Stethoscope theory.
Tankies are just right wingers with zaney lines they drew themselves.
Trump is more left wing than your most left wing tankie.
I’ve seen it before, but I’m not completely convinced tbh, Tankies are authoritarian communists because they believe it to be the path forward and get rid of capitalism with the authoritarian part only being wielded against businesses/owners
Right-wing authoritarianism is all about control because racism, a 6000 year old fiction book and the rich
There it is. I was looking for the comment that contradicts the meme.
I’ve said this before, and been(more than) down voted for it, but I want more conservatives, more tankies, more anything I don’t outright agree with. People will say how bad person in their echo chamber is in their echo chamber.
The early internet was so scarce it was important to find like minded people. Today the internet is so widespread it should be the opposite. It takes 5 minutes to find a entire platform filled with people who all think like you. That’s how we got flat earth conventions.
I’m confident in my beliefs and opinions, which is why I want them challenged. I want to think critically, I want difficult rhetoric. I want my world view to be challenged. I want to be uncomfortable.
Me too - I can live happily with the fact that not everyone thinks like me; but I still want to know what the other people are thinking.
the bubble helps no one, remember everyone on tiktok tweaking when republicans were winning, they were also in their own social media bubbles and never see any of the “woke” mind changing type posts, mfs out here praising trump for low gas prices like they suddenly dropped when he won and haven’t already been low.
I’d rather not talk with people that genuinely hate me, and/or want to kill me thank you.
That’s a hard pitch to a platform known to be unflinchingly rigid about maintaining their wind tunnels.
Problem is, they don’t argue in good faith, no matter what evidence or arguments you bring to the table no matter how long or short they’re right and you’ve just been subjected to brainwashing/propaganda.
Nor is it a debatable political position to be spread Nazi-ism or bigotry (which is what most right-wingers do)
istg whoever solves this problem will win a fucking nobel prize.
It’s already solved. You kick the reactionaries out. It’s just that a lot of people struggle to accept the solution.
So you’re an authoritarian who wants to control dialog and define good and evil based on your own worldview? I’m anti racist, anti nazi btw before you start throwing strawmen at me.
So if you’re anti nazi, would you engage once in a debate on whether the jews really destroyed the German economy and Hitler was protecting his people, or would you tell them to fuck off?
Isn’t defending a viewpoint with evidence kinda important even if you think the viewpoint is a “no brainer?”
Nobody owes anyone on the internet a well-researched argument, but those who are up to the task of making them can be pretty influential. Maybe even start to chip away at the corruption of people who have fallen to intolerance propaganda… not all of them are doomed.
One of my best friends is a former manosphere incel. I’m a former perpetually-offended Tumblr SJW. Both of us changed our viewpoints because people pointed out flaws with them. Not everyone changes their viewpoints but some do—though likely not when confronted only with “fuck off”
I think it’s better to make fun of people for their stupid beliefs. When they realize nobody takes them seriously, they may reevaluate their positions. Did this happen a lot to you and your friend?
Yeah, the marketplace of ideas doesn’t really work because people can just lie and other manipulative tactics, and people (yes, you and me too) fall for it (you are not immune to propaganda).
I agree wholeheartedly. I’m a weird mix of politics, radically left and radically right and also sometimes the middle. The radical middle, but fuck centrists. I almost never find like minded people and that’s why I’m here. And why I get banned from echo chambers sometimes. That used to mess with my head. That was a long time ago. I just don’t give a fuck.
Please tell us your radically right policy lmao
Not OP, but here’s my radical right wing belief.
I say we deport the immigrants. ALL the immigrants. I mean anyone in the US that is an immigrant, or descended from an immigrant. Time to kick them all out! Anyone who isn’t descended from the native population, back on the boat. And damn it, this includes myself!
Damn straight! And I think I found the place that disagrees with me the most. Even Tumblr in its heyday wasn’t nearly as left wing
This only works when they engage in good faith. So no, you don’t want more tankies and conservatives, because most of them are incapable of that. Their worldview requires that they do not.
