ah yes lets make things harder on service workers just because they exist. As someone who has 2 degrees and is underemployed because our society is corrupt and broken: fuck this type of behavior. I suppose next there will be a meme about bullying fast food workers for being worthless members of society. ha. ha. where funny.
I use the self-checkout so I don’t have to talk to anyone.
Same
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Self-checkout is the best thing that happened to shops, I wish more had it. No waiting in long lines, no talking to people. Perfect.
Idk why people complain about self checkout. I absolutely despise having to interact with someone at the store. The fact that I have to be around all these purple is bad enough please don’t make me talk to them.
I love self checkout. It allows me to scan avocados for my daily avocado toast as russet potatoes. Only 50 more years of that and I’ll be able to afford a house!
I pictured the people overseeing self checkout calling you the potato guy amongst themselves
We 100% know and 95% of us don’t care lol.
Also, if any readers want to try this, the people most likely to care are older workers, but they’re also the least likely to notice.
My local Kroger now will say the name of the item you just keyed in very loudly. “Put your bananas in the bagging area!”
“PUT YOUR HEMORRHOID CREAM IN THE BAGGING AREA!”
That’s not where it goes!
I imagine it’s just the items you select from a menu not the scannable ones
Going “beep” (optional) and just pocketing every other item does the trick too. At least at Aldi. They skimp on security.
I work in a secure area that requires every person entering to have and show id to security, whether you’re recognized or not. They have these scanners that tell them if you’re allowed or not. sometimes the scanner doesn’t work, so they’ll have printed sheets of paper that I’m sure is the equivalent, just takes longer.
One day I came in, gave my ID, heard a “beep”, got it back and continued on. About 10 seconds later my brain caught up to the very obvious vocal “beep” that came from the security guy. I have no idea if they just decided to say fuck it that day and let all the fun people in, or if just the speaker wasn’t working and they were just having some fun.
If I worked for a self-checkout manufacturing company I’d record myself saying “beep” as the beep. And “Ruh-roh” if it didn’t scan.
Your aldi has self checkout? None of the ones around me do.
When talking about Aldi you should know which one you’re talking about. It’s either Aldi Nord or Aldi Süd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldi
It’s 2 different stores both using the Aldi name.
In the US, it is Aldi and Trader Joe’s
Neither of the messages in the comment chain implies the US.
But aren’t you terribly glad to be informed of this fact about the US now?
I literally posted the Wikipedia page for it.
If you move to SF you’ll have to learn credit card fraud
(not all SF^, and in SF it’s only certain neighborhoods that do this)
Especially if they play this hand
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hmm I guess nobody reading here today would ever steal for fun, just out of necessity (b/c otherwise this security escalation is annoying: lots of waiting, maybe fine by me but not overworked/mobility impaired folks etc)
Anyway, learned that liquor stores in India might operate exclusively with this method!
PS: UBI when!!
I live in Germany. No locks here except for expensive stuff like laptops. Everything else is protected solely by the honor system. I’ve even pinched some of their e paper price tags for tech projects. They really can’t be bothered.
I go at my own pace since I’m doing their job essentially. It’s their fault they didn’t put enough self-checkout lanes. It gives me time to bag and organize everything logically before returning to my vehicle. If they wanted speed they should either hire more cashiers or build more self-checkout.
Fuck that I’m there to get my shit and go, the less interaction the better. For me, personally, it’s ideal.
Sucks about the low paying jobs tho =/
To me, this has always been more of a boomer complaint.
Those self checkout lanes are only there so they can cut jobs while charging more for groceries.
I’ll defer to @whotookkarl 's comment as they put it best. No one “wants” those jobs.
I don’t “want” my job either, but I do it to make a living. If local jobs disappear from the community so some rich guy can add another million dollars to his pile, that reduces the number of entry level jobs available locally to people getting into the job market with no safety net in place for them. Just so they can not pass the savings along to us.
The grocery store in which I used to work has been desperate to hire cashiers for years, really since the start of the pandemic. There were some days that we had only two lanes open because that’s all the staff that we had. During busy times, the store manager, the store owners, and sometimes the managers-on-duty would go up to the front to do check-out. The store installed more self-checkout lanes out of necessity.
Nowadays, I go shop there only in the evenings, and there are enough cashiers because they’re all high school students. But the help-wanted sign at the front of the store is still offering open cashier jobs. They’re certainly not eliminating jobs that people desperately need.
