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Honest question: how bad do things have to get in the US for citizens to qualify for refugee status?
take a look at your neighbors houses.
are they on fire or being raided yet?
no? not yet.
Even then, it’s a tossup. We’ve all seen how refugees are treated.
It’s a scale thing.
one house on fire, it’s ok.
one house being raided, it’s ok.
five houses being raided and four houses on fire, time to gtfo.
Unless those are non-white houses being raided or set on fire, then it’s business as usual on 'murica
You obviously don’t know white people.
When I was buying my house, I came for a tour of the home, as you do when purchasing a home.
Within three minutes of us showing up, walking in with the realtor, the police were outside the house. Not one car though. Three cars, the house was surrounded.
On top of that, it’s clear that we were looking to buy the house because of the big for sale sign in the front. And even clearer the fact that it was me, my wife, our three-year-old son, my brother-in-law, my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, and the realtor.
Evidently the next door neighbor decided to call the police when they saw us because they thought we were robbing the place.
Who the fuck robs an empty house with six adults and a baby?
Let’s just say, I wasn’t surprised when they put up Trump signs.
Rich white people are afraid of anything outside of their “control”.
Rich white people are afraid of anything outside of their “control”.
I grew up in Santa Fe, NM working as a handyman in Hyde Park and El Dorado and Trés Lagunas and all the “non-native” rich, white areas. After my divorce, i ended up in Cali as a stagehand working for Disney. This statement literally sums up my entire life’s professional experience.
Wait, the neighbor called the cops on you, and you still bought the place? Dang
Consider how bad things are in Central America right now and then remember that despite the abject violence currently happening in many countries there right now, the U.S. still harbors deep anti-immigrant sentiments and we regularly turn away people fleeing said violence and return them to the custody of their would-be killers.
Yeah, you won’t need an answer to this question when the times comes for us. You’ll know, and you’ll be willing to get on that boat or airplane leaving for anywhere else even if they aren’t accepting refugees or the odds are slim that anywhere else will take you, because the alternative is certain death.
You’re probably better off trying to emigrate now rather than waiting for things to get worse, if you are in a position where you can make that choice. Some people make their livings preying upon those who are desperately seeking an escape, so it’s a bargain right now to leave for the cost of a plane ticket and whatever elbow grease you need to put in to achieve citizenship abroad.
My grandparents were holocaust survivors and what you just said is all I’ve been thinking about the last couple weeks, few months really. I keep imagining I went back in time to Berlin 1932 and have a chat with the family. They’re gone now but I’m 100% convinced they would tell me to fucking run. I’ve got the opportunity and means right now the get the fuck out while the getting is good. It’s something I’ve wanted to do for a while now anyway. People migrate all the time with nothing but the shirt on their backs, and I can do significantly better. Worst case, I come back in a few years with some more international experience. Best case…well…best case is still a pretty bad scenario, because it means I made the right decision, which means…bad stuff…
Want to know what’s fun? Watching your friends decide who’s fleeing, who’s arming up, and who’s lying to themselves. Welcome to queer communities in a red state in November 2024. Gods have mercy on us
That’s… so few places to go to. Unless you have a spare 10k you don’t need… or a remote high pay job.
Yeah, that’s a contributor. I’m going to a blue state in the hopes it’s safer until things get bad enough for refugee status.
Stay safe. Leave if possible.
Already in the process. My wife and I committed to leave on the 6th, and are currently packing. Our lease ends in the spring and at that point I quit my job and we move to a blue state (already have arrangements).
Oh and I got a passport two years ago. I’m living by the understanding that if you wait to flee until you absolutely have to, you may not be able to. Better to take some risks for safety that may just be better choices regardless. I’ve always wanted to live in a coastal state, I’m a little excited when I let myself forget the devastation that’s coming.
If you and your wife aren’t opposed to camping, and can do so safely, you are allowed to set up a camp for one week at a time for free in any of the National Parks, that could give you a foothold to find a cheaper place in California. Cheaper is doing a lot of work in that previous sentence.
