I didn’t mean for this post to cause a bunch of arguing in the comments =(
I thought this was just some gallows humor (e.g. “Everything’s lovely except that I have to fear for my safety all the time”) type of shitpost that sounded similar to comments I’ve heard from women irl a lot.
Bitch wouldn’t be so scared if she had mad bo staff skills… Napoleon tried to show ya’ll, but everyone just laughed… Tina you fat lard come and get some dinner!
It’s a shame that women molest 13 year old boys.
At night on walks!? We are talking about the dangers of walking alone at night. Are 13 year old boys afriad to walk in the park because they will get jumped by pedophiles of the opposite gender?
You mean women are also capable of committing crimes? I’m gonna need some more sources for an outlandish take like that.
OP’s take is outlandish. This is just keeping the same energy.
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Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
When a female teacher sleeps with a male student it is international news because those are very popular stories that get a lot of clicks (you know why).
When a male teacher does it, it’s local news for maybe a week.
This can lead stupid people into thinking there is a endemic problem with female teachers abusing male students, but that’s like thinking it’s easy to won the lottery because there’s always lottery winners in the news.
Two things can be true at the same time.
except the implication kikutwo’s trying to get across here isn’t true at all. stop entertaining this garbage. one instance of something happen is not equivalent to an immense amount of something else happening.
Wtf level of misogyny are you on that this is your response
Get your misogynist ass outta here.
Yup, still a misandrist piece of rotten garbage.
I’m a misandrist? How is it not misogynist that every single fucking time violence against women gets mentioned on Lemmy, a million ex-reddittors crawl out of the woodwork to change the subject? Nobody is saying that women can’t be murderers or molesters, but the thing is: a woman is way more likely to be, say, murdered by a man than another woman or the reverse. Because we have spent thousands of years building a culture where men are taught to see women as lesser beings.
No one is saying that violence against men doesn’t exist or that it is acceptable, let alone for a few ter’f’s, but the fact that people like you feel the need to bring up violence against men really makes me question your motives and honestly, it just feels like some lemmings simply want to silence us every single time misogyny and violence against us is brought up. There is time and place to talk about both sexual and physical violence that men and boys face, and it absolutely is a topic that should be discussed, but that time and place shouldn’t be every time misogyny is being talked about.
Hilarious reaction to a factual article.
Wow, a single article being used in a feeble attempt to overstate a trend that’s almost a magnitude smaller than its counterpart, and that doesn’t compare very well to the topic of the thread?
Gee, I wonder why people aren’t convinced with you spewing facts.
Where is the attempt to overstate a trend? You make things up that don’t exist.
you literally said “women molest 13-year-old boys” as if it’s a common occurrence the way men raping women is. the best you could do was cite one article about one case. you know exacly what it is you’re doing. stop playing dumb.
Your point is “look at what this one woman did” as a counterpoint to “women can’t go out at night because violence is so prevalent”. How am I making that up? That’s literally what you’re doing. Lol
Yes, don’t go outside at night because Boogeyman everywhere. Whatever.
Yes, basically. Except there’s no boogey but a man. Welcome to womanhood. 😉
it’s a statistic fact that men commit an absurdly high amount of sexual violence against women. the best you could come up with is ONE article of ONE case demonstrating the opposite. go fuck yourself.
And you wonder why women feel uncomfortable around you.
It’s not a contest bro
There has to be something seriously wrong with them because they chose to reply like that, scary deflection
You got a snort laugh out of me in an otherwise stressful thread. Thanks.
You’re part of the problem. You hear that violence from men is too high, and rather than think what you might help do about it or how to avoid adding to that statistic yourself, you feel threatened by it and try to defend yourself with whataboutism.
Ironically, it’s probably this kind of emotion immaturity that leads men to violence more. Please, critically engage with these ideas and learn some emotional maturity.
GFY.
Use your words.
You first bitch
Why do you males always get so emotional when the adults bring up facts and logic??? 🤣🤣🤣
That’s ironic considering I post a link to a factual article about a current case and am met with hostility and hysterical responses.
I mean… you’re the one being hostile and hysterical now too telling people to go fuck themselves instead of defending or elaborating your point.
Decorum isn’t called for when attacked for posting an opposing circumstance article.
Oh I’m not criticizing your lack of decorum. I’m criticizing your hypocrisy.
hysterical responses
Alrighty there little guy, did you think a single data point is representative of a broader societal trend or something? Damn, boys are total arse at statistics.
