Ah yes the free Palestine crowd…lol wait until they see what Israel will do with no US restraint demands.
Yes, a Very Special Thanks to the morally pure angels who refused to vote for Kamala Harris because they were standing on high ground about some issue they disliked her on. Well done, fuckheads.
It’s kamala’s fault tho /s
It really was (or at least the Democratic party’s fault). If you take every single third party voter, assign them to Kamala, she still loses.
The real problem here is that people needed to be convinced that voting was worth it when Trump was a candidate. How the fuck do you even reach someone with such a pathetic lack of concern for the world? Seriously you people think if she vowed to stop Israel, magically these dip shit knuckle dragging morons would’ve jumped at the chance to vote for her. Millions of people told us they give zero fucks. And fuck them for that.
American voters in general dgaf about things that don’t affect them. Israel is irrelevant to your median American voter.
Yeah I agree. After this result you cannot argue that Americans in general give a flying fuck about their neighbor. It’s fucking pathetic. Zero faith in America, maybe humanity, left here.
Alright! So Palestine is free now, right guys?..right?
Palestine is freed… from existing.
The genocide will finally stop!
Because there won’t be anyone left to kill
Of course they are! The non-voters and 3rd party voters did exactly what they said they’d do to free Palestine and now It’s all flowers and hugs as far as the eye can see over there!
Don’t mind the big sign in right in the center of their city that reads “Future Site of Giant Crater”, that’s nothing at all to worry about. Just focus on all the hugs!
Everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years because of the intentional famine. And it will happen completely under Biden without Trump even getting to the White House.
The community is literally dying and all you can do is throw insults.
Let’s meet back here on Jan 1st so I can say you’re full of shit directly to you.
I’m done arguing with you on this.
The UN isn’t lying when they said north Gaza has had no food delivered for weeks and the IDF isn’t lying when they said anyone left alive there who didn’t evacuate is an enemy combatant. The “Generals strategy” is playing out in Israel.
We’re all pissed that Trump won but don’t take it out on others who are also suffering alongside you.
I said I’m done arguing with you on this. You keep coming back for more. Walk away.
Ima be blunt. They would treat me exactly the same as republicans will, because im a trans woman so fuck me. Who it is does actually matter
If Kamala lost the election because she wasn’t in support of Palestine then why didn’t she just support Palestine?
I suppose that is one way to misread what was typed. GJ
What are you saying then?
I already said it…it isn’t my job to make you read it better. If you actually want to know then you will try again and do better, if not then you can shout into the void until you feel better.
sick bro
Maybe make your one issue election about your country and not others? And I mean if you really cared about Palestine, you wouldn’t have stood off to the side and let Trump through, cause now you’ll get to watch the complete annihilation of Palestine, and even more of your tax dollars will go towards the genocide
With Kamala you had someone you could work with and who responds to bad press and would have buckled to your demands. Now you got Trump who gives zero fucks about what you don’t like
I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.
If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?
They answered your question perfectly.
It wasn’t the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.
You’re doing the exact same thing. You are refusing to acknowledge any criticism to the Harris campaign and blaming voters for the loss.
Misogyny absolutely played a role in this election and I do not want to downplay the racism and misogyny that Harris had to work against, but she ran a fucking awful campaign. She sucked up to fascists, ignored her base, and belittled the concerns pro-palestine protestors.
I’m speaking now.
Saying she ran an awful campaign is a judgement, one neither of us qualified to make legitimately (correct me if I’m wrong and you have some relevant professional experience)
The voters spoke and said they did not see enough of a difference between Harris and Trump to vote for Harris, and the ones that saw a difference voted for Trump.
Harris was out there making her platform and politics known, performing at debates.
Saying she ran an awful campaign is a judgement
I mean yeah but if this is your mindset then why are you on the internet talking about politics? Am I supposed to meekly say, “Democrats tried their best but it just didn’t work out!”.
No I’m not an expert but I followed this election cycle quite closely and I listened to experienced commentators and weighed their opinions on the matter.
The average american is worse off than they have been in a long time and Harris did not adequately address that. She campaigned on securing the border and continuing to support a genocide. She didn’t promise to take on corporate greed, or to tax billionaires, or to make sure all americans have access to healthcare. She didn’t give voters anything to get excited about. Her campaign was laser focused on telling voters that Trump is bad and that they should vote for her.
Many people, myself included, think that was a terrible strategy. The election results seem evidence enough for me but apparently some people think election results are not a good indicator of whether or not someone ran a good campaign.