Our friend out west actually offered us a guest bedroom while we look. We’ve actually gotten multiple offers in different cities. We’re just either waiting out our lease or leaving when it gets suddenly too hostile then staying with our friends while we find a cheap place (looks like we can downsize to a similar rent)
Good to hear! Just a heads up for you and your wife, anything next to the coast is priced outrageously, but if you look even half an hour drive inland, the prices drop quickly.
If you and your wife like nature, there are several reasonably priced places in Anza-Borrego. It’s a tiny town out in the desert, in the middle of a state park. I saw a place out there a few months ago for only $58,000
Yeah, we’re looking at suburbs of Seattle and it’s not nearly as bad as we’d expected. Like without a job we’re going to be in a studio or something but it’s not nearly the financially devastating choice we’d worried. Otherwise we’d’ve probably looked at something like Annapolis or Minneapolis where it’s fine, but probably not much worse than Ohio cities.
The biggest things for us were being in a blue part of a blue state on the border with good job prospects for our careers
Well, congratulations on the upcoming move! I hope you like seafood, because as someone who has always lived in coastal states, having all the fancy regional fresh seafood around is really wasted on my dull palate. XD
My friend: “I found this really great seafood place, a little hole in the wall, let me take you.”
My friend, after eating: “What do you think?”
Me: “Tastes like… fish?”
Don’t like crabs, don’t like lobster, don’t like most fish… I wasn’t born to live on the coast, clearly.
I’m a pescatarian for the same reason some people give up all meat but bacon lol. I love fish too much to stay stuck in Ohio. My wife hates the stuff though lol.
And thanks, I’m very excited in part because we picked the city in question because a good friend lives there, and I’ve already found out it has all the things I love about my current location or at least close enough. We’re also a little excited because it’s closer to my siblings in law and we’re probably going to become aunts in the next few years so it’ll be good to be closer to the kids for extra spoilage. I just wish the move was more “hey this is crazy and we’re some of the least reckless people around but sometimes you gotta” instead of the “we’re afraid that if we don’t do this we may find ourselves tragically regretting staying”
Eyyy, glad to see I’m not the only one planning to leave Ohio; I’m eyeing the west coast myself, CA State job benefits look very attractive but I’d rather get any job (fully remote or in person) first and try for a state job later.
I need to get with my landlord this week and see about changing my lease renewal to month-to-month, since it doesn’t technically renew till January.
I’m mostly done getting rid of all the junk I don’t need and making what i still have more compact. I gotta work on my resume and start applying.
Literally the only thing I think I’ll miss from Ohio is Jungle Jims. Love that damn place. not living near my parents will suck for a bit, but frankly, I never wanted to live here anyway.
Not a huge fan of fish, but I do like crab, lobster, and shrimp and I think they all taste almost identical. You remove the texture and I wouldn’t be able to say what it was, but I’d know it was shellfish. Only other seafood I like is tuna. But, like… From a can. Fresh caught and grilled? Ew. Idk what that says about my tastebuds.
#2 here. It would be nice to leave but I feel like I need to stay and fight.
That’s ok. I’m proud of those of you who are doing that. I’m leaving, I’ve spent a long time working out of my martyr complex and my wife and I have decided to flee.
I think the biggest thing we can do here as a community is respect each other’s choices and try to figure out what we can do to help most from the position we take.
I want to make sure our history isn’t lost. I want to make sure that if we need voices advocating for us somewhere people will listen that I can be one. And I want to make clear that until I feel safe returning home that I am an Ohioan in exile, and that that means things aren’t ok over there.
Fight well and know that some of those of us who are fleeing are setting up networks to get y’all out if you need it.
There’s time to get a passport.
Not much. If you don’t have one get it now
Turn that despair into anger!
Porque no los dos?
Anger is like fire. It burns hot, but it needs fuel, and leaves behind nothing but ash.
