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Lemmy being black or white like always. You can be a leftist, vote for the left and still recognize the flaws in your own parties and the good ideologies in the other…
I swear, the left usually calls itself open-minded, but as soon as someone on the right comes around, instead of trying to convince them with arguments, they are being called straight up evil russian bots. So what do they do, they go back to truth social, where they are well treated, and keep voting conservative.
Nothing in the meme that directly names political parties.
Are you someone who calls yourself a centrist but can’t decide if kids should be shot in schools or Healthcare is a human right? Weird.
No, I don’t think kids should be shot, and healthcare should be a thing. But here anyway, the current healthcare system is broken, and some of the conservative ideas are trying to fix it, while the left is fine leaving it half working. While I’m still a leftist, I do recognize their point and am not calling them evil for it…
the meme is explicitly not talking about those people
Honestly I’m talking more about the people in the comments than the meme itself.
Lemmy being black or white like always. You can be a leftist, vote for the left and still recognize the flaws in your own parties and the good ideologies in the other…
That’s very different from asserting that both sides are the same.
Both sides are similar in behavior, not in ideology. Right winger’s are treated just as bad here as leftists are treated on truth social. Both sides are somehow convinced their idea is the absolute truth and the other side is the devil itself.
As long as you’re amoral and self-serving, you can only be a “right winger”, whatever that means. It’s only when you dispel the myth of moral relativism and believe that, yeah, some things ARE wrong (and we should avoid and condemn them, of course), that you can start becoming a person worth existing and worth listening to. And if you’re not very smart nor very brave you might be a “non radical” “leftist” but hey, your heart is probably in the right place so I’m not gonna hate (too much).
lovely flat comparison that only accepts this precise present moment as the only context.
Never mind that the Democrats today are the George W. Bush neo-cons of twenty years ago. Or that the precedent laid down by the Bush admin - and subsequently renewed and strengthened by the Obama admin - are the same legal standards Trump and ICE are now claiming cover under.
The problem is those “Centrists” are the mainstream Democratic party. There is no left-wing in national politics. The left has no one to vote for.
Yeah but you hate democracy if you say that!
The middleground between racism and not racism is 50% racism. That being said, they probably mean centrist in different topics. Blame two party system not the people.
Yes, well…when you’ve been indoctrinated by the internet the majority of your adult life, you (totally unironically /s) view anyone that doesn’t align exactly with your world view as a Totalitarian.
I would say it’s a problem, but at least it keeps you all in a centralized bubble that allows you to believe “we are the majority!!”, without actually impacting the real world.
Said on the internet, by an internet user. Curious.
I am very smart.
I mean, I understand that this is like a very prevailing thing, but centrists exist. Especially in a modern political climate that is this polarized, being a centrist is unbelievably hard to explain to people. The left is convinced that they are very people first and very centrist and the right is convinced that they are very right and very populist.
I mean basically what I’m saying is that this actually emphasizes a problem and people just blindly agreeing with this is also a problem. I would venture to say that most people can’t recognize an actual centrist as opposed to just immediately assuming them to be a right winger. This has happened for over 10 years in my daily life. Before Donald Trump even started running for president, in 2013, I had people accusing me of being either left-wing or right-wing, when in reality, I am very much a centrist. If I use any political buzzwords to identify myself whatsoever, I will then be put into a category that which does not properly define me. I despise the Democrats, I despise the Republicans, and I despise Donald J. Trump. I don’t think anyone in the last 10 years in the entirety of this government has been worth even considering for my vote for president.
But who am I? I’m just one guy.
Please don’t hate me for saying this. I just, I see this meme and I see the comments and I just think, wow, this must be a bunch of people who have experienced like, you know, those weird people who liked Trump but no longer like Trump. My point is that like people continue to say that there’s no such thing as a centrist and I’m not saying that you people are saying that I’m saying that that is a prevailing idea and I’m sick and tired of it and this meme and your comments very much seem to perpetuate that.
Anyway, I’m done. I hate politics because it’s terrible. There’s nothing and no one to vote for. No cause to get behind that will ever truly fix it just by voting. Get active in your community, physically, and improve things on a city-wide level. And then if a ton of people do that, we’ll actually see change. That is if these tariffs don’t literally destroy our entire economy. #AmericaisrecessionproofsolongaswethreatentheFederalReserve
In a nutshell, what this meme is about is all the people that we’ve run into who say, “both sides are bad,” because they believe the Republicans lies about Democrats, and the Republican talking points on issues. Actual centrists, in Republican lingo, are “the far left.”
Disliking politics and all the current political parties doesn’t fit the technical definition of a centrist.
It’s not that centrism can’t exist, it’s that it’s commonly used as a thin pretense to cover actual partisan leanings, usually right-wing (by the general global metric, not just the US one).
Additionally, abstinence isn’t commonly a good approach by which to assert a legitimately central stance. A lot of the time a legitimately central stance doesn’t exist in a practical sense.
As stated by a commenter above “The middleground between racism and not racism is 50% racism”.
I personally think concept of “centrism” isn’'t viable, not because nuance and context can’t exist but because the “center” often isn’t a useful target.
I may be left leaning, but I am also afraid of giving voters more power over the economy. Everything we do in housing, which is something people do have a high degree of control, is screwed up. People also want a huge amount of social programs but low taxes.
I run into this on dating apps. “Centrist” and “apolitical” are both code for “conservative.”
“Both sides bad, bit aT leAsT tRuMp iS hOnEst aBoUt iT!”
The Honesty:
“You won’t have to vote anymore”
“Dictator on day one”Nuance is inconvenient to radicals and fundamentalists.
The US has little nuance. Your dominant parties are Fascist and Far-Right Neoliberals with some token LGBT rights.
