jfc. And here I was thinking that that audio clip of Ken Martin literally fucking crying at David Hogg would amount to anything. These people have the utmost contempt for their constituents, it is absolutely ridiculous. They would LITERALLY rather America succumb to a fascist takeover than begin to call out their own, or oppose their corporate donors. The average democratic voter has more balls and patriotism than these people. Words cannot describe how insanely livid this makes me, neolibs can suck my fucking balls.
I don’t agree with all this guy says, but I agreed that the Democratic party is fucking worthless. They are done. We need a new party to beat fascism or we need a new system. One where oligarchs cannot buy power.
and this is why the DNC is going to die. Its killing itself with its own greed.
Yeah they’re better than the republicans because they don’t commit literal treason in broad daylight. But these fuckers want to get paid more than they want to serve and better their country.
Honestly, fuck everyone in the DNC.
They’re all pieces of shit.
This confirms to me that the Democrats always having enough people breaking rank to pass horrible Republican bills is a feature of the party and not a bug because they instantly toss the guy trying to fix it. There will NEVER be enough Democrats in elected positions to pass the bills they pretend to want to pass nor will there ever be enough to stop Republican rule, no matter how small a minority they are.
So both sides are the same after all.
The Duopoly ends when we dump both parties
They’re not the same. They do have the same bosses, though. So it stands to reason they’re both moving us towards the same goals.
It’s a two-pronged strategy, which is why everyone voting for the ‘lesser-evil’ is part of the problem.
Oh I know. It’s babyfaces and heels.
They’re not the same. They do have the same bosses, though.
both moving us towards the same goals.
So they are both the same. I don’t know why Americans still think they aren’t.
No, they’re not. There are plenty of sifferences. Most are superficial, but they’re differences nontheless. I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that there’s more than one path to the same goal.
I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that there’s more than one path to the same goal.
If the same goal is towards fascism, then they are the same.
No, that means they have the same goal, not that they are identical. There are many paths one could take towards that goal.
So keep voting blue no matter who anyway even if the end goal is fascism. Gotcha.
I did not say that.nor so I endorse that philosophy. My state is solidly blue and doesn’t have enough electoral votes to affect the election in any meaningful way. I’ve been voting third party for almost 30 years because it’s the only possible way for my presidential vote to matter at all. It’s actually impressive how stupid and wrong your strawman argument is in this case.
Would we have ICE tearing families apart and going around wearing masks like the Gestapo if Harris were president?
you’re an idiot if you actually believe this.
Looks like someone got a job on the Three Letter campaign.
Party of absolute sellouts. Dem party will never do the right thing and they are beyond cooked. We need real power on the left, not these clowns.
So, what do we do?
As painful as it will be, they leave few options outside of a third party at this point. They’d need to focus on districts where they will minimize negative consequences, but there must be a willingness to bargain with mutual loss in favor of Republicans. The corprocrats are always more willing than the left to risk fascists winning, but given how much they’re going to the right recently, they’re really not much better.
We start funding a third party, and not the fucking green party
Funding, yes. Also voting for them in local elections, no one benefits from trying to thrust them straight into national elections. Yeah it’s gonna take a few election cycles, and yeah blue is our best bet for those cycles.
I want to agree, but the people that are going to receive this message have, and the people that aren’t, aren’t. It’s been that way since before I was born.
I’ll continue to choose the best option but godamnit we have to create a better option.
But Jill Stein will emerge from her cocoon in just three short years!
The green party has primaries. Tiny ones. We could just walk in and take it over.
Only if trump needs her to siphon away votes, as ordered by putin.
the russian permafrost, they already ressurected mitch mcconnel, and tulsi recently completed her metamorphosis.
It’s possible this could be a 7 or 13 year cycle
Stop voting for them.
Start voting for better candidates. We should be supporting the Green Party.
Same old, same old. The DNC lost the most important election and ended democracy. Had a chance to change but couldn’t see past the pile of cash in front of 'em.
schumeer and hakim, plus 10+ other dinos in both houses: “best we can do is vote with the gop most of the time”
What is the most effective way to let the DNC know that I hate them?
Support candidates they hate, like Zohran Mamdani, Kat Abughazaleh, AOC, etc. Start changing them from the ground up.
It’s a long process, and we might not have time to pull it off at this point. But I don’t see a better option short of straight up revolution.
Vote for progressives in your state and local Democratic primaries.
And I would add: Don’t give squat to the Democratic Party.
Give to Leaders we Deserve. Then send a copy of your receipt (with anything they could use to spam you redacted) to the DNC explaining that you give to causes you believe in. Let them know that the absence of a check in the same envelope is not an oversight.
this
You know what Democrat politicians hate? Progressive politicians.