I think i can copy paste this comment somewhere on a 2016 thread about Hilary and it would make just as much sense.
How about you tell this to someone who isn’t white, or better yet, someone who has family affected by the situation in gaza.
That’s an excellent question. The Harris campaign decided to not let Palestinians speak at the DNC. The Uncommitted movement offered to endorse her but the staff refused to let any Palestinian Americans do so on camera, even with pre-vetted remarks. It’s mystifying and one of the major blunders of the Harris campaign.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans. Hence she wouldn’t meet with Palestinian-Americans and avoided all the Muslim voters in Pennsylvania who were trying to meet with her. She was working so hard to get Republicans to flip and support her, which is why she did a rally with Liz Cheney and talked about how much she’d help Israel, and decided the Arab-American and Muslim-American votes were expendable if it meant getting more Republicans.
Hillary tried the same strategy in 2016, and it failed badly. Throwing one of the most loyal democratic voting blocs under the bus to get Republicans to flip for them, has been a strategy of 2 of the last 3 elections (Biden promised to undo the Muslim ban but nothing else, so I don’t know if that counts) and they keep repeating this playbook with the same results. I fear that in 2028 they won’t even try to get our votes again and will try to cozy up to Trump’s Muslim ban in hopes that Republicans flip to democrat once again.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans.
Compare that with, “They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.” That line came from some four-term-President loser.
I’m not American
then please shut the fuck up.
Answers to your comment are hilarious, these people deserve Trump but they don’t even realise this. Rats complaining about cockroaches.
Im an Israeli anarchist, but I’m still going to try my best at explaining.
American liberals won’t ever appease leftists, or minorities, because they expect subservience and loyalty for nothing in return. In so doing they play right into the fascists’ hands, trying to serve right wingers who already made their minds up in voting for a fascist.
It is very likely not only more leftists but more Muslim and arabic people would’ve voted for dems if it weren’t for dems insisting that kamala should keep supporting israel and that criticism is amount to betrayal.
As much as i despise electoralism, being an anarchist and all, it’s very simple to understand how and why this happened even from an electoralist perspective, makes one think maybe american liberals just don’t want to understand.
And before anyone says I’m talking out of my ass about american libs, as if i don’t know them because I don’t live in the states: Know that they walk and talk just the same as israeli liberals, and these empty platitudes and threats of being a traitor are the same as i get at home.
If I’m understanding your comment correctly we’re more or less on the same page.
My question is not a literal question but me pointing out the paradox sucking up to Israel to “win the election” and then blaming pro-palestine voters after they lose the election.
Oh, yeah that makes more sense, we’re definitely on the same page.
Because they shouldn’t have beeded to be convinced. Trump was obviously the worse choice for Palestine. The most basic realpolitik shouldve told them to hold their nose. They are to blame for putting their ideals over the lives of everyone around them and even those they want to save.
Ok you go say that to their faces. Tell them they should suck it up and vote for an administration that is funding a genocide against their people. Tell them they’re being “idealistic” when they speak out against a genocide.
Liberals are amazing.
Put one in front of me, I gladly will
Because in the coalition of Democratic voters and donors, there are also those who unconditionally support Israel, and they outnumber those who support the Palestinians.
That’s not why she lost the election. The whole “Democrats support genocide!” meme was a propaganda technique to suppress Dem voter turnout. It had an effect, but on its own, I don’t think it was decisive. Sadly, most Americans, including Democrats and progressive, don’t give a shit about the Palestinians, except to cry crocodile tears. And the vast majority of the Republicans are fine with further expanding the genocide.
Ah nice, you’re getting a head start on the “blame the voter” strategy for the next election. Good job!
Does anyone have a source for turnout compared to 2020?
That’s a big difference.
Yeah, all the people who sat this vote out put Trump in the Oval Office.
All I know is, and I know I’ll get destroyed for this kinda proving my point, but I’ve never seen so much division, insults, hate, and even racism, thrown around by leftists to other leftists, than I have in this election. The intolerance and in fighting is through the roof.
For a non-American this thread and other like this are hilarious: the people who spent the last year campaigning “Vote Not Trump” now blame everybody else but themselves for how their strategy of having a candidate who did nothing to appeal to voters and sold fear of the other instead, failed miserably.
