That whole requiring documentation to say you don’t need documentation is so absolutely drunken with power maliciousness.
By the time that exchange is half way through, I’ve already been wrestled to the floor by an air marshall.
“Oh, hang on, silly me: I forgot I actually just had a massive, massive breakfast. Can I get on the flight now please?”
I mean, it kinda makes sense? I doubt you can see the difference confidently between 24 and 28 weeks, and what if the person was lying? Idk what their policy is, but if she was lying and something went wrong, it might cause problems for the agent.
No, it does not make sense, if the policy is “paperwork needed after 28 weeks” you should not have to provide paperwork before the 28 weeks. If what you say is a concern the policy should explicitly say “X paperwork after 28 weeks and Y proof of ‘pregnancy time’ if less than 28 weeks”.
You cannot simply expect people to produce documentation on the spot when you have not mentioned upfront that is needed.
Worked at an airport. The worst part of the job was dealing with the bullshit of TSA. Bunch of useless, self important pricks given unjust authority to harass individuals who are just trying to travel for some performative bullshit designed to soothe the minds of racists.
I’m pissed on her behalf!
Need documentation over 28 weeks, kay, sure, that’s stupid bullshit on its own, but whatevs.
But she’s not. And then they fucking wheedle her.
Fuck off. 24 weeks. Conversation over. Shut the fuck up and do your job.
“I’m at 26 weeks” (actually at 30 weeks)
“Ok you’re good to go.”
something bad happens
“THEY LET ME THROUGH IT’S THEIR FAULT I’M GONNA SUE YOU” and the person loses their job even if they can somehow remember and prove this woman lied.
So your answer is, like always, shitty asshole liars ruin things for decent people.
“THEY LET ME THROUGH IT’S THEIR FAULT I’M GONNA SUE YOU” and the person loses their job
That’s not liability on the gate agent, its liability on the airline (which needs processes for adjudicating when to ask and to document the answer).
This is something that’s supposed to happen during the ticket sale process, not the moment-before-you-get-on-the-plane.
It is literally not this agent’s job to probe. And if she’s worried about liability, harassing a woman who doesn’t qualify for her investigation is a bigger liability concern, particularly if she delays the flight or tries to boot the passenger.
Sounds like it isn’t hypothetical, pregnant liars ruining things for decent people, but the real acual people who implemented the shitty, unclear policy that requires TSA agents to just harass all visibly pregnant women.
Like, shit. Just add “if you’re under 28 weeks you need documentation to prove that” to the policy, so the whole thing can’t be foiled by an incredibly easy lie.
which is why the policy is dumb. it should be a document proving you’re under 28w OR a doctor’s note that says you’re fine to fly.
Yes, its the shitty asshole liar, not the fact our entire system of recompense and accountability is fucking unhinged. I’m so glad we agree.
And keeping that system instead of any better social fprm, well, sometimes you gotta deprive innocent usually marginalized people of their autonomy; it’s just a ‘cost’. Cant beat a puppy to death without havin a few orgasms, amirite?
No better option s were presented. People are just bitching with no one considering alternatives.
Actually checking the time frame of your comment a few people did give you some good replies on options even describing better systems of paper work well over an hour ago(before you made this reply)
In fact someone even pointed out how that would not hold in court either 8 hrs ago in replies. Sure, They could try to sue with such an excuse. Doesn’t mean they’d be successful.
Is it annoying? Yup. But it’s part of their actual job as security. That’s the point: They are the nark. They will face this as part of their job. They were warned they would face this. They signed their name on their contract knowing this sort of shit is expected.
you’re the one who’s bitching here.
So, have you considered a society based on the concept of mutual aid?
Are you familiar with the zapatistas?
How about state communism, like they have in cuba?
Syndicalism?
How do you feel about the municipalism they’re trying out over in the AANES? That looks pretty promising.
Are you familiar with the concept of restorative justice?
Or did you not actually want better options, abd that was just an excuse?
I’m being partially sincere here, but can you elaborate on how one of those would help in this situation?