I’ve been angry for a long, long time. Now I feel tired and broken. Nothing left but the occasional ember in the cinders.
I’ll recover, I’m sure. But not today. And probably not tomorrow. Probably not for a while.
Maybe you could disconnect and focus on your irl circle for a while.
All of my interests relate back to political and philosophical thought in some way. Closing my eyes won’t help. It’s not the barrage of stupidity that’s killing me, though that is aggravating. It’s the hopelessness, and that returns as long as the matter is considered, whether there’s news to go with it or not.
I feel you man. Most of my friends want to bury their heads in their sand to cope and ignore everything, I just can’t do that. I want to be angry for a while and talk about what’s making me angry.
I’m far too aware that the level of action I’m willing to take and the level of action it would take for one individual to change the course of nations are too far apart for anything but for my mood to change with the winds of the times, despair or hope as massive demographics drive them. On some level, I think, I would prefer to be clueless to that.
But I can’t be. Some fuckers taught me how to read and write and shit, and now I’m cursed with literacy and awareness. I fucking hate it.
But I can’t be. Some fuckers taught me how to read and write and shit, and now I’m cursed with literacy and awareness. I fucking hate it.
Heck yes.
I had a media career and gained a… habit if not love… for news and journalism in a way. The habit is crushing now in the way that an addiction quickens into life-threatening dependence in the blink of an eye.
I’m wrecked, honestly. About all of it, but there’s a little extra ketchup on the shit sandwich for me in the abandonment of journalism we see every day. Not to mention the impending media acceptance of Trump’s retribution.
I feel you in this thread and it hurts because all I need to do is nod along.
Don’t forget critical thinking.
You can develop those subjects irl too, for example by joining a local non profit that focuses on something that you like. I think it’s the best way to go through this difficult period.
My point is that I can’t mentally avoid the reality of living under a Nero, as much as I’d like to. Not that I won’t find ways to cope, some helpful to broader society, and some not.
living under a Nero
You. You impress me, for whatever that’s worth. Stay with us and stretch my brain a bit more.
Most of my IRL circle are the problem… I am despairing that I need to so heavily prune core parts of my circle.
Maybe you can develop new circles without having to cut existing ones, like joining some club or non profit about subjects that you like.
In the words of my therapist, “that’s just rage”. Anger is the feeling that says “no” and motivates you to action, not the one that kicks and screams and does nothing.
Anger has kept one foot going in front of the other at many points in my life. It can’t run on nothing. It can’t burn infinitely.
Anger is fueled by love. My anger is fueled by a woefully irrational love for this country, my state, my city, my neighborhood, my friends, my family, the culture and beauty birthed by this nation, now being set ablaze to avoid facing the atrocities committed to build it. While i am not fond of the past, but i must embrace it and love it; and only once there is not even a memory left of this place i call home, will flame burn out
Sounds like you need to sweep out the chimney. It’s a dirty job, it sucks, and it’ll only get worse if you put it off. But in time you’ll be burning like new again.
I don’t know exactly how the metaphor applies in your situation, but I’ve struggled for a long time with burnout and that resonates with me. Hopefully you find some comfort
Lucky for you, I feel enough rage for the both of us. I am consumed by an unquenchable bloodlust of such magnitude that I genuinely do not feel like the words exist to properly describe it. All of these fascist fuckers think they are about to make us ‘find out’ but boy oh boy have they been doing a lot of fucking around.
I will not go quietly when they come for me or my neighbors.
Depression is anger without energy.
More like anger that doesn’t invalidate other responsibilities
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I wish luck to you and anybody doing the same. It seems to me like it could benefit Canada to accept the people the US loses. It won’t exactly be the trumpers and domestic terrorists knocking at the door.
I have pretty deep family roots where I am, and I was born into demographics acceptable to the incoming regime, so I probably won’t be going anywhere for now. But it is going to suck watching people get hurt and the country decomposing no matter where I live.