So they post tons of such “it’s the fault of everybody else” memes as topics were they and other members of the tribe make posts with wild ass reasons for why it really is everybody else’s faults and responding to such posts from others by basically saying “yeah, you’re so right”, like one gigantic circle jerk, pretty much a continuation of what they were doing for a whole fucking year - a big fat circle jerk whilst not paying attention to anybody else - only now they’re doing it with sad faces.
Sure, it’s the 14 millions who stayed home that are to blame, not the massive incompetence of the DNC and the mindless tribalist muppets trading dumb Trump and Vance memes whilst thinking that their “leaders” deserved a win merelly for wearing the right pin on their jacket and not being Trump, without needing to actually have policies that appealed to their natural voters.
“Bloody natural Democrat voters, not going to polls and doing what they’re supposed to do!”
What a heady, heady mix of stupidity and sense of entitlement.
Reminds me of the whole saying: “Only two things are infinite - the Universe and Human Stupidity - and we’re not sure about the first”
Big ups to those people who “voted against genocide”.
Taking the data from here and throwing it in a spreadsheet, Trump got more votes than everyone else combined, including the Libertarian party, RFK Jr, and Write-ins.
Looking at that chart, she would have won in Wisconsin and gotten their ten electoral votes.
What does it look like for the rest of the states?
Across the country, it was Trump: 71,825,780 Everyone else: 69,303,000
It says at the top of the page it was last updated a day ago, but I kind of doubt the numbers will change too dramatically.
67m for Harris to 72m (rounded up) on the BBC; it was really not close eh.
Biden got 81.2 million.
How the fuck are people not voting. After all that.
Amnesia.
How the fuck are people not voting.
Massive voter suppression, and propaganda.
The other person was making the point that you can’t do it by total popular vote, you have to do it by state and then look at their electoral college votes.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless. This is the first time a Republican won the popular vote since 2004, or since 1988 if you don’t want to count an incumbent victory. That alone should tell you plenty about the state of the country right now.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless
And its also how a president is elected in the United States, or 2016 would have gone a bit differently.
Your comment is dumb and pointless, yet here it is.
See how far your logic goes?
It’s dumb and pointless, but it’s literally the way a president is elected today. We have had many instances of people being elected president who didn’t win the popular vote. So if you want to try to figure out if third party candidates caused Trump to get elected, you have to look at it state by state.
But how do you count “didn’t vote”? And what about “voted on other parts but not for President because genocide or whatever”? That second group might be countable, but the first is like proving a negative
But how do you count “didn’t vote”?
I didn’t, that’s voter turnout and probably won’t be fully available till all the votes are counted. If you’re impatient though, here’s the washington post comparing 2024 voter turnout to 2020.
You probably look at how many citizens there are, and look at how many voted. Then do some magic math.
Special shout-out to the folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
What if my state is California?
Who did you vote for?
It doesn’t matter. Point is, some states will, without a question, vote blue.
So you voted third party and don’t want to admit you helped Trump win. Nice
What a dumb conclusion to make. I didn’t vote because I legally can’t. My point is that some states are most definitely always blue. California is one of them.
I didn’t vote because I legally can’t.
Then shut up.
I thought my state would go blue. Went out to vote anyway and voted blue. Brought my spouse out to vote as well. Our state did not go blue. Country is fucked
folks that voted third party because “my state will be blue”
Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…
- Pennsylvania - Trump up by 130k votes, Jill Stein got 33k votes
- Michigan - Trump up by 84k votes, Jill Stein got 45k votes
- Wisconsin - Trump up by 28k votes, Jill Stein got 12k votes
Are all Jill Stein votes from protest voters? Nah, there are diehard Green supporters out there.
Are there other 3rd party candidates? Of course, but how many RFK (more votes than Stein in WI) voters could she have converted? Almost none.
This was her blue wall road to victory, show me the electoral path to victory ruined by third party voters who would have otherwise voted Democrat.
This election was lost by people not showing up to vote. Trump is sitting at almost 72M votes right now compared to 74M in 2020. Harris is only at 67M now, compared to Biden’s 81M in 2020. While there are still votes to count, there aren’t 15M votes left to count.
Whether it was lack of interest, protest, or whatever reason, 10% of voters stayed home this year.
A good chunk of biden voters then were shepherded in by Bernie since Biden ended up compromising with Bernie for the transition.
Imagine if Harris threw a bone to the left. Those are some of the 15 million who stayed home.
I blame the Stein voters exactly as much as I blame the people staying at home. And neither as much as the people who voted for Trump.
And you lay absolutely zero blame at the feet of the Democratic Party itself?