Agree, but I think there are lots of people who are a bit more on the fence, or playing around with ideas. If someone says something stupid out of ignorance or inexperience, and they get blasted for it, they probably aren’t gonna learn much from it, and they might go hang out with the people who responded well to it…
Obviously if you try and it turns out they understand what they are saying, and are doing it intentionally, they can get fucked. Problem is it’s hard to tell sometimes, and not many people have the capacity to tolerate that behaviour enough to find out.
Idk… I’m not sure I want all their racist shit echoing around in here with us.
Plus all that paradox of tolerance stuff
At least we can all hate each other with public logs. I have said it many times: I hate everyone equally.
But I will say; my favorite racial slur is sand person.
im indian, growing up someone called me that so I thought i was allowed to say the n word because I was a sand one lol, like pokemon
You are allowed, just not to American black people as an insult :)
You probably just shouldn’t but the history of the word is on your side.
The n-word was applied to Indians and anyone dark enough by the British. Americans made it solely an African thing but if you read Victorian era British authors they’ll use against anyone brown. Kipling’s stories are notorious for him going along and just dropping random n-words about Indian characters in otherwise pleasant circumstances.
Lulzzzz ya I’ve heard outside of Hamburgerland saying the n word is not a big deal at all. Funny how american centric global social media platforms are when 90% of the population that isn’t American doesn’t give a shit. Can understand why using it IN the US is a stupid fucking idea ofc, say that to the wrong person they will beat the shit out of you.
its only an issue here because theres a reason for it to be, people 100% say it with the intention to aggravate ppl or act like they are above them because of their history, I never really thought about how other countries see it lol
Definitely not generally acceptable here in Australia
Absolutely yeah the people who say it in hatred are why it is taboo. It’s just a word. Albeit one with a toxic history
Lulzzzz ya I’ve heard outside of Hamburgerland saying the n word is not a big deal at all.
Not true and I suggest you don’t try it in any english speaking countries or you are liable to get your head kicked in.
Yeah? Ok n. Go to China and see how they call black people’s just straight monkeys to their face. Or anywhere that isn’t western. Theyll treat you like literal dirt. Cuz they’ve been programmed to think black = poor/criminal. Maybe if Africa had less warlords they’d be doing better. Or if they hadn’t enslaved their own people to sell to the euros. If you’re black and read this and are mad: you should kick your head in so that we don’t have to deal with your pissy bullshit.
I literally said english speaking countries, genius. I’m also in china right now on holiday and nobody calls black people monkeys to their face. You speak like a white little incel who’s never gotten a passport.
Ok boomer. You sound like you got bullied in highschool kek
Can understand why using it IN the US is a stupid fucking idea ofc, say that to the wrong person they will beat the shit out of you.
So it sounds like you don’t understand why using it is a stupid fucking idea. It’s not about physical assault, it’s about not being a fucking racist dickhead. Sincerely, not an American.
Are you seriously lecturing me, an american on Lemmy about racism? What country are you from? China? They straight call black people monkeys to their face in China 🤣 tell me what other country gives a shit about racism more. The Nordics? The ones who are swinging hard right now because of migrants? You should really check yourself.
You sound butt hurt
Twelve down votes right now lmfao
I injected ivermetcin infused raw milk into my veins so that I can get the REAL news quicker.
nice. You saw that new Joe Rogan episode too?
Broadcast into my retinas via neuralink.
It may have triggered my nose to bleed incessantly but I KNOW this is because I didn’t take my ONNIT & ALPHA BRAIN
That’s onnit o - n - n - I- t
It’s entirely possible.
Since most people here seem to be American, the problem is their worldview. Nowadays “right wing” in america just means insane people. Americans have lost all sense of nuance, everything is black or white.
I agree. For example: how would you Americans view this music video form almost 40 years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9lObWclFQ&list=RDGMEMJQXQAmqrnmK1SEjY_rKBGA&start_radio=1&rv=UHChZIHePic Made in socialist Yugoslavia. Right wing? Left wing? Authoritarian? Nutjob?
Unlike the right wing parties in Europe and Asia that aren’t fascists, right?