I’m asking this sincerely: where are those people working now? They gotta be working something, right?
Sorry, I’m not in a position to know. It would be very interesting if an investigative journalist looked into the state of employment from the perspective of workers these days to put together a bigger picture than one store.
The things boomers complain about aren’t always wrong. I ain’t their damn employee.
I’m also not an employee of the vending machine company. I’m also not an employee of the gas station.
I don’t really see what added value a cashier checking out my items for me has.
Imo, they’re only there for the company to promote ad programs and discourage stealing by being there. Otherwise, they just make the store experience worse? Unless they give me a discount for using a cashier, I ain’t doing in.
That’s not an apples to apples comparison. I am buying a single thing at a pump: fuel. I boop my card. I stick nozzle in hole. I pull lever until it stops. Vending machines? Second verse same as the first. I boop card. I push button. I take chippies, I walk away. Vending machines specifically are purpose-built for self-service.
I spend maybe 30 seconds to 3 minutes at these things. The only work I do is tapping my payment and pressing a button or two. Groceries are a whole different animal. It’s scanning, weighing, coding, bagging, loading, and paying. It’s a fuckton more involvement by the customer. I don’t think you can in good faith compare self-checkout to a vending machine.
The business is incentivized to trick you into performing labor for them. Part of the cost of my groceries is for someone to have a job doing that. If I’m gonna do that labor for the store, I should get an employee discount, at least.
I don’t think you can in good faith compare…
Ooh, that’s just one of my pet peeves. Such a stupid fucking phrase. The only way to know if you “can’t compare” two things is to do a comparison between them and come to the conclusion that the two things are very different. I can compare self checkout to a kumquat if I want to.
Now for some actually useful conversation, let’s compare number of steps for vending machine vs self checkout (since that’s the closer of my two examples).
Vending machine:
- insert payment
- push button to select items
- pick up item
- repeat all steps until you have the number of items desired
Self checkout:
- scan item or place item on scanner/scale and push buttons for item type. This only counts as one step, because you are never doing both to the same item
- repeat first step until you have all items desired
- insert payment
- pick up items
It’s the same steps in a different order.
scan as you cart and self checkout is like the others.
There was also a time when people would get pay to press an elevator button for you. But we don’t do that anymore because those things are super easy and having someone doing it for you won’t make the process faster.
On the other hand, the thing that pisses me off the most about the self-checkout is that people take forever to scan their stuff. When I was working as a cashier I would have an average of 50 clients/hour. There ain’t no way those self checkout are more efficient considering the time people take.
They are quite a bit more efficient when you consider that there’s only 1 staffed register open, but 8 self checkouts open.
And why is that? Could it have anything to do with the fact that the business benefits by making the customers the employees, too? Would a business be in any way incentivized to make paying customers also perform labor for them?
So? I get through checkout faster because I don’t have to wait behind old people who take a fucking eternity to find their wallet. For me it’s a win/win. It sucks that some people will lose their job to it, sure. But that’s what happens literally every single time society progresses. I’m also not sad about the manual telephone exchange lady losing her job.
Of course they are. What of it?
The majority of these self checkouts also rate limit you intentionally or otherwise (likely due to weight checking on the bagging area). I know I can scan a lot faster than they let me given a proper setup
And this answers the question.
Someone who isn’t experienced with doing this scanning regularly takes longer. Especially if you have to put in codes for produce or something else with label or scanning problems.
From what I’ve seen, the slower average time is made up for by having more of the stations. Depending on arrangement, you can fit three self checkouts in the same area as one traditional checkout. In my experience, the self checkout line is always moving faster overall.
I always wonder if people complained about stores when we started to get the merchandise out of the warehouse ourselves.
Something like, “why isn’t there a clerk getting the groceries on my list for me, I don’t work here, I shouldn’t have to go into the back and get my own shit.”
I prefer bagging my own shit anyways when I go shopping. I don’t break shit and at least in my area it looks like they disabled the weight shit or set the tolerances higher so I’m not constantly told to bag something I already did or getting told I bagged something without scanning .
Now it’s pretty good actually.
I mean, sure, I’m not there employee either, but I’m also not going to be snarky with a similar response.
Like most things, the answer lies in the middle. You should be able to choose either.
People working those jobs aren’t from a passion for registers or retail commerce. They don’t have many options or can only work part time to accept a low paying job with few responsibilities other than keeping accurate count when making change. I’ll prefer cashiers until we have better social support for people that need those jobs.