Okay, before you read this, maybe smoke up and drop your fav psychadelic before reading so you can follow me here:
Imagine a way society was organized where instead of exploiting workers as much as possible to enrich literal ghouls, we either:
didnt exploit people and everything was nicer and everybody was less stressed, and we all got to do things out of curiosity and love rather than fear and hate
OR
We all agreed to be exploited for the collective good and we were all still fucked, but we were fucked to make things better for everyone instead of better for ~3000 ghoulish billionaires
So, like, whichever one you picked; imagine if you couldnt ‘own’ stuff you weren’t using. You could, like, keep it around. Maybe you’re the only person on your block with extra space, so you put the neighborhood tool library or insulin factory in your shed, but its not ‘yours’ in the way your toothbrush or the parts of your home you dont choose to open are yours. You certainly couldn’t ‘own’ the house someone else lived in, or the toothbrush they use (i hope). And we could focus on the best ways to do stuff instead of only being able to have nice things as the fallout from scams, too!
I bet when you imagined that, the construct of ‘blame’ was less necessary, and there was no/less need to obfuscate systemic forces, so it would be much easier to take a solution focused mindset, instead of just crab bucketing each other. Right? And either way it was more egalitarian, so there was less advantage to take of one another. Right?
Listen I’m a syndicalist too, but I’ve seen enough interpersonal conflicts to know the instinct to find blame wont go away just because of a system based on mutual cooperation
You can’t sue someone because you made a dumb choice and lied.
Technically you can try, but any judge would laugh you right out of the courtroom for attempting to waste their time.
This.
People keep confusing “can sue” with “be successful in court”.
You can sue anyone for anything at any time. I can sue you because I don’t like your default avatar. But that doesn’t mean that I would have any chance in a courtroom.
And this is exactly how it should be. The decision whether a lawsuit has merit or not should be taken in court, not somewhere before court. Because that would mean that some police man or someone else with only cursory knowledge of the law would have to decide whether a lawsuit has merit and that would be catastrophic.
No, anyone should be able to sue for anything. And garbage lawsuits should be thrown out of court by a judge and/or jury.
That’s costs money. Ever hear of slapp suits. There needs to be rules around everything because people are shitty sons of witches and always trying to weasle a way around everything.
SLAPP suits are where a bad implementation of that system struggles. The US is a mess in many places and this is one. That doesn’t mean that the concept of rule of law is an issue, but that rule of law is implemented badly in the US.
In other places, e.g. most parts of Europe, if you lose a lawsuit you have to pay for the legal council of the winner. That makes SLAPP suites much less attractive and much less dangerous, and thus they are pretty rare.
Yes you can try but the company would never even hear about it because it wouldn’t get any further than trying to file the case.
Yes that’s what I said.
That’s not how this works. She could also have been fat and not pregnant. She would obviously not be required to prove that in that circumstance.
The rules are clear, she was compliant, the airline agent wasn’t.
I want a gf who would punch her after the "24"remark.
Oh I’m sure they exist. You’ll probably find them on the “no fly list” though.
I know, it’s really annoying when you just want war and someone helps you out to fix it all
I feel this in my very soul. Today I had a work communication from an outside group that my team has a “streamlined” submittal process. The purpose of the streamlining is to reduce the number of documents we have to share and review to save time.
The request came asking for additional documents for a recent submittal and stated that it was their policy since the beginning of the year (I have had multiple submittals since then and this was the first time hearing this). I replied that I would be happy to submit the requested documents, but also directed them to their own guidance document saying that the extra documents were not required.
Their response came back that the documents aren’t required, and that they weren’t going to review them, but they still wanted them anyways to just put in the files. I about lost my shit because that’s functionally the same as being required! I asked if this was from the beginning of the year why is this the first I’m hearing about it?
“Oh we forgot we were now requesting them.”
that airline agent would have tasted my fist so quick
Hey, you look pregnant … are you?
Gate Attendant: It appears you’re pregnant?
Woman: The FUCK I am, are you calling me fat?
#checkmate
I really wish women could just say “how dare you!”
Spot fucking on! Rest in power Andre ✊
I did that once at a birthday party. 21 weeks pregnant and someone asked when I was due. The look of horror was priceless. I had a good laugh and so did she. Her friends were in the toilets (ladies public bathroom) just about, or maybe did, wet themselves from laughing at the overheard conversation.
That’s fucking hilarious!
I was told that you never ask a woman if she is pregnant unless the baby is actively attempting to come out.
Even then, I’m probably just going to assume it’s some weird sex thing and I don’t kink shame…
I am 1000% sure they’re prepared for this because they’ve heard it a billion times already.