Nothing scary going on in France, Russia, Hungary, Korea, Germany, Romania, Austria, Italy…
There’s not that many democratic countries that are as or more right-wing than the USA. A few western democracies’ right wings are still left of the USA’s Democrat party.
It is all relative within and without each country, so it’s really hard to have an objective discussion about it between countries.
That being said, fascism seems be having a renaissance; which sucks hard. So, yeah, there’s scary shit happening everywhere.
Meanwhile moderates on both sides think all of you need to desperately touch some fuckin grass.
Seriously I am very worried about the mental health of like 97% of the people on here.
Yeah, it’s just Reddit 2.0 over here now. A left-wing echo chamber.
I stick to tech and plants on here, and use it less than I thought I would.
I would argue it’s worse than reddit in terms of the average political leanings of users. I have seen overwhelmingly far far left users around here. The few reasonable moderates I’ve seen are getting downvoted for incredibly normal comments. Then I recently found the conservative sub and that place is just a mess. Even in their own space all the posts and comments are downvoted.
I am genuinely concerned for these people. Shutting everyone down and running away from people you disagree with doesn’t make them magically disappear. It’s just creates more division and less understanding at every turn.
It’s not even just a problem here though. Even in my own family the far left thinking and shutting out all who even slightly disagree leads to problems. I tried to warn them that Trump was probably going to win and they didn’t believe me. Being in California and surrounded by deeply blue/left people 24/7gives you a warped sense or reality. The bubble is so big around here that many people don’t even realize they are in a bubble.
Oh yeah, the conservative sub is ridiculous too…but it’s contained. The left shit is everywhere around here. It’s like oxygen.
I got sorta yelled at on here for “only attacking the left” and I was like… I can’t attack people who aren’t around now can I?
I have seen like one or two "right"comments in the sea of lefty circle jerkin that’s permeated this entire site. It really is as abundant as oxygen around these parts.
I’m still gonna stick around and attempt to engage in meaningful discussions from time to time, but I have already had comments deleted and been banned from subs for saying very normal and accurate things. Now I’m not surprised that I was banned from the Vegan sub instantly, but still. The mod abuse and censorship here seems even worse than reddit which is honestly kinda impressive.
May we one day find a home that isn’t inundated by extremism.
Sadly I don’t think that’s ever going to happen. The unfortunate reality is that both forms of extremism tend to slowly pull at people from the center over time. Even if we got a group of moderates around someone would get mad and get pushed one way or another more. And thus the cycle repeats.
It’s the classic “what radicalized you” meme. All of us are extremists in one way or another. We just haven’t had something push us over the edge yet.
I would argue it’s worse than reddit in terms of the average political leanings of users. I have seen overwhelmingly far far left users around here. The few reasonable moderates I’ve seen are getting downvoted for incredibly normal comments.
i think it’s gotten considerably worse since the election, which is to be expected, from both sides.
I need to go make a eudaimonia post i think.
Seriously I am very worried about the mental health of like 97% of the people on here.
im worried about the US voter populous, they seem to have left any semblance of intelligence where they were born.
The important thing is that you found a way to feel superior to both sides.
I don’t feel superior to either side inherently. I’m just sitting here in the middle seeing how absolutely brain rotten both sides can be.
Neither side can apparently see how fucking insane they sound because they both think they are objectively correct about absolutely everything at all times.
I’m not sitting here going “you’re both wrong” I’m sitting here going “will both of you please shut up and listen to the other side once in a blue moon for the love of God”.
I’m not even an “enlightened centrist”. I actually lean left, but because I’m not “left enough” I get downvoted for daring to call some of these delusional fucks out on their bullshit.
I’ll have you know at least 20% of my shitposts have been posted while I was outside.
So there!
My favorite activity is making controversial shitposts and then taking an hour long walk
Look at you! So trusting!
At least 102% of people here need more mental health support (margin of error at .5%)
Here. Everywhere. The whole damn planet is in desperate need of better mental health support.
Unfortunately, the Blue would be shaking hands with the Conservative.
