Why would you need a loophole to put a criminal in jail?
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
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“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
JD Vance as president is an even more terrifying thought.
Beware the Monkey Paw
I see Vance as a half smart opportunist, not a full on Fascist.
I could be wrong.
Nah he’s a slightly more knowledgeable clown who is even more eager to do what the money backers want
Vance is a fucking monarchist.
icymi, JD Vance is a vassal of Peter Thiel.
Could be. otoh, the big chair changes people. Some grow into the job.
I’m from Germany, so my exposure to US politics is limited (yet still way too much). So, I happened to watch/listen to the new york times podcast interview with vance about 1-2 weeks before the election. Mind you, before that I assumed he was an awkward idiot because all I knew about him was the doughnut thing, laughing at his own joke, and the couch thing. So I basically only tuned in to hear that weird ass man speak for once.
Apart from the shitty interviewer, I was shocked to find that he would charm me every couple of minutes. Saying people change their minds, people make mistakes, explaining where he is coming from, talking about his wife. This was not who I expected. And I had to remind myself a couple of times: this dude is up to no good. Listen to what he is not saying. Don’t get sucked into this madness.
But damn he sounded so normal. So human. (Especially in contrast to the stuff I heard about him before.) And since then, I am honestly worried about this guy. I am definitely on the left spectrum politically speaking, and I still found some stuff relatable just by the way he talked. This scared me so much.
So I agree with you, I think he is an opportunist. And he actually knows what he is doing. I think he knows how to act and speak much better than the left US media tried to portray. They try to ridicule someone who is a very elaborate politician, and this can backfire so much, it’s dangerous. Don’t ridicule the devil in power. I believe if he wanted to, he could wrap a lot of people around his finger.
If you look at the election prediction history graph on Nate Silver’s substack, you see an upwards trajectory for Trump/Vance ever since the vice-presidential debate. That was also when the “Republicans are weird” narrative that was working so well for Harris/Walz abruptly left the discourse. And I believe that what happened was that Republicans who were embarrassed by Vance as well as Trump had a moment like you describe where he suddenly didn’t seem so unrelatable and that right there sunk the Dems… as much as it pains me to admit it, because I’d much rather have a party that wins on the issues and communicates clearly how insane and risky it was to vote for literal autocracy, the Harris campaign probably made the wrong choice with Walz and never should have stopped mocking Republicans for being “weird.”
I agree. He has done a great job managing his career. We’ll see what happens
Peter Thiel has done a great job managing his career.
Trump isn’t smart either. He’s just a figure head.
At the time Trump built his Tower, Jackie Kennedy was working to preserve Grand Central station in Manhattan. Trump had a golden opportunity to get in good with the most influential taste maker in the country, and blew it because he’s a greedy idiot and a vulgarian.
Younger generally means more hopeful and ambitious, so it really depends how much Peter Thiel has his hooks in him.
Vance at least has a non-white wife and is still on his first marriage so probably less bitter.
As an aside I was looking up everyone involved with founding PayPal. What a collective bunch of shit stains they are.
Seriously if folks knew what would happen with most of em back in the 90s im pretty some of the real old Rednecks wouldve killed em. Im talking the remains of those who fought in the county and union wars BTW.
I don’t know, is there a lot of couch in the white house, must take some time for him to introduce himself to all of them?
Theoretically there’s nothing stopping Trump from being president from prison.
There’s no rule that says a dog can’t play basketball.
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Cheat codes
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: de himself regardless of law.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutors kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
A couple of questions (from someone not from US):
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Can’t he just presidential pardon himself?
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Even if put in jail, can he continue to act as a president? Like, give out orders, hold meetings, etc?
Presidential pardons only apply to federal cases. Not state cases.
Yes. Yes he could act as president
For the first question, there’s a distinction between state and federal crimes, things like shoplifting are usually state level crimes, if you do something like counterfeiting or crossing state lines while doing a criminal activity that’s often federal. The president can only pardon federal crimes, they can’t pardon a state crime (a year or two ago Biden pardoned federal weed offenses but that affected almost nobody because most people jailed for weed are at the state level which he couldn’t pardon). Trump’s charges in New York are state level and he can’t pardon those.
Whether or not Trump can pardon himself for federal offenses (like the case in Florida that’s been killed by that Trump-appointed judge) is yet untested (Nixon resigned and was pardoned by his successor to avoid this exact question), and it’d likely go to the Supreme Court… so they’d probably let him pardon himself.
I’m going to pass on the second question because I think he could actually be president from jail but I don’t know for sure. I’m not a lawyer, lol. Didn’t legal eagle do some videos about this?
He can only pardon federal crimes, and the state of New York obviously can only prosecute state crimes
I think he can operate as president from jail.
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Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it’s called a “legal loophole”.
My first thought was “So we call ‘following the law’ a loophole now?”
If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.
WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.
In a word: Garland.
In two words: Merrick Garland
In three words: fucking Merrick Garland
In four words: fucking Merrick “Slowclown” Garland
In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.
'The voters are going to reject him and then we don’t have to go through all this messy business if prosecution."
It’s the moral elevation of inaction for its own sake above action for any reason.
Nobody is going to put an elected present in jail. It’s game over.
Oh God, PLEASE, I know by now it won’t happen, but I’m begging
I am convinced that if Kamala won Trump would have started an armed insurgency. Well, this would definitely about do it.
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I remember having dreams. You guys remember those? Fun times.
They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I’m not sure who’s ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario
I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.
I think it’s that he’s really bad at the job. He can’t keep people who disagree - or don’t agree forcefully enough. He can’t take advice, he’s not that good at coming up with plans.
It’s not actually Trump that’s the biggest threat, it’s his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he’s just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that’s the best case scenario in this failed democracy…
Good news is the Republicans are varying levels of unhinged, so since Trump doesn’t actually care about policy they could become deadlocked again as they infight over how badly to screw up the country, probably with trying to muck up Medicare or the ACA again
You’re assuming they’re still going to be allowed to make decisions.
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules, but there’s very good reason to think those rules will be thrown out.
The USA is dead.
oui. he can’t help but get in his own way. he’s also endlessly distractable.
Known evil?
I disagree though.
Incompetent evil is always preferable, and Vance seems to have entire sections of working grey matter
I’ve always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
What monster would the GOP pick to be Vance’s VP?
Liz Cheney, as a show of good fa
I’m sorry I couldn’t finish typing that.
Tbh I’m kind of expecting Trump to accidentally fall out of a window sometime around February. Maybe Easter. It’s a very special day for him.
Vance is worse.
that’s not the point, the point is it would be hilarious
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
I’m telling you, the premise of this should be a Michael Schur production.
Nothing in the Constitution prevents the President from holding the office from a jail cell.
This would be most hilarious trip of bureaurocracy the world has ever seen.
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Haha, hahahahaha, he could be in jail already for years and there’s people thinking he’ll go now? Hope is nice, but that’s just a dream