I’ve tried a few things and all have ended up dead ends… I’m stuck :(
You and me both. It’s been a joke for decades but I ain’t laughing. I think we are the first wave. Either we are overreacting and go back whenever if we want, or…well, I don’t want to think about the “or” scenario…
There should be some community-led resource centres to help as well, depending on where you’re headed. I know there’s been a lot of talk and early organizing on this side to help resource people who need to get out.
That being said, I imagine certain blue states should still be okay for a couple years at least if that’s easier.
Comic is too optimistic because here the fire was extinguished. In reality the fire has only gotten larger and is surrounded by all sorts of volatile elements.
Maybe if you give enough asspats to people who sat by and refused to help put out the fire, next time will be different.
Maybe if you keep ignoring voters you’ll get their votes someday.
Maybe if you keep ignoring fascists taking over the country and enabling the genocide of as many minorities as possibly, you’ll attain a truly equitable and equal world someday.
Or you’ll sit there with a smile as we’re thrown in camps and you get to stay smug and safe. Whichever.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy. Next time tell the democrats that getting people’s votes is more important than sending billions in support of genocide. Sure though, people supporting genocide are totally not fascists just because the other party they love “reaching across the aisle” to support it harder.
I’m not the one ignoring genocide, buddy.
Really? Because last I checked, you spent the past few months peddling the exact kind of voter suppression “BOTHSIDES” nonsense and downplaying the very real risk of fascism as a Dem plot to bully people into voting. That’s either ignoring genocide, supporting genocide, or being the most self-defeating anti-genocide advocate imaginable.
But it’s okay. You got to feel good about yourself, and that’s what counts. Fuck minorities. Fuck the oppressed. Only your feelings matter.
If pointing out similarities between the parties is a voter suppression tactic, then democrats should try being different from the republicans instead of kissing dick cheney’s ass and screaming that they need to move even further to the right after every election defeat. You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
then democrats should try being different from the republicans
They are. But you either can’t see it, or are deliberately ignoring it because it lets you play purity tests.
Or are you going to tell me that this upcoming fascist regime is just business as usual, just like if the Dems won? Go ahead. Say it. We all know you’re thinking it.
You cannot shame me for criticizing support of genocide.
How about I shame you for supporting genocide, like you’ve done through your actions, and pretending your hands are clean?
Too close to home 😰
I never get tired of that follow up comic. It’s just too real.
In case anyone reading hasn’t seen the full thing:
https://thenib.com/this-is-not-fine/Just needs some of the text updated to current news.
I hope we get to the point where the fire can be put out. We’re currently in the stage where the accelerant is being poured out everywhere.
This has been a fucking long 2 weeks, and he’s not even in office yet, Jesus Christ
Not even the mercy of knowing most of the country is against him. Most of the country that gives a shit supports him.
Not a super impactful consolation, but updated vote totals put Trump under 50% so only a plurality of the country that gives a shit supports him
If it gives you any comfort, I think there were a ton of people who “gave a shit”, but were (and in many encounters I’ve had: still are) just too stupid to realize that “morally withholding” a vote for Kamala was going to enable something incalculably worse.
Those people aren’t evil. Just unbelievably stupid. So much so that they’re a danger to themselves and others. But not evil.
The outcome is the same, and they learned nothing from 2016-2020, so fuck 'em.
Unfortunately, we’re also fucked by this.
To be fair, quite a few withholds were probably too young to vote In 2016. None the less, many many more were still too stupid to learn from 2016.
On the plus side, now I know how I’ll react to the news of an impending asteroid/meteor strike.
I did not make the connection and thought it’s a seasonal thing or shit at work but you could be right
Hey, cheer up. We got front row seats to a new political thriller with a power struggle, potential autocoups, suppression of dissent, protests, mass arrests, maybe revolts, maybe a civil war (no spoilers 🤫).
