Thanks to the campaign and candidates that were so bad they failed to motivate enough voters. Most people aren’t glued to politics and it’s the parties job to go to where those people are and get them interested. Harris, Biden, and the dems failed horribly at doing that
It’s the people’s responsibility to go out and vote. It doesn’t take much time to look up each candidate. If you have the slightest preference for one candidate, then go out and vote! No need to be glued at politics to do this.
If you don’t want to take this responsibility, fine, but then don’t complain that you don’t like the result.
The perspective that your just outlined lost this election. Do you want to beat fascism? If so you have to gain the interest of people who didn’t come out in this election. If the stakes are really that high are you gonna lecture people or appeal to them?
That’s like the same energy of
“Do you want pizza or lasagna?”
“I don’t care. Pick whatever”
“Ok I got lasagna for you then”
“No I don’t want lasagna. I want pizza! Why didn’t you try harder to make me choose pizza?”
American people are responsible for voting for Trump. Not the Democratic Party.
If voters needed additional motivation to vote against that, it’s entirely their fault. “You didn’t convince me enough so now I’m going to kill you”, a line that a cartune villain would say, and we all understand that it’s villain. But " you didn’t convince me enough so I vote for that one who is going to kill millions" is apparently an OK take
Most people aren’t glued to politics. It’s the job of the campaign to get people’s attention and give them a reason to vote. They clearly failed at that because they lost. You can blame human nature but a good campaign takes human nature into account and this campaign was not a good one.
Do you want to win or do you just want to blame the people? If you want to win you have to find a way to motivate them whether they are being reasonable or not
Dont copy paste shit in multiple comments, first of all. Supremely lazy.
Secondly, no. There is a certian point where a reasonable person votes against something, and we were way past that point
Do you give up because people aren’t reasonable? Or do you find a way to appeal to them despite that? If you pick giving up then you’re letting fascism win
At no point did I suggest giving up, it’s just frustrating to have such a slapdash coalition
The message was loud and clear: America writ large is not ready for anything less than a straight, white, male president. Its time to stop being delusional, Obama was a fluke, and not going to be repeated. You might not like hearing it, but its the reality on the ground, don’t take it from me.
In retrospect, I think Biden could have shat himself on live TV while asleep at the podium and probably have still gotten elected, the bar was so, so low. Kamala basically ran a prefect campaign, its just not what America wants.
This post proves Bernie Sanders right about at least one person.
STOP WITH FUCKING BERNIE. HES A MAN WAITING FOR DEATH. wake up and work for it with new people. Every comment for Bernie at this point is a vote against a future left of the GOP
Edit: or am I wrong, is someone going to vote for an 87 year old man who will be 88 when he starts and 92 when he finishes? Fuck
Kamala basically ran a perfect campaign? I would be shocked if you could name one policy idea of hers and the implementation planned for it.
When did you fuckers started caring about policies? Concepts of a plans, that’s what matters apparently, and that’s what you deserve. She probably did herself a disservice even talking about any policies at all, you braindead morons fell asleap the second she started. Well you personally did, since you can’t name even one
Don’t waste your time arguing with morons from .ml.
Is there a name for this weird grouping some of you are using to cope? “‘You’ fuckers” “‘They’ are going to see now”, like it’s not xenophobia, it’s not particularly racism, but definitely feels like a flavor of it. It’s like a fan upset their team lost and is blaming the crowd, but feels more nefarious.
Obama was a once in many generation politician, he had charisma and appeal no democrat president ever had. Democrats better field a white straight male from now on if they want to win, forget women president for 3-4 decades now. The kind of misogyny in america is crazy, I am from India, a third world country and even we had a female Prime Minister in our 75 year of independent history, and she was very much respected and one of the most popular. America in its 250 year of history had none, thats just crazy for a so called superpower
Obama was and is and always will be a centrist playing the role of a leftist. Romneycare watered down with extreme Republican ramrodding torpedoeing their own policies into Romneycare-lite and Obama still went with it. That’s some of the reasons why people hate hate and really hate corpo dems and their nominees. Either voters get turned off or turned away or turned against.
Kamala and DNC are to blame for this mess.
The guy won the popular vote. The people who sat the election out would probably have broken for Trump too.
The problem here isn’t voter turnout, it’s voter preference for a fascist.
Maybe if the democratic party wasn’t complete shit they would have more appeal.