What they really hate is people who vote for those progressive politicians.
gop pretty much dominate those areas that DEMS dont vote in.
Seems rather intuitive, no?
People are going to hate this, but if you keep voting for them at the end of the day, they have no reason to change. Simple as.
There is nothing they won’t interpret as evidence that they’re not far enough to the right.
That. I can’t believe that their takeaway from 2024 was that they didn’t throw the left under the bus enough. Harris ran exactly the campaign that the DNC donors wanted, and we see the fucking results.
Politically they get what they want. Trump will take the blame for tax cuts and anti immigration policies they couldnt pass without alienating too many voters. Then next election they expect to have people crawl back. Ratchet and repeat.
Seems like the flaw in their plan is assuming there will be a next election.
Voting third-party.
Be disengaged. Why do you think we have Trump?
Because the democratic party represents three people: netanyahu and two cheneys.
Good news, they’re going to represent a fourth soon: elon the nazi.
It’s almost like Dems don’t want to win.
Neo-liberals and conservatives have the same goal: make rich people richer at the expense of everyone else.
If a Republican wins, they both win.
If a Democrat wins, they both win.
It’s why there really are only 2 kinds of people in this world: those who support the 2 party system, and those who do not.
If it means moving to the left, they would rather have trump.
We all fucking told you so.
We told them so, we were called russian bots and trump supporters for saying “They want Trump to win, this is bad.”
Gotta love being a Cassandra. Calling out that something bad will happen, people ignore you, bad thing happens, people now think you’re just using hindsight.
Pretty much. I’m not gonna say that the Dem establishment wants Trump/The GOP to win, obviously they would prefer holding the power. But if it’s a choice between progressives who will actually oppose their economic policies and the far-right, they’ll pick the latter every. single. time.
many of the dinos couldnt hack it as a gop candidate , so they play the D games to get elected.
and they have a party willing to welcome them as long as it means they get to move to the right.
Hoggs anti-firearm stance is a non-starter for me.
Edit: Downvoted for my opinion 🤔. Remind me again how this platform is better than reddit?
Remind me again how this platform is better than reddit?
Well, it’s not the lack of people whining about downvotes.
I largely agree with you, but I also don’t expect a mass shooting victim to be aligned with me on that particular issue. In any case it’s not like I have a say anyways
Not everyone has to argue with you.
A lot of times you’re not worth arguing with but people will still downvote you to show their disapproval. This way it doesn’t look like there’s no disagreement.
If you’re going to complain about downvotes, make sure you also complain about upvotes or else you’re biased and look fragile.
Opinions can be unpopular. Complaining about downvotes is as unpopular on Lemmy as it was on Reddit, if not more.
They sure can. I agree wholeheartedly. Proper etiquette is to downvote things that don’t add to the conversation or are factually wrong.
Why do you think that is proper etiquette?
And there’s an argument to be made that a single sentence stating an opinion with no rationale or justification doesn’t add to the conversation.
But let’s be honest, whatever “etiquette” may be, people here vote how they want, for whatever reason they want.
If it matters that much to you then you might prefer an instance where downvotes are disabled. Or, if you use an app, find one, like Voyager, that allows you to turn vote visibility off.
Why worry so much about someone who downvotes and won’t engage in discussion with you about what they downvoted?
Well when you go through what he did it’s understandable
Absolutely. Though, understanding him is a different question than voting for him.
I get that he’s been through a terrible event, but that’s all the more reason to understand why guns are so important. We’re always going to live in fear of the right because they embrace guns and OWN gun culture. Guns, you know the thing that’s designed to KILL. We’re legitimately and utterly fucked if/when the right turns on us. Who are we going to turn to when lefties are getting slaughtered in the streets?
IMO It’s this anti-gun policy policy that is the main detriment to left ideology in America. I get anti-gun can fly in other Western nations, but not in ours.
It’s nice watching people do a 180 on guns when a gun control advocate wants to primary centrists.
That is 1.11 mass shootings per day.
Americans: “How are we going to defend ourselves without guns thouuughhhh :(:(:(”
I’m all too familiar with shooting statistics. I still think the threat from the conservatives outweighs becoming the villain that destroys the left. Firearms restrictions are the number 1 reason Dems poll so low in many rural areas.
Really? I would love to see your pictures defending your democracy at January 6, 2021 with your guns. Or sure, you might not care about your government. Did you do anything at all with your guns to defend people getting kidnapped left and right, illegally mind you, by ICE? You know, since you are so ready to defend whomever you call “us”. Oh but by “us”, you mean yourself of course.
My dudes going to stop the right because he can get guns from Walmart lmao. Just say you like guns man, don’t hide behind some excuse when this issue is killing children at schools right fucking NOW.