I agree 100%.
I mean we can agree on some things, no? I literally want to stand there while someone checks out my stuff. I have to work to pay for stuff? Oh sweaty.
If I have to self checkout, I should get a discount since an employee was not needed.
That discount is negated by the higher theft rate.
If you are worried about theft, don’t bake in opportunity.
That’s why they removed the self scan stations. It was a short lived experiment.
Where? My region has only gotten more.
Western Europe. Pretty rural place. Self scan seems to work better in cities around here.
Sure, I’m not saying it’s exclusively a boomer complaint, just that boomers tend to complain about it more from my perspective.
I’m all for getting out of there as fast as possible. If I’m in line at self checkout and a cashier says “I can get you here”, I’m over there.
But generally, I prefer self checkout.
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You can always bag yourself, they will absolutely let you do it.
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We are waiting for you at self check out as well Unless there is no line at all.
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Same problem and I’d prefer we pay a cashier and a bagger. Not a computer and a slow bagger.
Hahaha. Humans are so silly! My preference is the exact opposite of yours, but the reasoning behind my preference is the same. I strongly prefer a cashier over self checkout because I prefer to bag my own stuff, and find it easier to do that while someone else scans.
Very few of the places I shop lately even have a bagger, so I don’t usually have to ask anyone not to help. I find most self checkouts frustrating because there’s no space for scanned items to sit before bagging them.
I also usually plop my card down on the card reader once the cashier starts scanning, so I don’t have to bounce back and forth between bagging & paying.
Having somebody bag your items is such a USA thing.
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Cashiers everywhere around here stopped to put things in the bags for at least 10 years now. I still remember the good times when the bags were carefully and properly put by them with all the items magically fitting. Good old times. Nowadays there’s barely a difference between self checkout and using a human operated one. The main difference is that on self checkout I’m not rushed and can take my time to put the items how I want in the bags.
This is such a boomer take.
Nah fuck that, the machines are scabs, I want someone to earn a paycheck for work.
I’d rather they do a more fun and fulfilling job than to do menial tasks just because it has always been like that.
Shit jobs disappearing is a good thing.
It is a mistake to assume that “shit jobs” disappearing will coincide with better jobs becoming available.
It’s shit work that most people don’t want to do.
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To maintain capitalism
…Seriously? This is your defense? Do you for some reason think that if we all used the self-checkout system that capitalism would vanish? Is OP the one at the helm of whether or not capitalism lives or dies? It all rests on his shoulders, not the status quo or the endless pursuit of profit by billionaires and politicians?
If supermarkets were autonomous, you’d be homeless living in the ally next to them, capitalism alive and well.
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I have never met a machine that offered to weigh your bags before you start that didn’t immediately fuck everything up if you accepted that offer
Nah fuck that ain’t having time to hang around the whole checkout lane bullshit just to luddite around.
All that’s going to do is pull employees from other areas of the store when it gets busy and the rest of the time they will have like 2 cashiers. Even if they did switch back to registers they won’t hire a significant amount of people.
When I worked at Walmart I absolutely hated being sent up to the register. I hated talking to customers and I didn’t like that it took me away from finishing my job and my manager would argue with me about why my area wasn’t done when they sent me up to the register for 6 hours and therefore did not have the time to finish my work.
Then you will pay higher prices.
I load garden shit at Lowe’s. Sometimes we get blown out and people bitch for faster service. OK. We can always hire more people, any given business’ top expense. Then we charge more. Then the customer bitches about prices and goes to Home Depot. Where they don’t have as much staff. Rinse and repeat.
Banks had no problem slapping a “Teller transaction” fee on withdrawals when ATMs became ubiquitous, to encourage people to use the ATM for free.
I want
shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work lessto pay more to compensate actual human beings doing actual work and I’m not kidding.
If I look at this topic the American skewedness is so obvious.
In Belgium the only thing you get by going the old fashioned way is they scan your shit and push it off at the end or you need to rush to put it in your cart. Same in The Netherlands. There are no baggers.
So yeah, let me just scan my items, put them in my bags like I want them, scan the thing at the self checkout, put scanner in tray, pay, walk out.