Hexbear literally promoted Trump before the 2024 election. Tankies love Maga.
They’re is no definition of conservative that would apply to Trump or any maga. They are much further right than that.
Wanting to undo progress made and empower old ideologies is the definition of the words politically conservative.
That’s Trump’s whole agenda.
biden funded a genocide for years
trump gets a cease fire day 1
who is the harm reduction candidate now?
everyone that voted blue for that reason may your shame and guilt burden you for life
And they’re always bitching about batshit things on conservative.
HOW DARE BIDEN GIVE MONEY LAUNDERER ZELENKSY MORE MONEY. HE IS SURROUNDED BY IT IN HIS CASTLE.
Like bruh shut the fuck up.
Lol did you see the one where they’re complaining about Lemmy “censorship” because their shit takes get downvoted to hell lmao
“reality has a left-leaning bias”
Yeah, and the sad (for them) truth is this is their free market action they love. I see your shitty opinion, I downvote it. Turns out they can’t handle that when they can’t obfuscate their unpopularity
getting downvoted is my kink though. I live for takes bad enough that they just bait people, while some others realize it’s actually just satire.
The classic ‘schrodinger’s shit post’ tactic:
Step 1:
Post something bonkers.
Step 2:
If people don’t like it:
ElOhEl yoU’ve b33n trolle3d, fucking 1d10t!
If people do like it:
Ah, Mrhrm, yes, my extremely erudite and informed opinion is in fact based, as seen by the preponderance of evidence.
…
In other words, the action of an attention and validation seeking malignant narcissist who is incapable of ever admitting they were wrong about anything, who is either always correct and should be recognized as an authoritative source of knowledge, or was obviously joking and you’re an idiot for taking me seriously.
You must like what I say or it is cEnCoRsHiP!!
Ha ha yeah, lyckily they are kind of few.
Tankies when someone who defends any western action appears: fucking right wing nutjob
Other instances when someone who is traditionally considered left wing appears: fucking right wing nutjob
Right wingers when someone left of centre appears: I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
Now which way are people going to drift based on those interractions?
You can’t complain about how splintered the political landscape is without ditching the “us vs them” mentality and finding common ground (of course with the caveat that fuck people who make discrimination a key part of their personality and people who celebrate oppression as clearly they aren’t reasonable people)
Right wingers when someone left of centre appears: I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
Lol this is just pure fantasy
I guess the username checks out.
Brool story co.
Right wingers when someone left of centre appears: I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
I wish I lived in your fantasy world.
You can’t complain about how splintered the political landscape is without ditching the “us vs them” mentality and finding common ground
Watch me. Right wingers have been taking steps backwards every time a compromise is made with them for as long as I can remember. The only common ground remaining is that we’re all mortal.
I pretend to be a cat every day, and you live in fantasy land more than me
Right wingers when someone left of centre appears: I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
I see you haven’t met my family.
I don’t think you’re right but you make valid points on xyz
this is 100% just cope btw.
to be clear, lemmy is the equivalent of being on like, far right community forums. So it shouldnt be surprising that people are very commie coded here.
You’ve met different online right wingers than me lol. Maybe you are just on left platforms. I think both sides have the full range. We just see nicer right wingers on a left platforms like lemmy. That’s the only way they’d survive lol.
Do you see right wingers on X responding politely on average? Leftists on X are also very intense.
I think it is more acceptable to be a raging leftist on lemmy. I think X promotes intensity. I think most people that would sit and chat in person would be capable of a calm and productive conversation.
You’ve met different online right wingers than me lol. Maybe you are just on left platforms. I think both sides have the full range. We just see nicer right wingers on a left platforms like lemmy. That’s the only way they’d survive lol.
this is 100% true, it’s just that the right tends to be more politically engaged and active, than the far left, because the far left is a little bit too busy swimming through its own shit half the time.