Lol, the guns are for my defense not yours. We’re not nearly organized enough for me to support others besides my friends and family. I was offering advice as to why you should own them to protect your loved ones, but whatever. It makes no difference to me if you support freedom of defense or not. You’re an adult and you can weigh the risks and rewards. Just saying that this socialist won’t vote for candidates that would strip the proletariat of their means of defense. That seems antithetical to our cause.
Whining about downvotes, remind us again how you’re better than redditors?
It’s not much of a whine, but sure.
Maybe consider why he has that position on Firearms? Considering he was the victim of a school shooting as a child during one of the dozens that have happened since Columbine. Funny how school shootings are now old enough for their survivors to run for office. So maybe their stance is respectable, even if you don’t agree with it.
Maybe consider that it’s that very reason why guns are so important. You don’t see that the right are being groomed to hate and despise us to a violent degree? How are you going to defend yourself when some right-wing nut job busts into your home with full combat gear and an AR-15?
If the world was perfect I’d agree weapons have no place in society, but we’re very very far from a perfect world. If this giant rift in American society that has both sides violent towards each other hasn’t changed your mind on firearms IDK what to tell ya.
My dude.
Literally the rest of the world doesn’t have this problem. So let’s start in that reality, unless you have a bunch of school shooting data to prove me wrong.
Australia is a great example of gun control policies and how they can be used to stop public shootings like they did in the 90’s. It worked there, and literally everywhere else it’s been adopted, including here in the US with the Brady Bill. (That lapsed long ago).
I own guns and use them. I also work in a field where they are used often.
So I know what I’m saying when I say that there absolutely should be compromises on what types of weapons are regulated, how they function, and we should without questions require a license to get one like a car. But a conversation about these things needs to actually happen for better options to be brought to the table.
Without Hogg and others, we’re left with a bunch of idiots that think doing nothing as our children get executed in schools is a necessity if we want to have fun with guns.
So I find it hard to agree with anything you just said as it’s mostly a made up terror fantasy you’re substituting as factual to skip over the actual conversation about gun regulations that need to be had.
The difference between your opinion and Hoggs is that his will effectively save children, and yours will let them die.
There’s absolutely a middle ground. And if you don’t like his policies, you should be the one finding that middle as you weren’t the one who was shot in school as a child for the crime of being American like Hogg was.
IDK, in this time where federal goons are going around roughing up civilians and even politicians so blatantly, I wouldn’t want to be caught with my pants down. Things aren’t exactly primed for anti-gun folks in the zeitgeist.
I’m no expert, but I’ve been around conservatives my whole life. Even the moderate ones are not moving one iota on guns. Unless they suffer directly they won’t even flinch on guns. IMO Dems should drop guns on their priority list until this Trump thing is long past us, if we’re so lucky.
And now you know why I said Hogg is a no-go for me, which is my opinion.
I don’t know why you had to insult me for stating my opinions. Surely you know that’s not an effective method to change an opinion. Hopefully those insults will save you when some gun-toting lunatic breaks in at night.
I’m aware of your opinion. I just don’t agree that now is a bad time to talk about kids dying. Because it’s never been a good time. I’ve been told to wait for a better time to have this conversation for two decades, and in that time there’s now hundreds more dead kids making it an even better reason to have this discussion.
We’re adults. We can talk about all the bad things that need fixed, and we can do it all at once while other bad things are happening. Thinking otherwise is how we let this problem grow this big. Becuase it’s been easier to be distracted by bigger priorities (9/11, 2008, Covid, etc) rather than actually work on a solution.
I’m not even advocating for banning guns at all. Just that we should have a conversation - one where we discuss what policy options could fix the accessibility problem of guns while still making your gun owning friends happy.
Yet, I can’t even seem to get close to having that conversation with you without you somehow feeling insulted. Followed by you threatening me with violence you assume will occur to me despite me already saying I own guns and know how to use them.
Why is it that the biggest 2A supporters are the ones who run the fastest away from the adult conversation we need to have about guns in this country? Because at least Hogg isn’t running away from the topic like you are just because it’s a “bad time”
So of course you don’t agree with him. The point I’m making is that if you don’t, it should be you talking about it instead of postponing the conversation further. That’s how kids die. And from my position, at least Hogg is trying to stop it instead of burying his head in the sand as you have advocated for.
So let me make this very clear: Fuck Democrats who want to ban guns, I just want them to be at least as hard to obtain as a car.
And that unfortunately makes me more closer aligned to Hogg. But at least I’m talking about it.
With the way things are going I don’t blame you. Leftists should be arming. It is VERY clear that right wing in this country is a death cult that wants us all in the ground.
That’s my exact rationale.
If the US got their shit together and banned firearms at any point in the last 30 odd years things would have been a lot better though. Like the rest of the civilized world did.
I agree, but now it’s way too late, at least IMO.