Hey you even get to play a part, its not everyday you get this opportunity. Cheer up, man. 🫠
Just imagine yourself being the protagonist in your little spin off movie. Awesome aint it? If you’re lucky, you might get a full tv series. Or, you know, just get a short 10 minute film. (Who needs a series, Quality > Quantity ya know 😉) Who knows what the future holds.
If you get a interesting enough story, you could end up writing the next Anne Frank’s Diary. 💀
spoiler
Sorry for being sarcastic, they say humor is one way to deal with grief. Ye know? The Death of a Republic. 🥲
I’ve lost 30 pounds since the start of this year. I should recommend stress as the hip new weight-loss diet.
I’ve lost 5 pounds and substantially reduced my appetite in the last checks notes 12 days?
NGL, I am enjoying being full sooner. First week SUUUUCKED. I struggled to finish a 5 piece tender meal today, and I’m happy about it.
I think I can start ordering smaller meals now (my wallet will thank me) and not be quite the ravenous fat bastard I was for several hours after.
Holy shit i just now realized the only thing I’ve eaten since the tender meal for lunch (roughly 13 hours ago??) is an apple. And I’m not hungry.
Unfortunately, I’m teetering on the edge of an underweight BMI at this point.
I’m sorry you’re having to deal with that; i swung from that end during my childhood into my currently 240ish (233 as of a few minutes ago apparently) pounds.
I was taken off of appetite suppressing ADHD meds juuuust in time for puberty to hit like a brick and it royally fucked me up long term.
Diet is a shitty tightrope to balance across, especially combined with stress 😞
Nah, I tend to stress eat.
caution. I tried this diet. it works but has…
…ramifications.
On the upside, my grocery bill is way down.
Just out of curiosity, what are the ramifications?
I had a period of time 15 years ago where I was eating about 1000-1500 calories a day for months because I was so busy I’d just forget to eat.
Life is getting to the point where I’m forgetting to eat on weekends again and I’m contemplating just following suit during the week to drop some poundage.
I know if the weight loss is TOO fast there’s a heart component, but is there anything else to worry about?
not sure if kidding but stress builds up cortisol which over time can lead to health issues. heart/stroke/etc. anything that messes with your blood sugar should be taken with precaution.
Ready for the military to go through the county and ethnically cleanse you, or your family, or your neighbors and co-workers? Ready to find out what bread lines are like? Ready to experience population collapse?
Fuck.
Lol your psychotic. Turn off the news, put down your phone and go touch grass. Jesus.
Let’s play a game! Which of these quotes are Trump’s, and which are Hitler’s?
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“Jews and migrants are poisoning Aryan blood,”
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“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done,”
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“I will get rid of the communist vermin”
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“They’re coming into our country, from Africa, from Asia, over the world. They’re pouring into our country.”
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“I will take care of the enemy within”
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“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”
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“One people, one realm, one leader.”
Here is the answer key: Every other one is a Hitler quote, starting with the first one. And yet, these quotes are in significant overlap. We shouldn’t have a president who is taking a page out of Hitler’s book.
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I want to know if this ages well.
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Honestly, that would be one of the few ways I can see out of this mess. Because this… this would evoke resistance, this would evoke outrage and I think they’re not going to give us that just yet. They’re going to cook us slowly.
Fascism isn’t digging it’s claws into the West “Beerhall Putsch”-style, it’s going to be “Prussia contra Reich”-style.
The ruling basically tolerated a breach of the constitution because the court shied away from accusing the President of a breach of the constitution. (Translated from german Wikipedia “Preußen contra Reich”)
It’s not going to be ethnic cleansing right now, it’s not going to be bread lines just now. But the fascist takeover is already happening and has been happening for quite some time and it looks like this: The quiet abolition of checks and balances through the courts and the continuous erosion of legal barriers to a party-dictatorship. It’s about gerrymandering, right to vote, about free press, free speech and multiple media conglomerates worth of disinformation.
