Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It’s over.
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.
Beware the Monkey Paw
I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.
I could be wrong.
Younger generally means more hopeful and ambitious, so it really depends how much Peter Thiel has his hooks in him.
Vance at least has a non-white wife and is still on his first marriage so probably less bitter.
As an aside I was looking up everyone involved with founding PayPal. What a collective bunch of shit stains they are.
Seriously if folks knew what would happen with most of em back in the 90s im pretty some of the real old Rednecks wouldve killed em. Im talking the remains of those who fought in the county and union wars BTW.
Trump isn’t smart either. He’s just a figure head.
At the time Trump built his Tower, Jackie Kennedy was working to preserve Grand Central station in Manhattan. Trump had a golden opportunity to get in good with the most influential taste maker in the country, and blew it because he’s a greedy idiot and a vulgarian.
I’m from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.
Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don’t get sucked into this madness.
But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.
So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it’s dangerous. Don’t ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.
If you look at the election prediction history graph on Nate Silver’s substack, you see an upwards trajectory for Trump/Vance ever since the vice-presidential debate. That was also when the “Republicans are weird” narrative that was working so well for Harris/Walz abruptly left the discourse. And I believe that what happened was that Republicans who were embarrassed by Vance as well as Trump had a moment like you describe where he suddenly didn’t seem so unrelatable and that right there sunk the Dems… as much as it pains me to admit it, because I’d much rather have a party that wins on the issues and communicates clearly how insane and risky it was to vote for literal autocracy, the Harris campaign probably made the wrong choice with Walz and never should have stopped mocking Republicans for being “weird.”
I agree. He has done a great job managing his career. We’ll see what happens
Peter Thiel has done a great job managing his career.
icymi, JD Vance is a vassal of Peter Thiel.
Could be. otoh, the big chair changes people. Some grow into the job.
Vance is a fucking monarchist.
Nah he’s a slightly more knowledgeable clown who is even more eager to do what the money backers want
I don’t know, is there a lot of couch in the white house, must take some time for him to introduce himself to all of them?
Theoretically there’s nothing stopping Trump from being president from prison.
There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball.
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
Cheat codes
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: de himself regardless of law.
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutors kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it’s called a “legal loophole”.
My first thought was “So we call ‘following the law’ a loophole now?”
If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.
WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.
'The voters are going to reject him and then we don’t have to go through all this messy business if prosecution."
It’s the moral elevation of inaction for its own sake above action for any reason.
In a word: Garland.
In two words: Merrick Garland
In three words: fucking Merrick Garland
In four words: fucking Merrick “Slowclown” Garland
In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.
Nobody is going to put an elected present in jail. It’s game over.
I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.
If Kamala won, he’d at most get a nice private prison that’d basically a rich people’s fancy retirement home, with access to amenities like tweeting from his “truth” social so its basically not different than being not having a prison sentence at all. But most likely he’d not even get prison, but a house-arrest with very relaxed restriction, because the judicial system will make up some excuse saying its impractical to keep a former president in prison citing “safety concerns”.
I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.
They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I’m not sure who’s ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario
I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.
I think it’s that he’s really bad at the job. He can’t keep people who disagree - or don’t agree forcefully enough. He can’t take advice, he’s not that good at coming up with plans.
Known evil?
I disagree though.
Incompetent evil is always preferable, and Vance seems to have entire sections of working grey matter
oui. he can’t help but get in his own way. he’s also endlessly distractable.
It’s not actually Trump that’s the biggest threat, it’s his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he’s just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that’s the best case scenario in this failed democracy…
Good news is the Republicans are varying levels of unhinged, so since Trump doesn’t actually care about policy they could become deadlocked again as they infight over how badly to screw up the country, probably with trying to muck up Medicare or the ACA again
You’re assuming they’re still going to be allowed to make decisions.
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules, but there’s very good reason to think those rules will be thrown out.
The USA is dead.
that’s not the point, the point is it would be hilarious
Vance is worse.
I’ve always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
What monster would the GOP pick to be Vance’s VP?
Liz Cheney, as a show of good fa
I’m sorry I couldn’t finish typing that.
Tbh I’m kind of expecting Trump to accidentally fall out of a window sometime around February. Maybe Easter. It’s a very special day for him.
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
I’m telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.
Yeah a president in prison can just go “As an official act, get me the fuck out of here”.
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
This would be most hilarious trip of bureaurocracy the world has ever seen.
Haha, hahahahaha, he could be in jail already for years and there’s people thinking he’ll go now? Hope is nice, but that’s just a dream
Y’all know even if that were to happen, assuming the Biden administration even allows this, the military would storm in whatever holding cell hes in and break him out on January 20, then he’ll invoke the insurrection act and order the arrest of NY state officials for treason.
Your cartoon kid doesn’t need to pray, he has magic little fish who grant his every wish.
This is something i never understood about this meme. like most ppl know who Timmy is, so why use him in this meme. Also, doesnt god exist in fairly odd parents, like didnt timmy met him or am i thinking of some other show
Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it’s over. He’s never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out…
But (as a European) it would be funny tho
Yea when hes dead, Redditors will go “We should resurrect trump to torture him”. 🤣
For the shit he’s done, they wouldn’t be wrong.
So you’d resurrect hitler and risk him escaping taking control of the world again just for the chance of satisfying your urges to inflict harm? Hell nah, let dead pieces of shit stay dead.
Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
Realistically probably not. However it’s best to not give up hope and call out those who aren’t enforcing the law.
If there’s enough fuss it’ll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.This is what the law is. It’s never applied to rich pale bros.
not with that attitude, get out on the streets already
What about orange pieces of shit?
Survey says no
You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump’s legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
If he’s not convicted of anything he can’t pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
You can’t really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
He won’t have to. He’ll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn’t need to do anything, they won’t result in a sentencing verdict that can’t be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That’s a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won’t know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
Oh yeah, I meant 2029 instead of 2025. I know it’s a long time but I was hoping that without an actual verdict the case could be brought up again when (if) the criminals no longer run the justice system. I know some cases are dismissed with and without prejudice, so if there’s any way they can officially be legally/permanently dispensed with I know he’ll do it.
I guess the best we can hope for is for him to just die soon. Just keep on eating those hamberders
so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we’d have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
Trump wouldn’t be delivering p25. He’s always been a puppet.
crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don’t know if you’ve ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn’t from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren’t doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