Removed by mod
My election registration got canceled three times this year. The last two times it was because of a “duplicate”, and they were counting my canceled registrations as duplicates. I have no idea if my ballot got counted, or if it was discarded.
I vote blue in one of those red states…
Write to the white house and ask them to investigate it as fraud. Because there was shenanigans pulled in red states for that.
Americans overseas had their ballots challenged in Pennsylvania and there is still a lawsuit over that.
Similar here actually. I usually try to vote by mail, but by the time I finally got registeration and residency handled after 2 online registrations and two visits to the elections office, early voting was over, so I had to go to the polls on election day
“Admittedly not all the votes are in, but…” you’ll pretend to make a point with vote counts anyway.
I am so fucking sick of all this shit.
We don’t have 15 million outstanding votes. They said that in their post.
Unless the dems can pull 15 million votes out of their ass, Trump won.
- Pennsylvania - 98.3% Reporting
- Michigan - 98.7% Reporting
- Wisconsin - 99% Reporting
These states have been called for Trump. The remaining outstanding vote will not impact this result. The remaining vote is not going to come in all for Jill Stein or other third party candidates. The point that protest votes for third party candidates did not rob Harris of an electoral college victory will stand once 100% of the vote is in.
Okay, now you’ve supplied enough information to validate what you’re saying. Thanks.
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
The DNC failed, plain and simple.
Wisconsin and Michigan.
Got me there, though if you look and tally only the left candidates who might’ve actually gone for Harris otherwise it’s still not true.
And in any case, she still loses even if she got these states.
And Pennsylvania and Georgia. The so-called swing states really took a wild swing this time.
Third party votes were pretty much at their average. Except in Deerborn Michigan, but that’s still not enough to flip Michigan and I can’t blame Muslim voters there from being pissed.
They should be pissed. We all should be pissed.
No state had enough third party votes to flip red to blue had they all gone blue, so can we give this a rest?
But they wanna blame someone who doesn’t impact anything! Why blame a bad campaign when you can blame 0.03% of the voters!
It was a good campaign. Maybe it could have been even better, sure, but the amount of Monday night quarterbacking in here is silly.
The only thing I can question about it, I’m not even sure about.
The problem wasn’t anything the campaign did. The problem was that “did joe Biden drop out” was trending on Google the day of the election. Tell me how to reach those people.
Do you think there weren’t enough ads? Not enough door knocking? What exactly, would you have them do?
I don’t think you can educate people who learned Biden dropped out on election night, those people are too stupid to vote. Especially since my YouTube for weeks after Harris was the nominee, I got a lot of donation ads staring her, not once mentioning Biden.
I don’t know if more ads would have gotten her a bigger spotlight, but I do know that its political non-sense to claim to help those who fascist targets, then ignore the calls of those who fascist targets, and then buddy up with subtler-fascists like Dick and Liz Chaney.
Its like she was trying to say “You go along with this, you’re never going to vote for Trump, he hates you, I don’t.” And she was right, they didn’t vote for Trump as he hates them.
No it was an objectively bad campaign. Harris should have run as a change candidate and distanced herself from Biden. That was the whole point of getting him to drop out. He was less popular than Trump
I actually think people who think any part of politics is “plain and simple” are the real problem.
“The real problem” sounds pretty plain and simple that.
Seriously though what are you saying? What’s the point of that statement?
They failed, that’s plain and simple. The cause behind that? Probably more complicated.
Yeah, and since it sounds pretty much that way, it definitely is that way and you win the internet argument, right?
I think the main problem in discussing most issues is that people oversimply them. Memes and meme-level thinking don’t get to the essence of an issue, they just pretend to by expressing a single point of view, reinforcing the false belief that the whole issue is plain and simple, and excusing people for not bothering to exert their brains much before the scroll to the next item in their feed.
deleted by creator
Now count those that didn’t vote at all.
Some of them tried but state shenanigans prevented their ballot from counting.
Maybe the Democratic party should have been better st convincing these people that didn’t vote, instead of alienating them on both the economy and foreign policy.
But sure, go out and scream at people for not supporting Genocide and for feeling worse off financially after Biden. I’m sure that will convince a lot of people to vote for your party at the next election.
The US is really the only country where, the more people despise the party that they vote for, theore they are told they are protecting “democracy” and “freedom”. Freedom and democracy for who ? Clearly not for the average person that felt completely left out by the only 2 electable parties.
Hope those people enjoy what trump has to offer them for the next four years, and possibly longer.