I’m not American, luckily.
He’s a troll, don’t bother.
Another one I noticed is they say shit like “well they’re saying two opposite things, so you cannot know the truth”. Mother fucker, if you dig a tiny bit the truth is out there, waiting for you, but they cannot accept one side is lying (it’s theirs)
Guys we have to vote in the people who lost to fascists because of their inability to make meaningful change.
We have to vote them in, you don’t get it, they will make everything better despite never doing it once in the last 30 years!
Please guys! They said to me things will change while saying the opposite to their donters! But that doesn’t mean anything this time.
Just ONE MORE ELECTION
DON’T YOU WANT TO SAVE DEMOCRACY YOU FASCISTS?
DON’T YOU LIKE SHAME IN ABSENCE OF POLICY?
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THE NEOLIBERALS ARE MY FAVORITE MASTER.
Your mommy never taught you that throwing a tantrum and pissing on the floor is not how to get what you want. You didn’t get the crayon color you wanted so you broke all the crayons and now you don’t have any crayons. You fascist enablers are worse than the fascists themselves because you should at least know better but you’re all just infantile assholes who want to hurt everyone else cuz you’re only getting 90% instead of 100.
Gtfo pls and thank you
You’re somehow incapable of seeing that you just described your own political ideology.
Doing nothing, whilst being very shitty, is definitely better than doing active evil.
This has been the rhetoric for 50 years.
The last 50 years have lead to where we are now.
It’s time for new rhetoric besides “well the best we can hope for is a steady decline instead of a drop!”
Nope. Isn’t happening, no matter how much you promise the devil.
Wtf does this even mean?
Look into how democracy falls to fascism. One of the common traits is the far left and the center left fighting each other while a unified right takes control.
And you choose to contribute to it instead of letting leftists have a turn after 50 years of stagnation.
I’m done coddling the Neoliberals.
Well if you want fascists to keep winning you have to right attitude.
We have well over 50 years of evidence that attempts at top down change always backfire. If you don’t want weak willed beholden people being nominated for leadership roles. Focus on filling all the offices beneath them with people who aren’t.
Even had Sanders made it into office. He would have struggled continuously to accomplish anything with all the people underneath him.
It is a literal yet unfortunate fact that we must hold our noses and vote for anyone who stands a chance at beating a Republican in a national presidential election. Until such time as the parties have been taken over by people who wouldn’t nominate someone like that.
Here’s the hitch:
It is a literal yet unfortunate fact that we must hold our noses and vote for anyone who stands a chance at beating a Republican in a national presidential election. Until such time as the parties have been taken over by people who wouldn’t nominate someone like that.
This strategy guarantees that the parties will keep nominating someone like that. (After all, they keep winning.) There’s no mechanism for replacing the party leadership in it, nor any realistic scenario by which it would happen.
That’s nonsense. Literally improving the pool of candidates will improve those selected. Further once enough are replaced, they will be able to accomplish things regardless of who’s president.
There’s literally no point in replacing the president if the congress opposes them.
Okay, which version actually happened over the past 50 years—yours or mine?
Mine. We focused on the top and lost everything including the legislative base.
In the late seventies the unions didn’t feel that Democrats had done enough for them so they decided to punish carter. By not endorsing or supporting him. In the end we lost both Carter and the unions. If only They had focused on addressing the legislature that could have actually changed something. And not let Reagan get in power.
This isn’t an isolated example. In fact, of the three branches of US government. The presidency is one of the least useful ones to hold. It’s nice to hold. But if you want to actually pass laws Etc you need to legislature. And a court that isn’t beholden’s big business to instantly overturn it. With enough people in the legislature they can force the president to sign it with a veto-proof majority. The president can’t do any of that. At best they can make me transition Smoother by agreeing to sign the legislation. But that’s it. It’s basic civics I guess they don’t teach that in school anymore though.
This already happened in 2016, why am i the only one who remembers?!?!
Supporting one side of the Duopoly keeps us in the Duopoly forever.
Get over the democratic party, many already have
I’m an anarchist, but can acknowledge reality. Stop spouting nonsense and get over yourself. The rest of us have.
Nah this time the Neoliberals can get with the program or get out of the way.
Or do you hate democracy?
How are you gonna save democracy unless you vote for the people I tell you to vote for?
Oh my God, you found Emmanuel Macron!
On the other hand, the kneejerk of labeling every even remotely centrist viewpoint as inherently dishonest is pretty annoying. My own views lean SocDem and I’ve found voicing any opinion which is neither solidly left-wing or solidly right-wing, especially if it does not align with very American-centric views of the political spectrum, often elicits unpleasant reactions. Nuance is hard, I guess.
As an anarchist. The seething hate I’ve received for pointing out. That the genocide in Palestine is truly an appropriate both sides thing. That it wasn’t just Biden or just Harris. That it was our senators, our Congress people, and the executive branch.
That it was going to be a Republican or a Democrat that won the presidential election. And we all would definitely prefer it wasn’t for the Republican. Or that if Fox News covers you without wildly editorializing or smearing you. You done fucked up. You could be forgiven for thinking I had just strangled their grandmother’s from the reaction.
Could you give an example of a centrist viewpoint that you’ve voiced that would be labeled as inherently dishonest?
Being in favor of mixed economies, with stock markets, venture capital firms, but also universal healthcare and protection for unions. Being against American style basically unregulated firearm ownership (which seems quite popular on both the far left and far right, yet maybe not so much in the middle). And I feel free to criticize the actions of parties or politicians across the political spectrum, not just those on one side. I understand many people, especially the political left which I sympathize more with, are very angry these days. Justifiably. So am I. But being accused of being dishonest just for having a different point of view is annoying.
I genuinely appreciate that response thank you.