Every so often you get a bag check and if less people cheated on their scanning there would be less of that (is what they hope you think)
I don’t know how the self-checkout is constructed in Belgium, but in the US (at least, the stores I go to), the self-checkout is a small kiosk with a small weight-sensitive platform where you bag your groceries. You’re supposed to scan each item and then place it in the bag so the scale can register it, and then scan and bag the next item, and so on. The problems are that:
- The technology is buggy and doesn’t always recognize that you’ve bagged an item, so it locks up and won’t let you scan your next item until an attendant comes to assist.
- Certain items like cooking wine or cough syrup or matches require proof that you’re old enough to purchase it (again, an attendant has to get involved)
- If god forbid you take a second to rearrange items in one of your bags to make more room for your next item, the stupid machine nags you and then - yep you guessed it - locks up until an attendant comes.
- The machine-monitored security camera sometimes misinterprets what it sees you doing. For example, one time I was done scanning my items and realized I was still holding onto my shopping list, so I tucked it into my pocketbook as I was getting my credit card out. The camera must’ve thought I was stealing something, so it locked up until an attendant came to review the video footage.
- The bagging platform is too small for a full week’s worth of groceries, so it’s really only useful if you’re picking up a handful of items, meaning you still need to go through an attended line if you’re doing your weekly shop.
Honestly I prefer bagging my own groceries, and if the problems with self-checkout were fixed, I’d be happy to only do self-checkout. But the way it is now, it’s annoying to use.
In my supermarket they don’t have the scale under your bag and no camera, and the plagform is just big enough for a weeks groceries, so it works a lot better
American here. Haven’t had most, or any, of the hassle in a long time. #2 is a fucking pain though. Yes, I’m 54 and am allowed to buy spray paint. OTOH, the attendant usually clears it before I even notice.
Your self checkouts oversee bagging and lock up constantly? No wonder you hate it.
Yeah most self checkout at grocery stores is hot garbage for all the reasons you mentioned and more.
My favorite self check out experience is at Uniqlo. You walk up to what is effectively a plastic bucket with an iPad attached. Toss your shit in the bucket it shows you what it thinks you put in there and you click ok and tap you CC. It takes like 30s.
Grocery stores are just cheap and won’t put the 5 cent RFID tag on things.
Haha, I want to believe the thing just guesses what you buy 😂
The only time it’s ever useful for me is when I have to come in and grab 2-3 things fast.
I hate that it basically kills cashier jobs and I hate having to do a weekly grocery on them because of how shitty the systems are… It’s to the point where I’ll avoid places where there’s no cashier the day I do my grocery or do it online and pick it up or get it delivered.
I hate that it basically kills cashier jobs
It was kind of a dying job anyway, checkout operators have a higher turnover rate than other departments in retail, because enough people still like to treat checkout workers as some sort of indentured slave, people don’t want to be treated like crap at work by customers and checkout workers seem to catch the brunt of that because they can’t walk away from the situation.
I work in retail and quite often get pulled out of my department to jump on checkout and even when I’ve stopped my job to put these customers through, they still want to have a go at me for the fact that self service exists.
If we could all be chill with checkout operators we would have more checkouts open.
Also I know most people are chill, but the ones that aren’t chill, make it not worth coming in.
Around here there are a variety of supermarket solutions. Morrisson’s for example near me has about a dozen cashier lines, usually 3 or so open unless there’s a rush. They have a self-checkout section like people are describing, with the small bagging area (about big enough to cage a toddler), maybe 10 of these. They also have a trolley self-checkout area, which is the same but has a bagging area big enough to cage a lioness.
M&S have cashiers, basket self-checkout, and a third scan-as-you-shop section, where you put things in your basket and scan them, and on your way out you put the scanner back and tap your phone and bag stuff, or if you’re using a trolley, just push it out to your car, whatever.
The store nearest my house, where I shop a lot, is a bit more upscale. They’ve installed fancy self-checkout kiosks that tell you to continue scanning items while waiting for the attendant to come deal with an issue. The giant, discount grocery store with locations on the edge of town have enough room that they’ve installed self-checkout lanes that have about a 2-meter conveyor belt to a large bagging area. It’s enormous.
We had that weight platform system like early days of self checkout. It sucked hard and thankfully they just gave up on it.