Also- no one supported genocide. You can stop now.
You won.
If voting for a party (and maybe even telling others to vote for them) is not supporting their current action (especially when the candidate that is running is currently in power) than I don’t know what your definition of “support” is.
I mean, voting and helping the campaign of the party doing the genocide right now seems to fall under “support” in my book. So if you ever told anyone to vote Blue no matter who, and then voted for them, you did support them doing what they are doing.
Otherwise that would be quite dumb of you. You could have spent those energies actually helping a party/movement that support what your actual stance is.
But how else will they blame anyone but themselves?
The meme is literally how else.
Yeah I heard halo polish is on sale at Walmart, they should check it out.
Why not a picture of Kamala that says… “Sorry my neocon genocide platform didn’t work.”
Yeah, bcz Trump isn’t going to do the exact same thing… not an excuse. I’d rather have someone in office i can criticize and disagree with than this sack of shit who’s, in all likelihood, eventually plan will include death camps for anybody who disagrees with him. People clearly don’t remember how chaotic his first term in office was.
Now tha the election is over and we can see that the Harris attempt of “well, we won’t be worse than we are now” didn’t get people to vote, I think it’s okay to get angry about it. If America manages to survive this, this lesson HAS to be learnt. I’m fucking pissed off at the dems.
I did my part to try to get Harris elected. And I really am going to hate having to deal with smug chuds on the right as well as having liberals trying to justify the shitty platform of the loser.
I’m fucking pissed, disappointed, and sad for the future. We have seen this playbook in country after country. I hope to God I’m wrong, but I’m fairly certain life is about to get a whole lot worse for a lot of people, maybe not right away, but sooner than we think.
As a trans parent of a trans kid, I think we are first in line for day one bullshit. Very scared atm
I can’t say I entirely disagree with you, but the death camps thing is a bit much. In a hypothetical scenario where that is actually accurate, wouldn’t that make people like Thomas Crooks a martyr? Are you really willing to go there?
Have you not looked at the project 2025 plans?
So you think Thomas Crooks was a martyr then and Ryan Routh is a hero?
Yep
When did I say anything about those two? You brought it up, not me.
If there will be death camps for opposition, people that tried to stop them would be heros right? Military veterans have been called heros for much less.
This is the democratic process. He won the electoral college and the popular vote. I’m not going to call people heros for trying to assassinate someone for something they haven’t done yet. I’m just making a prediction that I think will come to pass, which I am really hoping is wrong. You are free to say, and think what you want.
The really funny thing is that this person was, in another thread, claiming that fascism was their posts getting “censored.”
The one time you had the chance to actually stop fascism, you decided to not do it.
And now you blame those that tried to?
I really hope you’re happy with Trump. Because you helped elect him.
This is the third election in a row that Trump ran for president. Are you saying he wasn’t fascist before?
Or a picture of Jill Stein saying: Christmas came early I got a bonus from Russia.
The Gaza problem is as good as solved now.
Now Israel can definitely get through their final solution.
Don’t worry, we’ll get our own here in the U.S., and people will just watch it happen.
Unfortunately yeah
Put up a better candidate then, it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden? You had options, you just didn’t bother to put up a better candidate.
You are never going to have a perfect candidate on every issue to represent everyone left of fascism in the US. And this line of “run a better candidate” just means you never actually cared in the first place. Enjoy the fascism from your high horse.
Just gutted by the amount of people that would rather watch the world burn than have to vote for someone that didn’t match their 1 issue 100%, and knowing the alternative was 100% worse on all options.
I voted Harris because I know Palestinians are going to be worse off under Trump. These people screaming about genocide can never give a good alternative candidate. I’m just calling it out.
it’s not like Jill Stein or Cornel West wasn’t in the primary race, where were you to vote for them over Biden?
Jill Stein and Cornell West were not candidates in the 2024 Democratic primary election. They are not Democrats…
This is a ballot from the General election, not the Democratic primary. It doesn’t even satisfy your requirements! Biden isn’t on it!
Not in a lot of states they weren’t
2012, 2016, and 2024 all have pretty equal share Dem votes, 2020 is the spike in Dem. So it speaks more to apathy than genocide.
Also, with Trump, Gaza is glass. They are so fucked now that the Biden stuff is going to look like a US school shooting where no one cares. I guess the upshot is that we won’t have to worry about Gaza much longer since all the Palestinians will be turned into dust soon.
