Only one is an actual threat to how the Democrats do things.
What exactly do you think the DNC is doing to fight
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A candidate for the generals put forth by the DNC?
Don’t forget Bernie.
DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.
Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.
Thank fuck it’s now blatantly obvious with Zohran.
So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.
This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.
Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they’re getting fucking roasted on social media for it.
Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.
Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.
Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, and he was endorsed by many dem leaders already
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuomo-stay-new-york-city-mayoral-ballot-november/story?id=123258468
Your source indicates he is still running, but unless I’m missing something makes no mention of endorsements. Do you have a source for that?
The endorsements were from before he was running during the primary.
I was being slightly fecesious
It’s funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn’t really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all… this.
It’s certainly curious.
I like how she just invented her own hysterical interpretation of the interview where zohran wouldn’t condemn people for saying globalize the intifada, and then when confronted with the actual quote from zohran, including the “I won’t become mayor to be the word police,” and she takes that and says “actually, you DO have to be word police, you have to tell people its unacceptable to say things that other people may interpret as calling for the slaughter of millions of jews, even if you know those phrases mean something completely different from how jews feel about it”
The interviewer at that point is like well he didn’t say that and what he said doesn’t imply the killing of jews but okay youre clearly just a violently racist woman so lets take a question from a caller and end the interview
I hope she resigns if he wins, if not then her next election should be her last. Disgusting, hateful, disqualifying behavior from this woman in that interview.
But Republicans and Democrats are completely different parties.
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I can assure you that the Democrat candidate Zohran Mamdani is going to be infinitely better than the Republican Sliwa.
Don’t worry, I’m sure that if moderate Democrats succeed in their rabid crusade against Zohran and he gets defeated then they’ll turn around and say it was because we didn’t back Cuomo 1000% and without criticism, going back through your comment history and quoting this comment back to you every time you share any political opinion whatsoever.
But they’re super serious about opposing Trump, pinky promise.
Um, “fighting” Donald Trump.
It wasn’t blue on blue. It was vested interests Vs a genuine candidate. The state of NY voted trump in, not because they like him, because they didn’t want the democrat party. This party as a tool of the corporations is finished. You’re watching it’s death throes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/new-york-president-results
NY State voted for Kamala.
NY voted for Kamala?
If they’re not with Zohran, they’re against Democracy.
I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.
I’m pretty sure they’re with Zohran because he’s literally the DNC candidate.
I’m wondering who the fuck keeps reelecting these establishment weirdos every election cycle who’ve been in office 30+ years? Are they in a nursing home drooling all over themselves? Ten years ago people were saying the pendulum would finally swing left when the boomers died off. Then COVID happened and a lot of them did. Then in 2024 Trump won the popular vote unlike in 2016. At this rate I’ll die of old age and the boomers will still be kicking at 125 years old, voting ®etard or dem establishment (D)ickhead while their backyard is catching on fire due to climate change and they’ll just blame it on chemtrails or something. It’s like these fat entitled fucks are immortal.
I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie’s stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.
We’ve had less of the mocking “bOth SIdeS aRE thE SamE!” recently. I think more people are starting to see what we meant.
Nah, those idiots who argue for the lesser evil in a bid to push the troubles to a point they arent affected by them while millions suffer are still out in force.
Better than those idiots that thought voting for Trump, voting 3rd party, or not voting at all was somehow the better option and that less people would suffer than under Harris, or the lesser evil.
At least those who voted 3rd party or didn’t vote at all due to shitty candidates recognize there’s a problem and that it needs taken care of before it’s too late.
Y’all would have us march along with “the lesser evil” to the point of no return.
Voting third party in the general election is nothing more than a performative action that directly benefits the worst candidate. Those of us that held our noses and voted for Kamala did so with the recognition that there is a problem, but we were also smart enough to know that the general is not where major changes happen.
I’d have everyone vote for their ideal candidate in the primaries, and then vote for the best viable candidate I’m the general.
Acting like you did something good by voting third party is akin to puffing up your chest and acting like tough shit, when all your doing is standing funny and looking like an idiot with a big chest.
lol
You think things would be exactly the same if Harris were president? That is a special kind of delusion you’ve built for yourself.