The shitpost contains the over generalization.
It’s really not that deep. Why can’t men just take a joke?
Women can’t murder?
oh for fuck’s sake you know this is full of shit. just because women are technically physically capable of doing it, that doesn’t mean they’re statistically an equal threat.
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Well, yeah. Who is doing the overwhelming majority of the murdering? And why does this fact bother upstanding men at all? Are you not secure in your ability to convince others that you’re not a threat? I have no problem with that at all.
Physically, it’s impossible for a woman to murder a man. They have tiny hands like Trump.
They can, but you are 7.5 times more likely to be murdered by a man.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/
I wonder if that’s only for the USA, does that apply to other countries as well?
Got you covered!
“A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that men account for an average of 95% of all persons convicted of homicide”
There’s more thane one reason someone might not be convicted of homicide and it’s not always because a homicide didn’t happen.
Certain minorities have higher chances of committing crimes as well but treating them differently based on that is textbook discrimination. Weird how one judgment is okay and the other is not.
Mf really whinging about racists not being allowed to say, “Despite…”
Pathetic.
Not 7.5 times higher though. No other factor is as big a predictor as gendered violence. Men commit violence against women and other men much, much more often than women do.
And if you are a man, you should be just as mad because the chances that you are a victim of a violent act by another man is much higher too.
Not all men are violent, but men and women are both victims of the anger of this small-subset of men that we have been unable to identify what else they have in common beyond gender.
that we have been unable to identify what else they have in common beyond gender.
Don’t look at a breakdown by race or google 13/52, you might find that generalizing based on demographics and using it to fearmonger like you’re doing is in actuality a tactic also already used by racists to other the outgroup and scare their base too. Don’t worry though you’re fine, it’s only bad when they do it.
Gross to me that multiple comments here are ignoring this reality. Crimes committed by men against women in situations like that are so common that women aren’t protecting themselves unless they consider every unfamiliar man a potential threat.
Obviously women can also commit crimes against men, but its so much less common that I don’t have to take precautions to protect myself against them.
As a man it kind of sucks when you are assumed to be dangerous even when you aren’t, but you need to get over it. Its not worth it for women to compromise their safety, and assume you to not be a threat just to make you feel better.
Obviously women can also commit crimes against men, but its so much less common that I don’t have to take precautions to protect myself against them.
Yeah, I’ve never had second-thoughts about walking past some dangerous-looking women or checking over my shoulder to make sure some woman isn’t following me home. This is a regular thing that women deal with, and pretending that the experiences are anywhere close to equivalent is odd.
It’s dark and night, how can you tell gender?
People are afraid of anything in these situations, but they justify it by using men as an excuse, even though, you wouldn’t tell it’s man or women, until it’s too late anyways….
Well general body shape and height are pretty easy tells.
It is not an “excuse.” If I’m attacked by a man at night, I will have a more difficult time protecting myself than if a man was attacked at night, on average. Not to mention that you have to ask yourself, what is the attacker after? Because being sexually assaulted or raped is so personal and awful that it’s natural to have a higher amount of fear of that outcome.
Like how if you were equally likely of being jumped at night by a stranger as you were of being abducted and having spiky metal spears shoved in your urethra… you might recognize that’s it’s not super likely you’ll get shot, but you would be way less likely to risk it since the fact that sounding is just too awful to chance (for the vast majority of the population).
Also… my sample size is too small to be statistically relevant, but 100% of the men I know are sure they could “take” a random female attacker.
Unrelated; asking that question was difficult but not for the reason I expected. It was like a game! “Do I have super powers in this scenario?” “Is she armed? Am I armed?” “How much time do I have to prepare?” And my personal favorite, from a particularly well-traveled friend- “Is she like a random person, or one of my exes?”
100% of the men I know are sure they could “take” a random female attacker.
Until she’s your roommate’s girlfriend, he’s out of town, she comes into your room when you get home at 4am off a 12hr shift dishwashing when all you want in the world is food, to pet your cats, and to sleep until 2057, and forces herself on you complete with grabbing your wrists and the phrase “no you don’t understand, this is going to happen,” and then you realize that while yeah you probably could use physical violence to stop her even though she’s actually bigger than you, legally even, who are the police going to believe? You, or the crying woman who knows she can weaponize the entire justice system which doesn’t even consider it rape for her to do that (it’s legally defined as “sexual assault” at worst since “rape requires penetration” so woman can’t be charged with rape in my area)? I guess this is happening and I’m going to feel guilty about it for years even though I shouldn’t, fucking cool.