But everyone knew that. Staying home just meant you wanted the Palestinians dead at a faster rate without tangential guilt. Easy for one to excuse Trump giving the nod for bibi to end everyone if you can say “well I didn’t vote for him.”
This argument is based on no facts at all. There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters, and Trump won Michigan by a margin so big that it was more than every Arab-American in the entire state and then some.
AND everyone in North Gaza will be dead by New Years because the UN reports no food has been allowed to be delivered in over a month and the “Generals Plan” in Israel says everyone who didn’t evacuate will be treated as a Hamas fighter and killed on sight. That’s ALL on Biden without Trump even entering the White House yet. Biden doesn’t even airdrop food anymore. So bashing this as a “but Trump will turn Gaza into glass” is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand.
There’s no polling data showing that Gaza was even a top 3 issue among voters
I didn’t say it was. As you may note from my comment.
So it speaks more to apathy than genocide
is a moot point since Biden will have killed everyone there months beforehand
One, neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone. It’s the permissive nature of the United States and their supplies.
Two, Israel isn’t in a position to carry out the operation that you are indicating. They’re still far short supplied on that front. Over the weekend ahead of the election, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin indicated that the negotiated terms for aid had failed, which clears the path for the US to end weapons delivery to the country under a Leahy determination. Now of course Trump will resume those shipments, but critical missile deployments are likely to end for the time being, especially seeing how it doesn’t matter if Biden or Harris secure shit in votes.
Three, the UN World Food Programme has indicated about 10% of their target supply mission for aid is getting through. So there is indeed food, just not enough to feed everyone.
The thing is, the suffering will likely continue long into 2026 because Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits. And you have a hard time sending a clear message with just dead people. The suffering and the pain is the point of what Israel is doing. The land is a nice bonus, but just killing everyone outright doesn’t show the level of suffering that Israel can actually implement. It’s that being able to drag one’s pain and misery out for years on end that Israel is after.
If Israel wanted to carpet bomb the place, they would have asked for that at the start before the relationship soured.
neither Biden nor Trump are killing anyone
Biden has publicly said that a country supplying weapons is just as guilty as the one using those weapons. He was talking about Iran giving Russia weapons that are used against Ukrainians, and he’s a hypocrite if he pretends Israel is any different, particularly when he is the one vetoing ceasefires at the UN and rewarding Netanyahu for refusing to take ceasefire deals.
“Correction, 10% of the food is entering Gaza” means famine will continue and mass starvation. A war crime against literal millions of people. Do you think that being slightly off on the death toll means it’s acceptable?
Israel has every intention of sending a very clear message for future Hamas recruits
Israel has tried this strategy for 30 years and it never worked and will not work. You’re basically pushing a “bomb them until they love us” strategy.
70% of the buildings are destroyed. Tent cities were set on fire. Palestinians burned alive in hospital beds. It’s virtually indistinguishable from carpet bombing.
There you go. Blame progressives and people that wanted good things. Attack the people that want change, rather than demand Democrats change anything. That’ll certainly get you a victory like it did this time. Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
Yes I will blame the ultra progressives who annoy me almost as much as maga. Ya’ll just love to “talk” about change but you just cause more chaos for dems. Hope you enjoy living under MAGA because of your fucking pride.
You’re mad, we get it. Still, if you’re not even wondering if Dems did the wrong thing by forcing Harris as the candidate then we’re not going to win next time either. We had Progressive Obama win in convincing fashion twice, followed by three neoliberals in a row with only one of them being able to eke out a win. That should paint a pretty clear picture of what we need to do to win going forward and it’s not trying the same fucking thing for a fourth time in a row.
I don’t really give two damns about your reasons. You want Trump in office? You got him.
I’m already rich so putting Trump in office only helps people like me. Thanks man, keep it up!
I voted for Harris. Nothing I said implied otherwise. Quit being an arrogant little bitch and think about the future unless you’re content with complaining about losing for the rest of your life.
You’re arguing with a child. They don’t want to concede. I’ve been doing it all day at work. I voted for Harris and I’ve been bitching about the Dems to my fellow Dems. They don’t get it. They won’t. You might as well argue with chatGPT at this point.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Don’t worry, he’ll live comfortably with himself because all the bad things MAGA will do in the next 4 years and beyond will be the Dems fault. No self reflection or personal accountability will occur.
