I don’t have to choose between going only to shows that I think will have low attendance (matinees) or sitting so close to the screen that it’s overwhelming.
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I’ve never felt insecure about my height, and I do fall at the lowest end of the spectrum. Also one of the few times being gay has been a blessing since men tend to be a lot less fussy about height.
To me, everyone else’s expectations are the problem. Not me! I literally don’t understand the appeal because it feels like such an arbitrary thing to like, like hair color.
Incels love to blame all their problems on height because it’s the one thing that can’t be their fault.
Hear hear. I am average-slim and gay. Being easy to handle by a larger man is basically non-existent-God’s way of making up for all the other difficulties of being queer in a straight world.
Being gay certainly has its perks! For being such an awful sin, the Christian god sure gives a lot of mixed signals.
There goes your chance to become a short-king influencer and change how society sees shorter than average men!
You’ve doomed your bros, and your baby boys.
Jack Hanma wannabees.
Being tall sucks. I’m a dude and 6’6, if I could trade in for a normal sized body I’d do it in a heartbeat.
People are still dicks. Women don’t fall from heaven onto my dick. I don’t fit in cars, forget about flying. Finding clothes sucks ass. All
furniturethe world is child sized.I can find people in a crowd though, for what’s that worth…
Heey 6"6 here too, with slight back pain.
Nothing is made for us, socks, dispensers, ceilings, you name it.
Fun fact: in Sweden where I grew up, I was considered ‘too tall’, men shouldn’t be over 1m86-ish.
Can’t design society around extremes…
Everyone hates avg but being 160-180cm is the sweet spot for both me and women lol
And these people just don’t get the struggle because the world is made for their side lol
No one asked society to be “designed around extremes” lol, make place for everyone IMO!
Your height range is bullshit too, and not even what people “look for”, sweet spot pulled out of your behind lol.
Society designed itself around that avg
So Spanish society did and Swedish too?
What are you smoking lol 🤣
the world is child sized.
This is sort of what short men’s insecurities are rooted in.
Short people get infantilised to a degree which makes them feel less manly, which drives negative behaviours (short man syndrome?) and reinforces their insecurities as they fall into a sort of incel ideology.
So because I can’t find a pair of pants tall enough without ordering it online I’m responsible for short mens’ insecurities?
No wonder the world is a shitshow right now
The way language is used shapes perceptions and insecurities, there are ways to frame your struggles that don’t denigrate others but my critisicm wasn’t levelled at yourself.
Its a societal issue and one that overwhelming affects young men. Those young men then look for solutions and fall into the easy trap of the ‘manosphere’ which preys on their insecurities and shows them a sort of toxic ‘success’.
There’s a reason all the far right rallies are full of manlets and overweight slobs. They’re vulnerable to the messaging and driven in that direction by a society that rejects them.
Yeah no that was caused by 3rd wave feminists giving the rancid tumor of gamergate legitimacy by addressing it across every fuckdamn channel shaming boys for liking boobs in video games
You speak in sweeping generalizations about human nature but seem to ignore the actual historical facts of the situation. Those posts and campaigns were made by people, decided by individuals, with the express purpose of marginalizing young men. THE EXPRESS PURPOSE. They literally stated it in their charters
Young men are severely disenfranchised in the modern world and certain specific repugnican social agents including Steve Bannon capitalized on this economic and social disenfranchization to devastating effect and positioned them to take heat from the screaming bluehaired lesbian committee instead of the actual deceitful organizers that planned the harassment campaigns.
From the mid 00-s to 2014 the entire web was flooded with misogynistic vitriol and calls of violence towards men as 3rd wave feminists finally got their chance to oppress. Mens social safety nets are orders of magnitude less robust than what are established for women. This made fertile ground for discontent that Bannon reaped with his conspiracy theory carousel.
And the WORST part is that ALL of you blame it on ‘fat incel manlets’ when the majority of them are just normal guys tired of being told they are inherently evil for liking big tits on a video game character, and being directly manipulated by a fascist con-man to get his favorite baby raper elected
And every fucking one of you fell for it, hell you are even yourself echoing the same hateful speech that was used to radicalize them
The analysis ain’t wrong but you can’t expect the normies to understand it…
Also, this is a culture war and you still playing it.
I don’t you see calling out the real culprit here either…
Is there a specific reason why you are giving paasites a pass while doing a culture war circle jerk?
Are you a useful idiot or poorly educated?
That’s a them problem, this commenter got his
The world is not child sized. I believe you when you say being tall suck. I am 1,5m, something like 4"11. So, the size of a child. I fit in cars, but I need a cushion. Lot of counters are so high that only my head sticks out. Finding clothes sucks too. My feet often don’t touch the ground when I’m seating on an adult chair. I have to climb so much things. I can’t reach all my shelves, even with a stool. Sometimes, sinks are a little too high.
I’m absolutely ok with my size, and I really think being small is easier than being really tall, but the world is not made for people my size. Really not.
As a 5’1" person, who, I’ve watched all the women in my family shrink with age, so I likely will too, I empathize with this statement.
The cabinet above the refrigerator in my home is empty. I cannot reach it even with a stool. I send my son up on the counter go get stuff from the top shelf for me. My feet also hang from many a chair. As a child, all my pants had to go to the seamstress to be hemmed. I remember finding a pair of capris pants in middle school, not realizing they were capris, and just being excited the length was right for pants on me. My mother used a cushion in her car as far back as I can remember, and I’m greatful new cars have more seating settings so I don’t have to do that.
The best positive is I can buy child sized shoes and save a buck. But I do enjoy being short overall. I’d rather be short than so tall. But yeah, the world is made for the middle height people. Folks on either ends of the height scale have to make accommodations.
Reading the article, the guy didn’t care to be tall, he just didn’t want to be short. He had several bad experiences because of it, but also just wanted that for himself
So all these short kings are getting gender affirming care?
Cuz that’s what I’m hearing here.
You’re hearing wrong. Being tall is advantageous regardless of gender.
Are women having these operations performed on them?
It’s men feeling unmanly and having surgery to fix it. Of course this is gender affirming care.