The point is…both sides are right wing, not to the same extent, but you’re arguing about shit versus shit like there’s some huge difference. It’s pathetic.
Because there is. Harris wouldn’t be illegally deporting people with secret police to death camps, openly accepting bribes like a 747 from Qatar, trying to make the Ukraine surrender, shitting all over the epa, giving the reigns to Musk to gut the government, creating a meme coin and phone company to really show how little they respect the emoluments clause there are countless examples of “huge differences” that wouldn’t fly under Democrats. Democrats suck, are extremely problematic, and need major reform/replacement but pretending they’re as bad as Republicans is so wildly disingenuous I can’t take people that say that shit seriously
Harris wouldn’t do these things, but she would set the stage for fascists to do these things and more in 2029. Kicking the can down the road simply empowers fascists such that when (not if) they come to power they do more damage than if the bandaid had been ripped off in the first place. I mean, Biden won in 2020 and all America got was better-prepared fascists with a blueprint for how they’ll take over the United States, and as halfhearted as his attempts were at least Biden tried; Harris was only shaping up to be worse. If the only thing y’all can do is kick the can down the road, you might as well rip off the bandaid.
Both sides are still not the same, IMO.
Dems suck, but not remotely to the same depth as Republicans.
I’d hold my nose and vote for Harris again if the election were tomorrow, and for the same reason as last time. (Gestures around)
Dems run the spectrum from conservative through milquetoast to leftist. The milquetoasts seem to win most of the time.
R is 100% bigot fascist authoritarians or people for whom those things are not a dealbreaker.
They keep us arguing over ¾ of shit that happens so that they can get the ¼ through they really car about 100% of the time.
Bought and paid for and unwilling to lose their power at any cost it seems.
Most of the people we’re talking about are either members of the house or senate in our federal government. And our current system makes it very difficult to win or keep those specific seats unless you’re willing to be bought and paid for. Those who don’t do as they’re told will get primaried by an opponent who is much better funded. It is a system that is specifically set up to choose corrupt politicians.
We desperately need campaign finance reform, but none of those politicians who are bought and paid for are going to honestly support it. Realistically, I don’t see any way that we’ll see it unless there is an overwhelming popular sentiment in favor of it. Where everybody is truly upset about it and politicians’ hands are forced out of fear. But I don’t see that happening in America any time soon, when half the country is voting Republican.
“Politics in the entertainment branch of industry.” - madlad with BDE
I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.
We will say what we have always said: vote for the DNC candidate. Zohran Mamdani.
Schumer already did a kind of shy endorsement of Mamdani, after that the others politicians don’t have much room to stab the party in the back. The problem here are the donors; oligarchs are pissed.
My current bet would be that Cuomo will leave his name in the ballot out of spite but not really campaign, and lots of right wing Democrats will stay silent, while the oligarchs will try to resurrect Adams’ political career by throwing money at it (may all their donations burn into a pile of useless ash)
I say Democrats should be reformed in the primary, voted for in the election. The time to support Mamdani as a Democrat is now. (Billionaires like Ackman, Bloomberg aren’t real Republicans or Democrats anyway, they just have a lot of money and they want to back a horse that will let them keep it). The time to bring about a change in Democratic candidates ahead of the midterms (if they happen) and next general is now. In 2~4 years, it will then be time to vote in whoever’s been put forward as the best chance to stop fascism.
The same as before, that you made your choice to hand the White House to trump rather than a Democrat you didn’t agree with. It’s the same story down the ticket too. The Democrats may have run a lousy campaign, with poor candidates, but we all knew what the alternative was, and some ostensably left wing voters chose not to oppose that.
The same story down the ticket is that Democrats feel entitled to progressives votes and conitnously adjust to be just slightly better than Republicans.
As you saw they rather handed the country to Trump than stop a genocide and aclnowledge the cost of living crisis.
You have no power to reward people that feel entitled to your vote. You only have the power to punish them.
Let’s be real. Roe would not have fallen without Trump. And the erosion of the 3 branch system would not have gotten this far. With DEMs.
But that’s what they do. While eroding the working class through continued subsidies to the rich. It’s why the middle class is dead. Yea, Reagan started that death but the Dems just took their payments and quietly kept things moving, between every Repub term, bringing us to the present state of the billionaire class, lack of middle class, and a country where 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck.