That’s a really valid point, my recent experience of terminally online radical left wingers has been lemmygrad, .ml, hexbear etc. whereas my experience of terminally online radical right wingers has been… I guess a few people in piracy/libertarian communities? which aren’t even the authoritarian right wing groups - I think it’s not unreasonable to say liberals are likely to be more reasonable than authoritarians, so if I’m coming across vocal liberal right wingers and vocal authoritarian left wingers (with the liberal left wingers being ignored/less vocal as they’re in the majority) then of course the right wingers are going to seem most reasonable
This is too insightful to be a shitpost.
Crossposting this to [email protected]
i’m not conservative, by any stretch of the definition, though i do appreciate some of the more classically conservative values (none of which actual conservatives stand for ironically)
Nor am i progressive, or any flavor of communistic. Although that might change given enough problems with the US voting populace. Though not to the amusement of any lemmy users im sure,
Frankly, to be honest, i’m anti humanist right now, in my political satire arc. Take from that what you will, but if you take it the wrong thing, i will outlive you politically.
TL;DR im disappointed in everyone, you should’ve done better, you should have higher standards for yourself and your conduct, and you don’t and that makes me sad.
I think disappointment in people is a very reasonable attitude. In fact I think cynicism towards people in general is one of the core defining attitudes of our time, and it transcends political boundaries.
But as a filthy leftoid, I believe that there are socio-economic forces which are responsible for how people are in a given era. The spread of misinformation on the internet, social alienation, poor education with no media literacy, logic or critical thinking - these are not innate flaws in human kind, they are failures of society that can be fixed.
So you can see we have a real problem, because leftism and even liberalism is built upon respect for and faith in humanity - but very few act like it.
And what exactly makes you so much better than everyone else exactly?
Sounds like an edgy centrist. So either indecisive or a conservative pretending to not be political.
If you don’t like humans, drag would like to invite you to explore the otherkin community. Maybe you’ll prefer otherkin to humans.
Just make sure you can handle all the various animal noises. Therians/otherkin really like their preferred animal sounds. Meow.
You’re so special and different. Want a rimjob?
Well y-wait a minute! You are not u/RimJobSteve!
Tankies are right wing
Ehh not really.
Economically: The pro China ones can sometimes be pro market-ish. However, I’ve seen some of them talk about how Xi Jinping is making China have a more and more planned economy day by day. As for the pro USSR n North Korea ones, I’ve seen them range from hard anti-market to having teeny tiny sympathy for a very small, heavily state controlled market.
Socially: I’ve seen many trans ppl on hexbear. Aaaand I’ve also seen ppl claim transgenderism itself to being bourgeoisie manufactured fake science to distract the population from the real issue- class warfare. HOWEVER, I have seen none of them defending religious beliefs or ideals.
Therefore, the only thing similar that they share with right wingers, is that their political structures would over time evolve into stateful, classful, authoritarian systems.
Oh, and yeah- they both really love strongmen…
HOWEVER, I have seen none of them defending religious beliefs or ideals.
Antitheism is right wing. People deserve to worship whether, what, who, and how they want. Left wing communities will always support religious diversity and freedom.
Yes, I wish we were more aware of the neutrality of dualities.
Your last two paragraphs explain how they are actually right wing, because the authoritarianism has already happened and they still support it.
“Planned economy” is just state capitalism. It’s not better than neoliberal capitalism, it just has a red flag, and tankies are fool enough to think that makes difference.
this is why left vs. right isn’t nuanced enough for real political discussion outside of a two party system
It’s why we can’t just go around believing everybody who claims to be a leftist. We need to evaluate the actual effects of their actions. If they are oppressing the workers as every state does, they are not left wing.
Labels never more useful than just as a shortcut to understanding someone’s whole nuanced belief…
Yeah, but that’s what I’m doing. I am evaluating the beliefs of authoritarians of all kinds and concluding that they are right wing.
I’m not throwing out the labels, I’m saying this left-right-auth-lib pair of dichotomies is not useful.
They were saying that there are more axes than left/right, and that the left/right axis is typically not one of authoritarianism.
See: libertarians and anarchocapitalists are absolutely right wing but are radically anti-authoritarian.