Do still have age checks when buying alcohol and doing self checkout
Polosh self checkout:
- One cashier per 6-8 machines, on watch to take care of age verification or occasional lockuo
- Machines do lock up when weight doesn’t match…and unlock when scale decides that it’s okay after all. Happens sometimes with lighter things, or when someone fucks up values in software (once met error where buns were 900g per piece xD Cashier gal was busyyyy that day, had their fixed code, but until it got into menu, they had to punch it themselves)
- Age verification, of course, is there
- There’s only scale. Sometimes you need to also scan your receipt to leave. That’s all.
Sometimes that cashier taking care of self checkouts even gets their own command center - console that can allow to give age verification without physically moving or to bypass weight alerts (useful when cashier sees from far away you carry, for example, hair bands. )
American here. Love going to Aldi. Cheap as hell and I can bag as I like it. (My first job was grocery bag boy, I know how I want it.)
I think Amazon tried that here and shut it down
This only works in a respectful society that isn’t exploited
So one in which Amazon doesn’t exist!
Then just wait in line.
Any mistake during self-checkout and my local supermarkets will consider it shoplifting and pursue it all the way to court if needed. I’m not running that risk.
Lol as if…
Article in Danish where the head of public affairs for COOP, one of the largest retail chains in Denmark, explicitly states that they’ll report anyone who forgets to scan even the smallest item.
Yeah ok
Speak for yourself. I had a security guard who watched me scan then try to run up to me when I finished to recheck my stuff.
Like dude, you watched me from the beginning.
What colour is your skin?
I like the scan and go in the Sam’s club app. Scan the items with your phone, and if the QR code receipt is visible when you walk through the gate thing they usually wave you on without a person checking.
Self checkout (at least in my experience) is now just become “regular checkout” with extra steps.
Each time I scan an item it refuses to scan, so I need to wait for an associate to approach me.
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This hasn’t happened to me in years.
Lasers read the most fucked up UPCs now days. I can point my Lowe’s phone at a filthy, half-torn UPS, in sunlight, and it reads. I’m more surprised when it doesn’t work instantly.
This is user error.
Should be MAX like 5% of items give you an issue. That’s mostly just due to age approval for some items.
So if you buy 20 items each visit, you’ll always get one item. 5% is a lot.
The age approval thing you either misunderstood or you just tried to put words into NarrativeBear’s mouth.
I guess you don’t understand the use of the word MAX.
Essentially the only time I need assistance at self checkout is when I need age approval. Not sure how that means I’m putting words in someone’s mouth.
Not sure how that means I’m putting words in someone’s mouth.
Because you claimed it as a fact instead of saying it was your experience.
Ah yes, “Should be” always precedes facts. How could I be so foolish.
My local grocery store self checkout after every single item:
Unexpected item in bagging area.
If they’re going to treat me like I’m stealing the groceries I’m paying for, making the process slow and inefficient, then I’m just going to go to the regular checkout and not deal with it.
I find it fascinating around here that all the self checkouts do that except Walmart which is actually pretty good. I usually go to the cashiers at other places because the self checkouts suck, and the cashiers bag stuff better than me.
Walmart’s self checkout probably doesn’t accuse you of stealing out loud. They want to wait until they can “prove” you’ve stolen over $1000 worth of goods over time so they can charge you with - I forget - either grand larceny or grand theft, which are felonies.
Yeah and if you have alcohol you wait eleven minutes for the one employee who is supposed to be helping, to actually notice there are people waiting. Then she realizes five people need help. Gets the cigarettes for the one guy but it takes three trips to the cage and back to get the right ones. Helps the lady with the coupons they grabbed the wrong items for. Helps the really old person who can’t even stand scan and bag all of their groceries (why were they in self checkout anyway?).
Finally comes over to my white-bearded ass after 20 minutes and they could just hit the “customer is over 40” button, but they want to see my id. Yeah I’ll just wait in line for the one cashier.
This problem is caused by shopping at busy times, not self-checkouts.
Haven’t heard that in forever. It was hell for some time, but it seems a solved problem everywhere I’ve gone, for many years.
Maybe I should give the ones near me another try then - thanks for the heads up.
There’s a sensitivity setting that can be adjusted. At first most stores were set to +/- 1oz, so even legitimate items that have varying packing weights could set it off. My local stores have adjusted it so that you really have to put something heavy on there to trigger that alert. They also don’t seem to care if you take stuff off the scale anymore, which is nice because it’s never large enough even if you have an item limit.
Can we talk about how ridiculously tiny the shelf is. On both sides, but especially the first side when you begin to check out. It’s roomFor like a gallon of milk that’s it.