It’s all talk. These people are just lazy and their heroes are lazy. I pointed out to someone earlier that Jill Stein was not an option on the Indiana ballot even as a write-in because candidates have to be declared as write-ins. And all Jill Stein’s campaign had to do to be a write-in on the Indiana ballot was file a two-page form. That’s it. They threw a big fit and tried to show that it wasn’t true by pointing out a court case where the Greens and Libertarians sued to be on the ballot properly, not just as a write-in.
Just pure laziness. They weren’t willing to put in an effort, they just posted endless rude and harassing things online for months and did nothing to help.
Is there any evidence to support the claim that ultra-progressives caused Harris to lose?
Quick google search and you can for it yourself.
I’ll just post the very first link
*Perceived* leftward shift. The Democrats aren’t that left wing in the first place. If democrats are going to be perceived as too left wing regardless of reality, they might as well take on some left-wing policies, so they can at least bribe voters with stuff that obviously and immediately makes things better for them like UBI.
If you’re suggesting throw LGBTQ people under the bus, that is just wrong. What would we be fighting for at that point?
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Please shut the fuck up. You got Trump in office.
Blame progressives and people that wanted good things
Was genocide a matter in 2012 or 2016? 2020? If 2012, 2016 and 2024 are same numbers, I’d think it’s safe to point to similar conditions in mindset.
I don’t blame the sky for being blue, it just is.
rather than demand Democrats change anything
This part doesn’t make any sense. You can’t solve a problem without first identifying the problem. You can’t change anything if you deny the thing that needs to change. Am I missing some core argument of yours?
Is your new plan in 2028 to just attack everyone who isn’t blindly loyal?
I’m not attacking them. Apathy is a thing. Happens. If some coach comes out and doesn’t motivate their team, are we blaming the players for not getting excited enough? Like I don’t understand your perspective here. Do you want Democrats to change or not? Because if sounds like whenever someone addresses the issue you knee-jerk into “I’m BeInG aTtAcKeD!!!”
It needs to be said. That’s all there is to it.
Because i can’t see how it’s an actual serious argument when you have a multiply adjudicated criminal who ran an objectively bad campaign. This wasn’t a marginal low-turnout election won by only the terrible structure of the electoral college, this was a large number of people who looked at Trump and agreed.
Big thanks to all the Americans who voted in favor of another trump presidency. He couldn’t have won without them.
Like every year, only about 1/3 of eligible voters did. I will never again listen to a single fucking thing people who didn’t vote or those who threw it away on a 3rd-party candidate have to say.
There are people in fascist authoritarian countries (incoming in 3, 2, 1…) who would love to vote and have it matter. They would even choose to die for it…
You really should listen to them though. They are telling you exactly what they want.
Ignoring them and then being surprised and mad they didn’t show up wasn’t the play. And it will continue not being the play.
What are you actually talking about? See, this is the exact disconnect I’m referencing. “Listen to them”? How can I, when they have voluntarily made themselves voiceless. Say what you will about the maga freaks, at least they believe in something and do the bare minimum by voting.
I completely understand being disillusioned with the election process or even thinking bOtH SiDeS are the same, but… In an election for President, Senators, House and local Representatives, ballot measures, etc, if you’re eligible to vote and don’t, you’re part of the problem. Even if you’re okay with the status quo for yourself, children, friends, family, and vulnerable people, you’re still taking a large risk in such a close election as it’s a transitional time and no one knew what the exact results would be…
I know that’s quite a rant. But all I’m really saying is they have no right to complain after sitting on the sidelines when it mattered, and I simply won’t listen to a thing they say now…
Why would anyone vote for the Democratic Party ?
Like sure, you need to be racist and almost a Nazi to vote for the Republican Party but what did the Democrats bring to the table ?
Nothing, Kamala was campaigning on nothing because she told everyone she was going to be like Biden. By looking at polls you will we that people are feeling economically worse off right now that 4 years ago. Biden did this, the Democrats did this, if they wanted to win they would have run a different candidate (or actually done the primaries) that would become a symbol for change.
But instead they just decided, undemocratically, to run the VP, the one person other than Biden that is responsible for the policies of the last 4 years. And then Kamala H. even said to people at rallies that she was going to be like Biden !? Thats crazy, it really makes you wander if the Democratic Party even cares about winning or if they are just controlled opposition at this point. After what they did to Bernie Sanders twice, I think we all know has things really are.
Also let’s remember that Harris also decided that she would campaign in favor of Genocide ! How crazy is that, the party supposedly on the left was already completely supporting Israel and they said they were going to be supporting them.