Well, if we’re interested in the ideals of the people, then yes the political compass is a thing that you can use. The problem is that when you drill down into right wing “libertarianism” you find landlords and bosses (EDIT: actually they’re pretty much right there on the surface). They are in fact about the freedom of coporations to own and control human beings. They are pro-slavery and neo-feudalist. That is not actually libertarian, that is pro-slavery. Right-wingers always are. So in practice, it’s just a lie.
Murray Rothbard himself said that “those who call us anarchists are not on sound etymological footing”. That’s a wanker way to say it, said by a wanker, but it’s clear he understood that words mean things.
That still doesn’t matter.
Sure people misrepresent (by accident or intention) what their actual political beliefs are.
But the single axis (or even two axis) political compass doesn’t really capture the nuance and especially the authoritarian aspect.I get the feeling that by your measure, nearly everything but collectivist anarchy would be “right wing” by virtue of some axis. At which point I don’t think it’s a useful way to frame things.
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Engels, Lenin and Bukharin all talked about state capitalism. Lenin decried it as not real socialism.
the erroneous bourgeois reformist assertion that monopoly capitalism or state-monopoly capitalism is no longer capitalism, but can now be called “state socialism” and so on, is very common
Lenin, The State and Revolution
That was until after the October revolution, at which point he seemed to think it was based and cool actually, and that it was definitely what the USSR was doing.
Reality tells us that state capitalism would be a step forward. If in a small space of time we could achieve state capitalism in Russia, that would be a victory.
Lenin, Minutes of the Sessions of the All-Russia C.E.C., 4th Convocation. Verbatim Report
This is around the time he stripped the soviets of their power and disenfranchised the workers in favour of a central state that alienated them from control over the means of production.
You know, like a capitalist.
And now tankies are distancing themselves because they can’t square the circle that their beloved revolutionary heroes were actually capitalists, and they pretend the concept doesn’t exist.
So tell me, was Lenin wrong about this? If so, was he wrong twice? Why the flip-flopping on whether it was good or bad? Nobody seemed to dispute at the time that it existed, and an analysis of what happened shows that the USSR liberalised quickly. The bolsheviks were in effect liberal reformists.
You’re taking things out of context. In the first example, Lenin specifically says “bourgeois reformist assertion”, he’s talking of monopoly in the context of a bourgeois state, not in a worker’s state. He understands that for as long as a strong bourgeoisie exists, not even a state monopoly can be considered socialist, because the state is in fact controlled by the bourgeoisie.
That was until after the October revolution
Wow, so you’re telling me that, when confronted with real situations and material conditions, the opinions of someone can change? Baffling.
This is around the time he stripped the soviets of their power and disenfranchised the workers in favour of a central state that alienated them from control over the means of production
Good luck fighting a civil war in which you get invaded by 14 other world powers for the sin of being a communist, while your industry is disorganized and not centralized towards the war-effort. Give as an answer as to how to fight and win such a war, maybe the entire communist part just didn’t think hard enough? Or will you say that the people who spent most of their adult life in jail or exile for organizing workers and distributing communist newspapers during Tsarism were ackchually just power-hungry tyrants?
And now tankies are distancing themselves
Wait, so tankies are actually against centralized economic planning? Strawman
an analysis of what happened shows that the USSR liberalised quickly
“liberalism is when centrally-planned economy”. Seriously, do you know what “liberalism” means?
You know your REAL problem with the Bolsheviks? That they won. The problem YOU have with Bolsheviks, is that they had to face real historical and material problems, and big ones, and therefore had to make tough decisions. You claim to know better than the people of the time that spent their literal lives in jail or exile prior to the revolution, studying and theorizing and discussing about communism in real life, risking their lives in organizing the workers and in fighting against Tsarism, and you know why? Because the ONLY socialists that supposed “leftists” like you will support, are the leftists who failed. You’ll support Salvador Allende because he didn’t face the real conditions of his time and didn’t apply the necessary policy to fight the advance of fascism. You’ll support the anarchists in the Spanish Second Republic because they failed to fight against fascism and, because of rejecting taking power, they didn’t have to apply harsh policy to fight reactionarism. But you won’t ever support actual socialists who DID understand the dangers of fascism and of capitalist counter-revolution, and actually did something about it, because as soon as they apply their ideology to real-world conditions, they’re not perfect anymore. Because they ACTUALLY were a threat to the system, and so the propaganda will paint them as intolerable autocrats, and you’ll swallow that propaganda whole and share the same views of socialists than fucking Zbigniew Brzezinsky.