Actually, the problem appears to be exactly voter turn out. With a healthy heaping of Neo-Liberal rot in the Democratic Party.
Sure, because everyone who stayed home was a democrat. Every Republican voted.
Pretty much 15 million people didn’t vote this election who voted in 2020. Major difference was every one was home. A good bit of people had nothing to do in 2020. 2024 we had to work and a life not a good reason but turns out without a national holiday with everyone off but emergency services. 15 million less people voted.
Pretty much every republican voted except 2-3 million. 11-12 million democrats were doing other things this year
The “genocide” propaganda worked, and now Trump will help Netanyahu expand it.
Republican voter base is most likely to have the motivation or resources or both to go to the voting booth to vote for Drumpf. All other voters need a convincing reason to lose out their paycheck to go vote at risk of losing their job. Dems and Kamala are to blame. Not the voters.
Fascist country
“He didn’t elaborate on what would be ‘nasty.’”
Bullies usually don’t elaborate. Being vague lets you fill in your own demons, which is more frightening.
Also plausible deniability when the thugs he’s whistling to go out and bash gays or blacks or Mexicans or whoever (athough in their minds he was giving them permission). “I never said go bash heads. No, I meant nasty as in peacefully, as in not sugarcoating the hard truth, which can be nasty.”
Ah yes the free Palestine crowd…lol wait until they see what Israel will do with no US restraint demands.
Well, what’s important is that Harris never listened to people who care about Palestinians. Surely, we will all be better off that the Harris campaign decided to hew closely to Biden’s policies, court Republicans for her cabinet and chase suburban Trump voters. Clearly, this is entirely the fault of individual voters, and we all agree that the campaign, corporate media organizations and monied interests bear no responsibility for this whatsoever.
Whats important is the outcome of policy. Frankly, Gaza is a fucking excuse. You didnt wanna show up, whatever the reason, and you were perfectly happy to sell all the women and non-whites and lgbt folks and everyone else outside of the
AryanMurican master race up the river. Including the fucking Palestinians. Trump will be worse for them. We all know this, it is not up for debate. Yet instead of try ro mitigate this genocide you care so much about, you use them as a shield to justify your inaction. Every single Harris voter was willing to do more for Palestine than you are ever going to be capable of.those are alot of words for a cuck.
you enjoy cucking Americans with those words?
yeah don’t worry. that mouth will be a great asset in the camps, so just keep running it.
What’s important is that you’re wrong and this line of thinking leads to things getting worse
Weird, seems like it’s been the repeated denial of progressive issues while courting further and further right that has cost the Democrats the four of the past seven elections, no matter how much we beg for the slightest crumb of civil rights.
I remember how much we had to fight Democrats to get Gay Marriage and LGBT rights in general, and have seen how far they have fled from unions and healthcare. And I say this as someone who has actually done phone banking for the Dems, and has been telling people who are personally invested in what happens to people in Palestine that Harris is the best option on the ballot.
But, yeah, I guess individual voters are the best people to blame, and complaining that people cared enough about an issue to get out and do political action are the problem, and we should smugly congratulate ourselves that they should have just shut up and got with the program, their friends and family members be damned.
So full of shit. The Dems have been robustly defending your civil rights this whole fucking time. Go check the ACLU’s legislative scorecards: you’ll find virtually every Dem rep and senator with a 100% voting record aligned with the ACLU, and almost zero GOP pols with a 100% grade (I found one senator on the 2020 scorecard at 100%). Some GOP pols, like Josh Hawley, score 0%.
The Dems do the damned work, quietly and diligently. Unions saw their biggest gains in decades under Biden. Real wages rose under Biden, more than inflation, and rose highest for the bottom quintile. There hasn’t been an administration in my lifetime (I’m 56) that has come close.
Young progressives are, for the most part, self-important shits that care more about posturing than actually knowing who is doing the most good for the most people, without conducting destructive purity tests on them. Young Progs don’t show up for midterm votes, and didn’t show up on Tuesday. Thanks for showing up in 2020, but what have you done for the world lately? Old fucks like me show up every goddamned time. Voting is a fucking duty, a bare minimum of effort that young progressives have to be wooed with flowers and candy into exerting. Go skip classes in a tent on the school quad without resulting in ANY CHANGE AT ALL, and preen for your Insta friends.
Israel will steam roll the rest of Gaza and West Bank.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is fucked.
