• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    Once this bullshit is over -abd one day it will- van we please criminalize calling politicians to be locked up? And I’m not talking about your average Lemmy calling for Trumo to be locked up because of too many to count crimes he committed, I’m talking about politicians calling for locking up other politicians only because you don’t like them.

    If you have a following, first amendment no longer applies to you, you don’t get to say whatever bullshit that springs up in your head.

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      We should make it so all public statements by a politician are considered as under oath. With harsh penalties for perjury.

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      Germany has a law against Volksverhetzung; I’m pretty sure that would fall under it. Unfortunately they haven’t been very good at enforcing it, esp. on social media. Yet still some 'muricans screech that we’re against ❄️🍑 and therefore fascist - not understanding why and when that law was implemented.

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        Volksverthetzung is about specific protected classes, which don’t include non-religious ideologies (and l’m not sure if “not american” is a specific enough identity either)

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        That law should be applied to anyone with a following of more than 100 people. If you influence more people than you can on a small square then the rules should change and you shouldn’t be allowed to claim whatever shit you want and claim freedom of speech.

        I’d make those rules a lot stricter as well

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      This would make it illegally to call for Trump to be locked up for the legitimate crimes has has and is committing and is obviously unconstitutional

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        No it would not.

        Calling for something reasonable after proven evidence is submitted that the person broke the law should not be criminalized, though even with that there is a time and place. Submit that stuff to a court, not to twitter.

        Either way, I’m talking about making random unsubstantiated claims or over generalizing claims like “all Jews are evil because they all support genocide” which obviously is bullshit

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        Coming from a country that has similar laws: it’s about inciting hatred or violence.

        Phrased as the previous commenter did, literally making it illegal to say lock them up, might not work.

        But.

        Saying Trump should be locked up for his crimes is not inciting hate or violence, because he has objectively committed crimes and the courts should do their job thankyouverymuch. Saying AOC should be locked up for made-up crimes based on made-up law is a different matter altogether.

        But I’m aware that the US legal system has a looong way to go before it can accomodate for such distinctions.

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          But I’m aware that the US legal system has a looong way to go before it can accomodate for such distinctions.

          And we’re moving farther from that goal with every decision handed down by our Supreme Court.

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          It is different but do you expect a trial for person A saying person B should be locked up to first hold a mock trial for person B without access or standing to actually do so correctly before they can render a verdict on person A? Objectively unreasonable.

          This is also massively prone to abuse. Even creating a plausible context for prosecuting someone creates the potential for effectively punishing critics even if everyone one of them gets off. This is further assuming that they actually get off even if innocent by your standards and mine.

          Then there is the simple fact that based on US law this is sufficiently contrary to our laws that it would require a constitutional amendment which would be impossible to pass. It doesn’t matter if it could be passed in your country it certainly couldn’t be passed in this one.

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    So we’re already trying to roll past AOC’s beef with MTG getting the better of her and the iron dome funding for israel fiasco that pissed off a LOT of people.

    I feel like we underestimate people who act and look stupid, they are capable of manipulating good people all the same and I feel that’s what happened

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      You know what they say: if it walks like a duck, if it talks like a duck…

      It’s surprisingly easy to get into this argument with people as soon as you use the f-word. Thankfully Wikipedia has a definition of fascism, and if that applies to somebody, then they’re a fascist. I’m done with calling a spade a “nationalist authoritarian gardening implement”.

      Oh, but wikipedia has been taken over by the woke left! Argument terminated.

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        Right after ICE has been deployed in all major blue cities and any opposition, like any critical journalists, activists and politicians, have been suitable intimidated or disappeared.

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        I know I deserve ridicule for watching this channel at all, but you should check out the recent Jubilee 1vs20 with Mehdi Hasan.

        They are well past being comfortable calling themselves fascists outright. Not the sarcastic ‘you called me one so I’ll call myself too’ but full tilt yes this is what they think.

        Tldw: Just skip to 22:00 for blue shirt guy.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-WJN3L5eo

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          Just a thing to keep in mind. These people are all trying to boost their YouTube channels or whatever. They’re creators, not random people. They have a vested interest to act in ways that make them go viral.

          That’s not to say it takes away from the vileness, in fact it intensifies it because it’s all the more deceitful to whoever tunes in. But that’s kind of how fascism spreads: it pretends to be normality until enough people believe it is… and because of that, it actually becomes normal — it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

          So these people may not be anecdotal evidence that it’s being normalized, but rather they are actively doing the normalizing.

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          I saw clips of this and thought to post it on Lemmy, but I don’t wanna platform jubilee at all. But yeah it’s fucking crazy how fucking normalized straight up fascism is in today’s world.

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      I like to think of it as MTG hedging her accusation. “I think AOC has become just a little communist lately”.

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    I’m glad she left it at “First of all”, because anything more would just allow MTG to spin her conspiracy BS. That’s the Twitter-savvy AOC we love.

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    Hey guys I really don’t enjoy this dystopian late stage capitalism…

    FUCK OFF YOU COMMUNIST RAT!!

    ehm wtf

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    Didnt she just vote to fund israeli “defense”? Shes no hero either, she is a funder of the genocide.

    • AOC? Yeah, she was pressured by Pelosi that if she didn’t vote pro-Palestine-Genocide that Pelosi and the Democratic party would unperson her and make sure she would never see a committee assignment in her life.

      Then they didn’t give her committee assignments.

      After Carter, the Democratic party ratcheted up all the lockdowns to make sure anyone actually interested in serving the public would be forced to eat at the kids table. Anyway, she changed her no vote to present after Pelosi talked with her in the back room.

      DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!

        • Complicit with the genocide in Palestine by Ben Netanyahu’s regime (and by prior Israeli administrations) does make it pretty evil, yes.

          It can’t be reformed from within, and requires a great deal of reform (much the way justice in the US requires extreme levels of reform).

          Sadly, the only alternative we’re given in the US is the GOP, which is so much worse.

          TBH, given the current state of affairs, I’m having doubts of the capacity of the human species to civilize, at least at our current tech level.