At no point in any of this are you addressing the argument being made, which is that state capitalism absolutely is a thing, which means Lenin became a capitalist.
You can make excuses for it all day, the only difference between them and the liberal revolutions is ideological at that point, which makes you an idealist.
“I will overfixate on a debate on the academic definition of capitalism in order to be able to call X communist leader a capitalist instead of looking at the actual policy implemented” isn’t an honest framework to deal with this. In a worker state without bourgeoisie, such as the soviet union, there is no such thing as surplus value because there’s no capitalist class appropriating the wealth for itself. Instead, salaries are decided centrally, goods are provided at centrally-planned prices and NOT through the market principles. This is enough for me to claim that the USSR was socialist and not capitalist, and I refuse to engage in semantics rather than talking about policy: the USSR was materially and significantly different from any classical capitalist state, and much better by ANY actual metric than any capitalist state, and you’re just trying to bend definitions to call your Marxist-Leninist of choice a capitalist
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How in the hell is that comment anything GPT-like other than the fact that it’s slightly long???
It’s the AI-related way of saying “I’m not reading all of that.”
Oh wow, you called me a bot and an American. Checkmate. No need to respond to anything I actually said, you obviously know how to get right to the heart of dismissing me so you can repeat your opinion without any actual argument.
Surely there is a meaningful difference between a planned economy/command economy and a semi-regulated market economy? Like, I get that corporate control can still be authoritarian, but it’s different to state control in some ways, I think?
I didn’t say it was no different. You can tell because I used different words for the two things.
I said it was no better.
There’s such a thing as left wing authoritarianism too.
There’s such a thing as right wingers who coopt left wing rhetoric and fool people into believing they are left wing. But anyone who says authoritarianism is left wing because it has some supposedly liberatory ideals is - and tankies will hate to hear this - an idealist.
Joseph Stalin: famous right wing politician
maybe in a more traditionally defined sense of the word, but neo conservatism is anything but equal to tankie based behavior.
This is very true. I’ve been told by many leftists that liberals are enemy. The right is the enemy of liberals.
Leftist have clearly decided that the enemy of my enemy is my friend by embracing right wing political candidates and echoing their propaganda.
Labor is the left wing party in the UK
They are not, but sometimes their actions can result in outcomes beneficial to right wing.
Do you think Nazis and Stalinists were left wing?
Nazis were not; despite taking the name of national-socialists, they only used socialism as a buzzword while acting in full interest of national bourgeoisie, feeding German businesses and promoting Germans over everyone. In fact, Nazism is reactionary in its nature and strongly opposed to any left-wing ideas.
Stalinists were left-wing, yes.
The purpose of a system is what it does, and the tankie system results in right wing outcomes, which makes them right wing.
I don’t particularly care if their sweet little lefty hearts bleed for the working class, or if they’re going to heaven. What matters is the results, and authoritarian structures are always right wing.
Please dont redefine words to fit your argument
As long as you don’t bother to make an argument I’d say I’m doing better.
Arguing that intention is not the same as result?
If you accidentally burn a house while trying to light a candle, your intention was to light a candle, not to burn a house
If you shouldnt be allowed to light candles because you will burn more houses is a completely different argument
How do we feel about libertarians?
Depends on what they focus on. Drug legalization, mass incarceration and government overreach into the lives of the population like with the recent banning of porn? That’s a cool libertarian. If they talk economics at all, that’s just a conservative in dummy clothing
Libertarian as in anarchist or libertarian as in “the age of consent should be lower”?
I feel like no anarchist actually calls themselves a basic libertarian, it’s almost always followed up by socialist or communist.