The next four years will be one legal battle after another and one (relatively small) overstepping of a boundary after another. It’s not gonna start with the military in inner cities, it’s going to start with more immunities for police, with the eradication of resistance in the executive branch. New generals, new bureaucrats, new judges… if you want to know what Trumps takeover will look like… look to Hungary and Turkey, Trump and the entire GOP have already praised Orban and Erdogan as strong leaders and models for this new term.
Honestly I think hyperbole could be dangerous! If we now tell everyone to expect the goose-stepping, they will say “see, the bad things you predict don’t happen!” While completely ignoring the continuous erosion of the democratic ability to resist them through the system.
Yeah, things are going to get bad, but it’s going to happen slowly. So slowly that a lot of people panicking right now will calm down and go back to business as usual. We will be distracted and forget this is happening, until it’s too late to do anything about it. I’d be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That’s what’s so insidious about it.
I’d be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That’s not necessarily my position. I mean yeah, chances are good you’re right, but while things will escalate slowly at first, they’ll ramp up over time. The more their power is secure, the more americans segregate into a few (but populous) blue states and many (but empty) red states, the more the senate will gain power, the more positions in the bureaucracy, executive and judiciary they have secured, the bigger their overstepping is going to be and the faster shit’ll escalate.
And it’ll feel overwhelming and like too much happening at once the whole time. They’ll drain resistance by basically DDOSing the system, too many things to take care of, too many garbage fires at once and all the time the media is going to jump from one new development to the next, never following up on things, never allowing for a breather.
Man it’s going to be so much shit to shovel… and we’ll have elections in Germany too soon with a likely right wing government of Trump fans getting elected. I just want to cry.
You’re right, it will be a slow setup then a sudden overwhelming deluge, if not in two years then in four. That’s project 2025’s whole thing. It all really just depends on how much GOP incompetence and in-fighting delays their plans.
My comment about Trump was more aimed at the fact that he is an old man in seemingly poor health who doesn’t even really like being president beyond the power trip and ego boost. His main motivation for running again was to avoid legal consequences for the corruption of his first term. If he doesn’t die within the next four years my money is on him being forced to step down and pardoned by Vance
Okay, be real. Trump isn’t going to let there be bread lines; he won’t set any up, and any public direct action is going to be disrupted with the military and cops. People will starve.
I’d expect bread lines to be harassed or attacked by conservatives that get riled up about such communism happening out in the open.
Haha LMAO, bro you need to chill.
That’s been me for the past several months, really.
I already had a suicidal meltdown on wednesday morning. hearing about what that prick intends to do is only making it worse hahahaha
Let me make a prediction: I’m not going to be able to make comments and posts after January 6, 2025.
I’ll be shot dead, or I’ll being detained into a work camp.
It’ll take time. Even Hitler didn’t immediately manage to implement his genocidal plans once he came into power.
We all have time, but not a lot.
Buy a gun if you don’t have one, only you can protect yourself in this country now.
I’ve been looking into less lethal firearms like the Umarex TR50 or HDX 68 because I can get them more quickly (don’t need training/licensing) and if I end up having to use them it’s less likely to get police or courts involved, whom I do not trust to be sympathetic, and you shouldn’t either. In addition to versions which are colored bright orange to denote low lethality, there are black versions that look like guns at a glance, which may be enough deterrent/intimidation factor to make a brownshirt pause for a moment, during which time you fire pepperballs, which should disable them long enough for you to get away. The TR50 revolver can be loaded with a mix of those and hard pellets which will hurt like hell if aimed properly, and the HDX 68 has a sharp butt which can be jabbed in close quarters if needed.
But–going back to my earlier point–none of this does any good if it’s the police themselves or the military coming for you, nor will a conventional weapon help that much in that situation, frankly.
Can’t trust myself with a gun. Gonna have to settle for a cripple with an aluminum baseball bat.
Nah, after Jan. 19th. Mango Mussolini takes power on the 20th (MLK Day!).
Bet
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