Violence and rape is more likely to come from someone you know than randos on the street, and ime while women who wish to victimize people don’t have the upper hand in physical stature, the ones so inclined know how to weaponize the justice system effectively enough to get what they want.
And btw if a woman is randomly attacking people on the street meth is usually involved, they shouldn’t be so confident.
I can easily see if it’s a women or a man just based on how they move from a distance.
I guess it depends on how dark it is. If it’s pitch black, nobody can see, but usually you have some shape you can see.
You don’t live in a very dangerous area, then.
I keep an eye on everyone, even a woman with a kid in a pram (assuming the pram isn’t just an empty decoy) could try to mug you, people get desperate and chavs get violent. Always keep your head on a swivel, don’t trust anyone at face value just because of their gender or what they look like.
I live near one of those areas. And while I’m weary of some shady women, it’s quite a common trend that women get creative and men get brutish.
I’m more worried that the woman may pickpocket or deceive me first way, way before she pulls a weapon out on me.
It’s not enough to point at a dangerous place and be like “see how bad people are?” but you also need to be be granular and observe the trends in behavior.
That said, I have been warned of a gang of three men and one woman who have been accused of mugging folks in the neighborhood. But even that is rare to hear. Will it ever be three women and one man?
Edit to fix autocorrect.
Crimes committed by random strangers against women are practically non-existent. Women absolutely need to fear their creepy neighbors or angry ex, as people they know are the actual risks.
you dont need my validation but here it is anyway, thanks for being cool and normal about things so serious as this :)
As a man it kind of sucks when you are assumed to be dangerous
Sorry I didn’t assume you were a pussy. My mistake.
Is it really common though? Looking at the generalized US stats its seems that 95%+ of women murdered are by a person they know. Where as for men that stat is 78%. Its pretty rare to get murdered let alone murdered outside on the street. Most* people fear strangers because of news events not because of likelihood.
Random murders just aren’t common and random women murders are even less common. Even rape and sexual assault the stats of random attacks on the street are very low. https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend
This is for the US, I’d expect it to be far lower for most other countries.
I just want to know how these figures would change in case women were to change their behavior and start going out for late night walks.
I think part of the reason we see these numbers instead is due to women’s apprehensivess in the first place, but I could be wrong.
Hard to say. I see women out walking alone at night all the time in my city, at least a handful just past my house every evening. (It’s a university town.) I passed one woman happily chatting on her phone, and oblivious to the world, while riding home tonight after dark. The last time anyone was attacked by a stranger was, I dunno? It definitely happens, but it’s years between instances. They’d probably be safer in the late night hours, with hardly any car traffic. A lot more people get killed by cars.
I mean the honest reaction is if someone wants to stay home to not get murdered. Fine, I couldn’t care less and it’s stupid for me to have an opinion on that, you live your life.
But it’s a sort of catch 22 that you’ll only go outside if you can be sure the figures won’t change significantly and the only way to see if the figures change is to try going outside.
Isn’t that kind of the point, that it’s an inherently broken situation?
Yeah, but what’s the point? Technically you can avoid all murder if you stay at home in your bathtub all day and never leave the house.
I believe that this sentiment is fueled by social media and people seeing crazy events from all around the world. I think we could compare this to stats from 50 years ago to see if there was a major difference.
Women are murdered less often than men. It’s simply irrational for women to be more afraid of being murdered than men are.
Haha… You may be right about how often it happens, but no woman is going to feel safe because it rarely happens. Women can get kidnapped or beaten up or raped too… It’s not a safe world.
It’s not a safe world for guys either but at least we are built to take a few punches without breaking an arm.
Nothing is rare if it happens to you.
Truth.
This also depends on what kind of roads you have to walk on - highways suck for nighttime walks, because not only are you constantly on edge to try not to get run over, you also need to walk for miles to get anywhere.
Suburbs are nicer, but the best is to walk in a park, but that raises your chances of getting murdered by a lot so idk
I don’t know where I was going with this. I lost my train of thought.
You’ll be fine if you just keep away from Assault Av., Murder Blvd., Rape roundabout and Stabbing St.
/S
My suburb neighborhood is filled with walkers and it is super unsafe at night. They decided when they built it that they didn’t want to to create and maintain sidewalks and street lamps, so people always walk in the road and the only lights are the lamp posts at the end of people’s driveways. And almost nobody wears reflectives, or carries lights or anything on their person. Particularly when you’re blinded by an oncoming car’s lights, it’s nearly impossible to see people until you’re right up on them.