I use it when I’m trying to ease people into what anarchism actually means. Also gives me an excuse to shit on right “libertarians” lol
Fun fact IIRC; the term was coined by anarchists in France after the word “anarchist” got banned in press.
its because they’re not, anarchists are the grown up version of libertarians.
Libertarians discovered anarchism and were like “we have that at home!” and they really didn’t.
They’re just Republicans with a bong.
Who have an issue with age of consent laws
That’s all Republicans.
Not quite. Republicans require the child’s parents consent prior to the rape occurring.
Not from what I’ve seen. They’re not so big on consent in general.
I see it as, they’re willing to consent for others.
Dressing provactively? They consent to you being raped.
Your body, my choice. I shall consent for you m’lady.
I suppose another way of looking at is they see women as property. Probably why the trans thing gets them all upset, their worldview means a trans female becomes their property and in their twisted minds, that’s them being forced to take possession of something. Their imagined agency is being attacked.
Or a board member of Proton Foundation
Love this.
They’re at best misled on the subject of capitalism and at worst just another band of toadies for the fascists
This screams that people with different opinions aren’t people with valid opinions and lead to further dialectic conversation, and I reject that premise.
Conservatives should be welcome. Everyone should be welcome.
I haven’t seen a person identify as a conservative on Lemmy without also a shitheel about civil rights.
Ok… well now you have. Everyone should be treated equally under the law. No one should be discriminated against.
Well… that’s not quite what I said. I said civil rights. Not equal treatment under the law. If the government passed a law banning Jewish people or that I can own a black man or that trans people can use their preferred bathroom, that law could be equally applied to everyone, but not effect everyone equally.
That’s probably selection bias. Conservatives that aren’t shitheels probably don’t say they’re conservative.
I disagree, Nazi’s have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
But they aren’t nazis. Just like you probably aren’t a naxalite, even though you might have a similar opinion on specific subjects.
Argue the point of a subject and stop swerving off to name calling.
who are “they”?
Could ask you the same. You seem to imply most of all people that voted for Trump, or that agree with republicans on an issue they deem important. Hate to brake it to you, but there aren’t that many genuine nazis.
that’s not under question here. I said Nazi’s don’t have a place in society.
not who.
not what.
just Nazis.
why are you defending Nazis so much?
You imply that ordinary people are nazis.
improve your reading and comprehension because I am certain I did not.
What if they’re Nazis in Ukraine? Weren’t you agreeing with anti-tankie sentiment in other comments?
Nazis in Ukraine are still Nazis. Fortunately, there weren’t very many Nazis in Ukraine, and Russia just used that as a scapegoat, and only a fool would believe otherwise 😊
There’s enough that they name streets after Nazis, cover their uniforms in Nazi symbols, and appoint self-declared Nazis to positions of power.
And yet the Nazi party only represents 2% of citizens, so okie dokie buckaroo, keep drinking that koolaid…or is that just Putin’s piss? 🤔
Agree. Also Fascists and Theocrats.
They’re not Nazis. Calling them Nazis just makes it easier to do this stuff
Are “they” in the room with us right now?
I disagree, Nazi’s have zero place anywhere in society outside of a history book.
I never even said who was a Nazi, just that they don’t have a place in society.
way to miss the point…
Wow, it’s almost like you have trouble to make yourself understood. There are more than one that “misread” what you wrote, so perhaps some introspection is due.
wow, it’s almost like you’re obtusely misrepresenting your comprehension of what you read.
Not sure why anyone would want to make themselves appear dumber than they are but, hey I won’t kink-shame.
I don’t think they were saying they’re Nazis; unfortunately, many people can’t recognize the harm a group does if that harm is slow or “off-screen” (like the poverty or civil restrictions most conservative policies inevitably result in).
I think they were just using a conservative group such as the Nazis since it’d be much more obvious to the average person as to why we need to draw a line, with some groups, and cleanly indicate why OP’s blanket statement that “everyone should be welcome” can’t possibly be true.
There are those who view this offer to share their thoughts and existence as an opportunity to permanently terminate the same of others.
They’re openly fascists. I don’t know why you’re trying to split hairs. They’re not hiding it.