They’ll say they’re cool with rape. Isnt that what Cuomo is in trouble for?
This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I’m not and have not been a fan of Harris. She’s still not Trump.
If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Oh my god I feel this so much.
Did you take a stand and stick to principles? Yes! Congratulations. But if you cannot accept that in doing so, you effectively voted for whatever you felt the majority of votes would go to.
I am related to several people who voted 3rd party, are adamant they did nothing to assist Trump getting elected, but ALSO hold the opinion that congressional members who vote “present” instead of yes or no are cowards hiding behind a “no vote” because they want the majority to win but they don’t want to be on record for it.
What is a 3rd party vote if not “present”?
The problem is that by reinforcing the narrative you reinforce the two party system. Noone believes in a third party so a third party cannot gain critical momentum because of people saying not to believe in a third party.
Repeating this mantra at every point makes it dogmatic to ensure the Democrats not faving any accountability for being a far right party with some gay rights sprinkled in between (but only if these arent inconvenient to uphold).
We have the same issue in proportional systems with a minimum votr to enter parliament. The threshold is lower but the game is the same. The old parties will always band together to fight any new party that could emerge and require them to deal with people they havent brought in line of the donor class yet.
That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can’t) Like police reform can’t be done.
You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.
I’m not from US, but why not ask for something more than lesser of two evils?
Because our elections system is fundamentally broken in such a way that creating or promoting something other than the existing two makes the side you like least more likely to win. As such, unless you can get literally the entire base of one of the major parties to switch to you in the span of a single election cycle, “asking for something more than the lesser of two evils” has mostly the same practical consequences as “asking for the greater evil”.
This largely breaks the premise of democracy, of course, because the two main parties don’t have to follow “the will of the people”, they just have to look slightly better in the eyes of their base than the other party. The way to fix it would be to greatly reform our election system, but that’s difficult to do (admittedly not entirely for bad reasons, it probably would not be ideal for authoritarians to make changes to that for example), and made worse by the fact that both parties benefit from the current system vs one where even more competition can exist.
That latter point means that what it would really take, is first usurping control of one of the existing parties from those that currently run it, and then getting those newcomers into enough power at a national level to get election reform done. That’s not a terribly likely path to work out, I’m afraid, but it’s probably all we’ve got short of an actual violent revolution (which have a high risk of failing or getting co-opted by authoritarians, and in any event are a lot harder to start than some people on the internet seem to think they are). This is probably why the establishment democrats hate this guy so much, despite him only running for mayor (of a large city admittedly, but still, not exactly president or anything). Popular candidates from outside their established group are exactly the kind of thing that you would need to start this process, and if successful that group would lose much of their power.
There are 3 years and 11 months many of us spend fighting for that. Then there’s one month where keeping the literal modern nazis out of power requires some unsavory choices.
Because that’s what we were given to choose from.
Insert long, tired diatribe about FPTP voting and the US two party system here.
TL;DR: Third party votes were effectively a vote for Trump. And while I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) this was always true, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Logically, third party votes were only “effectively a vote for Trump” if you assume that otherwise all of them would be votes for the Democrat Party AND that the Democrats could not possibly win without those people sacrificing their vote to a party that doesn’t represent them (i.e. that it would be impossible for the Democrats to appeal to those voters the way politicians are supposed to, by supporting policies that those voters wanted).
As an outsider, it’s painfully obvious that the Democrat Party establishment strategy was to try and get those votes without trying to appeal to those voters using the exactly Propaganda you’re still now parroting, and it failed miserably.
They tried to cheat at representative politics (by wanting the votes without offering representation) and failed (worse, failed when their adversary was a loudmouth buffoon), but you’re blaming those who wouldn’t vote for those who did not at all want to represent them.
Interestingly, Zohran is starting to show that the strategy of appealing to such voters is a winning strategy (in other words that the Democrat Party establishment did not won because of their refusal to represent in any way left of center voters), a proof which will become undeniable if the NY Mayoral race ends up as a three horse race with him, Cuomo and a Republican and he wins.
If they aren’t on the ballot nationally, its too late.
Because the system is specifically designed to prevent that from happening.