But unlike the Republicans, K. Harris would also say some empty words about how bad killing Palestinians was. Then she would obviously reassure everyone that she still wanted to support Israel until the end, because she can’t risk people confusing her for an actual leftist.
After all they were trying to convince this inexistent moderate suburban white republican that actually wants to vote Dems. And for that they abandoned their whole base.
Trump is going to be worse ? Yes, for sure. Did Kamala Harris offer any alternative, anything at all to convince people to go out and vote ? Did she actually convince people she would be more than just slightly less evil ? No, she did not.
Also if you go back and listen to her plans for immigration and the border, there is literally no difference from how she talks and how a Republican talks.
That’s why she lost. She didn’t care about the Democratic voters, and for this reason they didn’t show up. It is up to the political party to convince people of their policy. Democracy dies when you can’t vote for what’s important to you, because at that point, why even vote ? The politicians don’t care about you anyway.
Blaming voters is wrong, it is the fault of the Democratic Party and it deserve to loose every election until the reallign with their voters. Until they propose to them popular policies and show interest in their support.
Trump didn’t get more votes than 2020.
And despite that he still got millions of votes. Millions of Americans want this. We’re a country of terrible people.
Hear, hear. Truly terrible people. It’s like half of my countrymen are the people from Always Sunny.
Hey now. We’re only half full of terrible people. Some of us did our best to do the right thing.
Half full of terrible registered voter people.
More than half the country if you count the people who voted for him and the people who didn’t vote.
Don’t forget the spoiler voters.
deleted by creator
They didn’t spoil anything.
It doesn’t matter. You are ignoring the rot at the core. Even if people turned out and kamala won - it Trump should have broken the Republican party. It should not have been a competition.
trump voters don’t make any* deflections on who they are. the cruelty IS what they vote for. it’s not gonna break the republican party, it’s what they’ve been asking for. Trump just tapped into it. can’t do anything about those fuckers and trying isnt worth it.
I want to look at the people who just sat this round out because it wasn’t exciting and wouldnt really harm them. going back to “this isnt who we are” as a culture and pleading with them is not gonna work.
I’m not sure that statement can be verified at this point in time.
It’s close though. Big shift (so far) is 10 million ish fewer for Harris
They haven’t finished counting the votes yet. Unless you are somehow comparing to the exact point in the count 4 years ago, this type of analysis is very premature. Except even that would be a bad idea because covid made things weird in 2020.
It’ll be a little while until we get a good handle on turnout. Until then don’t read too much into it.
The message was loud and clear: America writ large is not ready for anything less than a straight, white, male president. Its time to stop being delusional, Obama was a fluke, and not going to be repeated. You might not like hearing it, but its the reality on the ground, don’t take it from me.
In retrospect, I think Biden could have shat himself on live TV while asleep at the podium and probably have still gotten elected, the bar was so, so low. Kamala basically ran a prefect campaign, its just not what America wants.
Looks like fairly close to the same amount v9ted this election (at least in my state) as the 2020 election. Maybe slightly higher.
Lotta people are blaming the dnc for the L. I blame them for forcing Hillary in 2016, but this go around? No. Neither candidate in 2024 was a great pick, but Harris was still clearly a better choice to run the country, and anyone could find that with a touch of research. Even passively.
This time around it’s because the majority of Americans are uneducated, short sighted, idiots. They voted in a senile 80 year old republican felon, while every one who worked under him in 2016 said not to vote for him, economists said not to vote for him, and everyone else but Putin across the globe screamed not to vote for him.
But the media conglomerates are cheering. Just think how many clicks they will get now when rapey orange says something colossally stoopid.
In 2020
Biden: 81.2 million
Trump: 74.2 millionIn 2024 so far
Harris: 67.0
Trump: 71.9Trump got about the same amount of votes. Dems lost 14 million votes.
Youch. I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time, even more than in 2020. Screw this country. There was no reason for them to not go vote. People suck.
I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time,
Your problem is you view dems as “the left” when they are capitalists through and through. Trump is good for neo-liberalism and all the imperialism that comes with it.
He’s bad for anyone making under 7 figures a year.
I think they know that. It would make sense for them to say what they did if they knew it.
Big thanks to all the Dems who decided getting millions from AIPAC was worth throwing the election.
Damn it, @[email protected], you’re supposed to be here to make us laugh, not make us cry.
This is Maggotys version of the Day the Clown Cried, by Jerry Lewis
Well then please lead me into the gas chamber and put me out of my misery.
Right behind ya
Good job tools!