You greatly overestimate the competency of TSA rent-a-cops.
Though, the mentioned suggestion would absolutely fail considering most airports do x-rays now. Also, if you’re pregnant, kinda want to disclose that due to the whole x-ray thing.
I don’t think they’ve used X-ray scanners on people in a long time?
Pretty certain they’re all microwave backscatter scanners.
And anyway it’s a customer service gate agent we’re taking about, not the TSA.
I know this isn’t relevant to the post, but why do you need a doctor note for ‘any’ amount of weeks?
The fact that you had to ask this question, proves how far we have fallen.
Someone doesn’t know something? How dare they!
I’m fairly certain the person I responded to is well versed and aware. I was saying that it is sad that the question need be asked. Here’s a mirror for you to continue this non argument.🪞
For all you know that person could be a teenager.
The real problem would be if they didn’t have any interest in learning something they didn’t know about.
Fascist country. Controlling women fascistically. Old white guys who take pills to make their decrepit dicks work on their mistresses and aids and probably children are very concerned about “Gods will” when it comes to pregnancy and womens bodily autonomy.
Something something Margret Atwood.
Its a low pressure, low oxygen, cramped environment that can complicate existing issues a lot more than some people realize.
I know of someone who died because a really bad freak ear infection ruptured at altitude and they bled out before the plane could land.
Its not like planes aren’t safe, its just that high risk individuals and situations need extra precautions.
And adding to that: Depending on the flight you might be hours away from a suitable landing location with usually no medical personell or medical supplies beyond some band-aids available.
If something goes wrong, even unrelated to pressure, oxygen or cramped environment, you might be stuck up there for a very long time before you can get to a hospital.
I thought I was going to die on a plane during depressurization once. My head literally felt like it was going to pop from my forehead and the pain was so immense I hunched over as to not cause panic in the aircraft.
It had happened a couple other times before this particular instance where the front of my head felt immense pressure during the planes decent. It also caused major headaches that lasted several days after the incident.
I looked it up after this event and made an immediate appointment with my doctor. Turns out some 10% of men can be affected by this where fluid builds up in your forehead “sinus pouches” I’ll call them, and during the planes decent it will depressurize. During depressurization this fluid will push against your brain. You can see a similar action with a half filled waterbottle during this time. They implode a little bit. That’s what was happening to my head.
My doctor prescribed me a nasal spray I need to take 30 minutes before take off to drain my sinus. It’s worked ever since.
Aw man you could’ve recreated the head exploding scene from scanners on a plane. That would’ve been the best prank ever.
Glad your head is unexploded though.
Fun fact, they did the special effects for that scene by shooting the fake head with an actual shotgun.
I wouldn’t even be mad if someone next to me popped. I’d be like holy shit I can’t believe I get two arm rests.
Phew, I can finally lie down. Too bad it only happened during descent
Jesus Christ. 😧
I suppose the airlines want that for liability reasons. But I’m curious of ‘why’ pregnant women need a doctor’s note and not, say, folks with heart conditions then. Are there other groups that require some authority figure to give them medical permission to fly or do we only not trust pregnant women?
i would guess it’s less that they don’t trust them, and more that the doctor might do some extra tests to make sure that everything looks okay
heart conditions are typically a long-term thing; pregnancy is relatively short-term so there’s not a lot of time for people to get used to their situation, and there’s a lot to pay attention to
Probably because you might end up giving birth prematurely on the flight and they don’t wanna be liable for anything
The liability thing is definitely part of it but it ain’t good news for anyone involved if that thing decides to pop out over the Pacific.
It can literally affect the citizenship of the baby which I find so strange.
Only the Americas have jus soli really. Everywhere else it’s the parents’ citizenships that matters.
If one of your parents are a US citizen, you are one no matter where you are born.
There are a bunch of regulations to make sure that in most cases a US citizen giving birth abroad, will grant their kid US citizenship. Although the law does not “guarantee” it like it does in most countries outside the Americas.
“Interestingly” the US does tend to apply jus sanguinis over jus soli in case of stateless people.
Interesting it lines up with the new world / old world concept.
Jus soli is important for former colonies, especially those with large permanent colonist populations. It’s an easy way to build an immigrant-based citizenship.
To all my German fellas: This could literally be a Loriot sketch.
Definitely! Loriot would take this situation and at least double the awkwardness.