It’s so stupid and shortsighted. Living environments are not just the inside of our homes - it includes the outside, the neighbourhood, and the options you have to travel in and out of there. All of this together decide your quality of life inside your home.
Don’t for a second think it’s by accident. This was done to make areas less accessible to ‘undesirables’. After builders and realtors were told to stop forcing PoC into specific areas, they just went ahead and built suburbs that you basically had to have a car to access, ensuring poorer people were kept out.
In the US walking outside is generally terrible even in the suburbs.
but the best is to walk in a park, but that raises your chances of getting murdered by a lot so idk
Is this a vibes-based take of do you actually have any stats on the matter?
Fwiw, the best is hands down a walk in a still kind of crowded city center. Few things bring as much security as eyes on the street
That’s your problem. You’re supposed to be walking, not riding a train…
Easy solution: bring a bear. Much less chance of being murdered, and the bear gets to shit in the woods. Well, park, but close enough.
Easy solution: live in a safe country! We have no fears of night walks in Canada.
The 184 murdered Canadian women of 2024 might disagree with you. Especially Indigenous women, 24% of the total. Of course some were murdered by their husbands/partners, probably not out walking, but the majority were killed by strangers or mere acquaintances.
This comment isn’t about violence against women comment. This is about safety of walking at night in cities. So just because I say it’s much safer to walk at night in Canada DOES NOT MEAN I AM DENYING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN DOESN’T EXIST. Sheesh the logic of some.
In all of Canada? Every city? All of Toronto and Vancouver? Wow I’m impressed that rape, murder and assault never happen there.
Compared to the US, yes it is much much safer here. I would be scared to walk late night downtown ANYWHERE in US cities. Here, that’s never been a problem.
I’m going out on a limb and saying you’re not a woman. There’s no place on earth I could say I’d never feel unsafe walking alone at night. Although I’m less nervous in my own neighborhood in Los Angeles, just because it’s familiar.
I did delve into your history to check before I spoke. I now know a lot more about Myanmar, (which was fascinating and took me so far back into your posts as to get creepy, my apologies ) and the NFL, and btw you’re doing great at adding content to Lemmy, but the only posts about women’s issues were the Toronto Tempo and one about abortion pill access that’s consistent with your sound views on the present shithole US administration, and you didn’t add any personal comments to.
That’s kinda creepy. I don’t have to go out on a limb to say you’ve never been to Canada while I’ve been to the biggest cities in the US. I live in Toronto. While I am a man I know a lot of women in my life who walk at night DOWNTOWN. And nobody would tell them they are insane to do that. It’s not an issue here. It behooves me that you all assume the world is like the US. It isn’t. Yes there are bad places to not walk at night - certain ghettos for instance, or a certain small city in the prairies with a reputation. The large ones - Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal in most parts are safe for both genders. Come and visit us sometime. Summer is better.
I have been to Canada twice, Quebec and Toronto, and I wouldn’t walk alone at night in either.
Edit: I guess I would if I absolutely HAD to, but I’d be uncomfortable as fuck about it. And I wonder if your female friends are as casual about it as you believe.
Where do you get your reference points from? Social media? Movies? Shows? Or personal experience from walking in lots of downtowns? These statements just reek of not first-hand knowledge to me and just “oooh crime ridden OTHER places” Sure crime exists, but it’s the broad strokes that make me disregard statements like that. I’ve been to plenty of very safe downtowns in various corners of America, to say ANY US city is insane.
Are you 12 fucking years old?
Nah you’re just sheltered.
Are you saying living in a safe country is bad? o.0
Unless you’re indigenous, then there’s a risk…
Cops even take you on starlight tours. So safe.
Instructions unclear, hid roadkill bear in Central Park
Until your bear meets RFK jr in the park
I wouldn’t say I love murdering, but it is a neat little hobby to pass the time.
Would you like to join my Hobby-Murder-Group? We meet twice a Month to drink, smoke and play MarioParty and murder of course.
Getting your star stolen in MarioParty is probably the leading cause for most of the murders.
No those are suicides.
I’m trying to cut down myself.
Just one little murder… As a treat.
Luigi: “Treat yoself!”
That’s not murder, it’s defense of innocents
I mean, it’s both.
People really need to get out of their head about illegal=immoral.
Luigi is the Robinhood of our times.
I’ve earnt it this week!
