I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.
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A couple of questions (from someone not from US):
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Can’t he just presidential pardon himself?
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Even if put in jail, can he continue to act as a president? Like, give out orders, hold meetings, etc?
Presidential pardons only apply to federal cases. Not state cases.
Yes. Yes he could act as president
For the first question, there’s a distinction between state and federal crimes, things like shoplifting are usually state level crimes, if you do something like counterfeiting or crossing state lines while doing a criminal activity that’s often federal. The president can only pardon federal crimes, they can’t pardon a state crime (a year or two ago Biden pardoned federal weed offenses but that affected almost nobody because most people jailed for weed are at the state level which he couldn’t pardon). Trump’s charges in New York are state level and he can’t pardon those.
Whether or not Trump can pardon himself for federal offenses (like the case in Florida that’s been killed by that Trump-appointed judge) is yet untested (Nixon resigned and was pardoned by his successor to avoid this exact question), and it’d likely go to the Supreme Court… so they’d probably let him pardon himself.
I’m going to pass on the second question because I think he could actually be president from jail but I don’t know for sure. I’m not a lawyer, lol. Didn’t legal eagle do some videos about this?
He can only pardon federal crimes, and the state of New York obviously can only prosecute state crimes
I think he can operate as president from jail.
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Oh God, PLEASE, I know by now it won’t happen, but I’m begging
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.
Beware the Monkey Paw
I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.
I could be wrong.
icymi, JD Vance is a vassal of Peter Thiel.
Could be. otoh, the big chair changes people. Some grow into the job.
Younger generally means more hopeful and ambitious, so it really depends how much Peter Thiel has his hooks in him.
Vance at least has a non-white wife and is still on his first marriage so probably less bitter.
As an aside I was looking up everyone involved with founding PayPal. What a collective bunch of shit stains they are.
Seriously if folks knew what would happen with most of em back in the 90s im pretty some of the real old Rednecks wouldve killed em. Im talking the remains of those who fought in the county and union wars BTW.
Vance is a fucking monarchist.
Nah he’s a slightly more knowledgeable clown who is even more eager to do what the money backers want
I’m from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.
Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don’t get sucked into this madness.
But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.
So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it’s dangerous. Don’t ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.
I agree. He has done a great job managing his career. We’ll see what happens
Peter Thiel has done a great job managing his career.
If you look at the election prediction history graph on Nate Silver’s substack, you see an upwards trajectory for Trump/Vance ever since the vice-presidential debate. That was also when the “Republicans are weird” narrative that was working so well for Harris/Walz abruptly left the discourse. And I believe that what happened was that Republicans who were embarrassed by Vance as well as Trump had a moment like you describe where he suddenly didn’t seem so unrelatable and that right there sunk the Dems… as much as it pains me to admit it, because I’d much rather have a party that wins on the issues and communicates clearly how insane and risky it was to vote for literal autocracy, the Harris campaign probably made the wrong choice with Walz and never should have stopped mocking Republicans for being “weird.”
Trump isn’t smart either. He’s just a figure head.
At the time Trump built his Tower, Jackie Kennedy was working to preserve Grand Central station in Manhattan. Trump had a golden opportunity to get in good with the most influential taste maker in the country, and blew it because he’s a greedy idiot and a vulgarian.
Theoretically there’s nothing stopping Trump from being president from prison.
There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball.
I don’t know, is there a lot of couch in the white house, must take some time for him to introduce himself to all of them?
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Won’t happen but even if it did, JD will be just as bad.
Probably worse because he’s who nazis have to fall in line behind now, and he’s a perfectly soulless puppet who will do whatever he’s told. He’ll make the nazis more efficient.
Trump’s inherent incompetence works in favor of Americans here. Not by enough, but it’s something.
Yes it would be funny, it would also probably cause a civil uprising.
Bring it on
You have my axe
To do so would subvert the will of democracy. I thought liberals were the defenders of democracy? You lost the election. You fucking lost, move forward and try again in 4 years. Stop acting like spoiled entitled children.
enjoy the tariffs snowflake
The law is the law.
Try it in Latin, for an extra kick.
Dura lex sed lex
Why would you need a loophole to put a criminal in jail?
Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it’s over. He’s never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out…
But (as a European) it would be funny tho
Realistically probably not. However it’s best to not give up hope and call out those who aren’t enforcing the law.
If there’s enough fuss it’ll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.This is what the law is. It’s never applied to rich pale bros.
What about orange pieces of shit?
Survey says no
not with that attitude, get out on the streets already
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For the shit he’s done, they wouldn’t be wrong.
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Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump’s legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we’d have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
Trump wouldn’t be delivering p25. He’s always been a puppet.
If he’s not convicted of anything he can’t pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
You can’t really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
He won’t have to. He’ll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn’t need to do anything, they won’t result in a sentencing verdict that can’t be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That’s a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won’t know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
Oh yeah, I meant 2029 instead of 2025. I know it’s a long time but I was hoping that without an actual verdict the case could be brought up again when (if) the criminals no longer run the justice system. I know some cases are dismissed with and without prejudice, so if there’s any way they can officially be legally/permanently dispensed with I know he’ll do it.
I guess the best we can hope for is for him to just die soon. Just keep on eating those hamberders
crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don’t know if you’ve ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn’t from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren’t doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
lol no it didn’t
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It’s over.
