• HalfSalesman@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    As an American, I’m fine with the US no longer being the most influential anymore, as long as the most influential country that replaces us is a democracy. Preferably much more democratic than we are.

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    8 days ago

    Depending on whether it is a slow self dismantling or a rapid explosion the US will either be a lot less, or a lot more influential.

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      8 days ago

      American empire has barely started toppling, this is gonna get a whole lot more fucky before “was” is an accurate label :(

  • Chainweasel@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    I know America deserves all the shit we’re getting right now.
    But I feel like like people in other countries are being a bit cavalier about the fact that they’re locked in a room with America and it’s got a loaded gun.
    Trump may be an idiot, but he has the world’s largest army and a nuclear arsenal at his fingertips.

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      8 days ago

      I used to think he was a big dumb dumb. Then January 6th happened and I quickly realized he was a dangerous idiot and I haven’t been the same ever since.

      I’ve been watching history repeat itself while I’ve been surrounded people who still act like Trump and his cult-like followers are still a bunch of silly dumb dumbs.

      I’m too exhausted to have any words to say anymore.

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      8 days ago

      It’s very much the “you’re locked in here with me” moment.

      It’s been a bit concerning seeing all the people just giddy with the prospect of millions of people dying from internal issues, either idiotically not understanding or simply being too naive, that when an animal dies, it doesn’t go quietly. Especially not when it senses the cause of its death is near.

      And I believe enough people will view the rest of the world as the cause, I genuinely think if it came down to losing control permanently or causing the literal end of the world by launching as many nuclear and conventional strikes as possible before death takes them.

      Personally, I don’t relish the downfall of any major country, and despite other countries issues I’d rather see them overthrow their tyrannical governments than grab popcorn and cheer as they crumble to civil wars and starvation. That just seems a bit too close to being “arch villain from a cartoon” for my taste.

      I’d really like to see the Cure For Fascism being used here in my own country, but unfortunately “be the change you want to see in the world” just leaves a dead crazed lone gunman in the street. Organization will be needed.

    • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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      8 days ago

      Republican America is not a loaded gun. It’s a deranged rabid coyote. It seems so obvious: don’t fight the rabid coyote. No one will win. But we’re trapped here with it. Its taking its bites out of everyone close to it, and everyone else. What the fuck else are we supposed to do? Lie down and take it? Stand on the table and try to keep away? No one is coming to save us. This will not go away. They will not surrender.

      The only way out is through; for Americans to start their civil war to disrupt their regime or, if they can manage it, figure some other way to oust their fascist government and their cult. To all the Americans fighting the good fight, keep it up, the world literally needs you.

      The Republicans have already proven the laws mean nothing. They’re already boasting plans to stay for a 3rd term. There’s no waiting this out.

      So, bring it on, you fascist fucks, let’s fucking go.

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    8 days ago

    It took me a while, but I finally understand why “may you live in interesting times” is a curse.

    Ooh boy.

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      8 days ago

      This isn’t the deathbed though. We still have by far the most powerful military in the world, a huge foreign policy apparatus, and a large integrated economy. This is like if your asshole boss comes down with a mental illness and just starts going nuts. Sure, it’s bad for him and could be kind of good… but there’s a high chance you’re going down with him.

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    8 days ago

    Yeah, I’m sure it’s funny to anyone who has disliked U.S. policies and I don’t take issue with that, but I really wonder if you’re going to be laughing when Russia and China fill the power vacuum left with America’s collapse and suddenly those countries are in control of the world’s shipping lanes.

    Fucking morons. America has made shit moves, to be sure, but they supported the majority of the world’s population against far more authoritarian regimes. Revel in your cheers, you fucking idiots.

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      We’ll see, won’t we? It’s not like USA are the the first empire to fall. The next empire will act in their own interests just as the USA has done.

      America has made shit moves, to be sure

      I think that’s an understatement. It’s got some things right. Due process (at least for US citizens until the war on terror) was a good idea, but that seems to be a thing of the past now aswell. It never really thought the international rules they instated applied to themselved though.

      but they supported the majority of the world’s population against far more authoritarian regimes

      Like in Iran, where they orchestrated a coup de’tat against Mosaddegh? I wonder who reigns in Iran now… Surely after the helpfull intervention of the USA and UK their leadership is even more democratic and liberal now.

      And I am sure their intervention in Irak had nothing to do with oil and was all about the chemical weapons we’ve all seen by now. I meand, yes, they were pretty secular back then and had a similar standart of living to us. So what, if the islamic state today is a direct consequence of US intervention and the power vacuum they left behind?

      And the indescriminate poisoning of millions of Vietnamese had nothing to do with deformed children beeing born. They had to be protected from their own authoritarian goverments, you see? What are a few handicapped children in comparisson to that?

      I could go on forever, but you get the idea. In my eyes the USA never was a force for democracy or freedom, but their own (and as an European my own) benefit.

      I doubt China will be any better, but at least from what I’ve seen so far their imperialism seems to be mostly economic (though they might simply be biding their time).

      I’m sure they’d exploit any weakness they find in us, just as we’d do to them. So basically same old story… And who’s cheering this exactly?

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        Say what you want, that’s my point. If you think the world will be better after America’s fallen, just wait and see. You’re a bunch of fuckin’ morons. As much as America had its sins, it was a stabilizing force in the world. Don’t fucking complain when you see the aftermath. Just don’t. Whine as much as you want, that’s all you ever do. Wah, wah, wah, no National creates my utopia, and it’s all because they don’t do what I think should be done! You’ve got tons of criticism but you can’t actually identify a solution. Grow the fuck up and acknowledge you don’t have the answers you think the world needs.

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        8 days ago

        Every political move Donald Trump (Krasnov) has made since he lived in Russia has been an order from the Kremlin. Like he lived in Russia for years, changed his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican, married a Slovenian escort with ties to the KGB, and then ran for president as a Republican with the full support of Russia’s and China’s troll farm operations (confirmed by the FBI)

        And Russia and China are allies.

        So anyone paying attention can see this is Russia and China attempting to dethrone the US as the boot on the neck of the human race.

        And TBH I’m a lot more afraid of China’s boot considering the dissenters dissappear.

        Be careful of Chinese troll farms invading these spaces to push their messaging as the US is dropping the ball.

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        7 days ago

        Uh, No. the PRC is far more poised to take over the role of international leader than the EU are. Not necessarily a bad thing, I would argue, but I really don’t think the EU could get itself in line to be world police/masters quicker than the PRC

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        7 days ago

        That’s the problem with Lemmy: anyone who disagrees with your anti-American sentiment is labeled far-right. No chance an American liberal could possibly disagree with you, right?

        Fucking bigoted pieces of shit.

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      8 days ago

      and suddenly those countries are in control of the world’s shipping lanes.

      Is fascist, xenophobic America supposed to be better?