#selfcare #mindfulness
I hear some people get over the cravings with a homicide patch.
*black men
what’s 13/50?
Nazi dogwistle.
It’s a reference to the statistics that despite the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the US population they are responsible for 50% of the overall crime.
“Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”
While the statistics themselves are accurate they are far from explaining the whole situation.
Precisely, especially when you take into consideration things such as racial profiling
You are 10x more likely to die by falling, car crash or unintentionally poisoned than get murdered.
You are 20x more likely to die by falling, car crash, or unintentionally poisoned than get murdered, as a woman.
Women are actually much less likely to get murdered in general.
Stop villainizing men. This is equally as idiotic as villainizing POC because they have higher crime rates Dont sink to the level of the GOP by generalizing. The unfair alienation of young men is real, and ultimately cost us the election, just so we can feel better than them.
Random woman: I like late night walks, but I’m scared for my safety.
This thread for some reason: YOU DON’T THINK MEN GET SCARED? MURDERED!?
Like, chill. Yes, men can absolutely be murdered/hurt walking alone. But are we really going to sit here and act like women are making up their concerns/grievances out of spite? For some reason, if anyone mentions a general concern/issue related to women’s experiences with men, some people trip over themselves to say how it’s actually not an issue and how it’s actually so much worse for men. If I’m listening to a male DV victim and I go, “well, actually, women are more likely to be victims of DV. You know, it’s actually not even an issue for you. Here, look at these numbers that prove that women are the victims. Do you not mention it because you hate women? Why are you trying to ruin our spotless reputation as delicate flowers that can do no wrong with your lies”, you would think I was nuts, and for good reason.
If you see something like this and get angry at women, you have a problem.
At best it’s a problem with reading comprehension. At worst, you’re worried that things like this could get in the way of your murdering-women hobby.
The problem isn’t men who love to commit murder but women who love murderers
#feminismkills#feminismkills
True. One evening I was in our living room witth my family when Feminism broke the window and killed my father to the death. 😔
Libtards will make fun of me for this but your father is far from alone: victimsofcommunism.org
Feminism is just cultural Marxism. Go read a book
sometimes we get the sarcasm but the joke just wasn’t funny lol
Fair enough
I blame women.
For not murdering enough. The streets would be safer if men had the same fear.
Men are killed more often. But men generally have less fear. We go boldly unto death.
That’s not being bold, that’s supression of risk assesment and reduction on consequence sensitivity. Brought on by testosterone.
who’s killing the men?
Victim blaming.
when you totally know what words mean
Predominantly other men. But that doesn’t make it ok.
Relax, David, you might get attacked or killed on your way back from work, but I don’t feel sympathy, because it’d probably be done by another man.
The reality is anybody can feel unsafe at night, and everyone is valid in thinking so. Women generally feel more threatened because, despite being far less likely to be targeted, they’re also far less likely to be able to resist their attacker, which is also very reasonable.
i didn’t say it makes it okay or that i’m not sympathetic. this thread is full of “but what about men tho” takes to discredit the fear women reasonably have of being attacked by men. they don’t have to worry about women nearly as much. the original post stands true regardless of whether or not men are also affected, which they are, and perhaps they should consider doing something about it instead of just dismissing the concern all together because it came from a woman.
Psychopaths can’t feel fear
I too support women in men-dominated fields
I blame women.
😡🍴
For not murdering enough
😮💨👍
Wow calling for the death of innocent people based on gender.
The fuck is wrong with Lemmy upvotng this.
its a joke fella.
I’m thinking more of a voluntary program.
That shadowm’n on her 1am walk is gonna get away if I’m with her and she ices me right there in the park 🫠 she’s allowed to do it. It happens all the time…
I blame women.
For not murdering enough. The streets would be safer if men had the same fear.
I mean, most women probably have experience with cleaning up blood.
ive had 2 (and a half) nosebleeds this week, can confirm.
(I’m fine it’s just the dry+cold weather)Cold weather plus cocaine has that effect
I wonder if that’s throwing off the statistics.
Yup, and as a guy, I am not going home with two women that approach me in a bar after I flash some cash. Know your attackers and keep safe from them.
Oh cool we’re back in … 2010? and we’re doing FBI crime stats discourse again, except this time we’re doing the breakdown by gender instead of race.
God forbid men do anything
Anything like a little murdering, a bit of kidnapping, and a little raping? What else am I supposed to do??
Let men have fun
god forbid women have a perfectly reasonable fear of the people who make the streets unsafe for them to begin with