If Biden had balls he’d give Ukraine some of our nukes before they become another weapon in the fascist arsenals.
Indeed, and NATO better accelerate their defense preparations.
Alright! So Palestine is free now, right guys?..right?
Palestine is freed… from existing.
If Kamala lost the election because she wasn’t in support of Palestine then why didn’t she just support Palestine?
That’s not why she lost the election. The whole “Democrats support genocide!” meme was a propaganda technique to suppress Dem voter turnout. It had an effect, but on its own, I don’t think it was decisive. Sadly, most Americans, including Democrats and progressive, don’t give a shit about the Palestinians, except to cry crocodile tears. And the vast majority of the Republicans are fine with further expanding the genocide.
Maybe make your one issue election about your country and not others? And I mean if you really cared about Palestine, you wouldn’t have stood off to the side and let Trump through, cause now you’ll get to watch the complete annihilation of Palestine, and even more of your tax dollars will go towards the genocide
With Kamala you had someone you could work with and who responds to bad press and would have buckled to your demands. Now you got Trump who gives zero fucks about what you don’t like
I’m not American and you didn’t answer my question.
If pro-palestinian one issue voters lost Kamala the election, why didn’t she appease them? Why are the voters to blame and not the democrats?
Im an Israeli anarchist, but I’m still going to try my best at explaining.
American liberals won’t ever appease leftists, or minorities, because they expect subservience and loyalty for nothing in return. In so doing they play right into the fascists’ hands, trying to serve right wingers who already made their minds up in voting for a fascist.
It is very likely not only more leftists but more Muslim and arabic people would’ve voted for dems if it weren’t for dems insisting that kamala should keep supporting israel and that criticism is amount to betrayal.
As much as i despise electoralism, being an anarchist and all, it’s very simple to understand how and why this happened even from an electoralist perspective, makes one think maybe american liberals just don’t want to understand.
And before anyone says I’m talking out of my ass about american libs, as if i don’t know them because I don’t live in the states: Know that they walk and talk just the same as israeli liberals, and these empty platitudes and threats of being a traitor are the same as i get at home.
Answers to your comment are hilarious, these people deserve Trump but they don’t even realise this. Rats complaining about cockroaches.
Because they shouldn’t have beeded to be convinced. Trump was obviously the worse choice for Palestine. The most basic realpolitik shouldve told them to hold their nose. They are to blame for putting their ideals over the lives of everyone around them and even those they want to save.
I’m not American
then please shut the fuck up.
That’s an excellent question. The Harris campaign decided to not let Palestinians speak at the DNC. The Uncommitted movement offered to endorse her but the staff refused to let any Palestinian Americans do so on camera, even with pre-vetted remarks. It’s mystifying and one of the major blunders of the Harris campaign.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans. Hence she wouldn’t meet with Palestinian-Americans and avoided all the Muslim voters in Pennsylvania who were trying to meet with her. She was working so hard to get Republicans to flip and support her, which is why she did a rally with Liz Cheney and talked about how much she’d help Israel, and decided the Arab-American and Muslim-American votes were expendable if it meant getting more Republicans.
Hillary tried the same strategy in 2016, and it failed badly. Throwing one of the most loyal democratic voting blocs under the bus to get Republicans to flip for them, has been a strategy of 2 of the last 3 elections (Biden promised to undo the Muslim ban but nothing else, so I don’t know if that counts) and they keep repeating this playbook with the same results. I fear that in 2028 they won’t even try to get our votes again and will try to cozy up to Trump’s Muslim ban in hopes that Republicans flip to democrat once again.
Harris seemed hyper focused on avoiding any criticism by Trump or Republicans.
Compare that with, “They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.” That line came from some four-term-President loser.
They answered your question perfectly.
It wasn’t the one issue, it was just the one that stuck with people who needed an excuse to not show up and vote for a woman.
I think i can copy paste this comment somewhere on a 2016 thread about Hilary and it would make just as much sense.
How about you tell this to someone who isn’t white, or better yet, someone who has family affected by the situation in gaza.
I suppose that is one way to misread what was typed. GJ
What are you saying then?
I already said it…it isn’t my job to make you read it better. If you actually want to know then you will try again and do better, if not then you can shout into the void until you feel better.
sick bro
The genocide will finally stop!
Because there won’t be anyone left to kill
Of course they are! The non-voters and 3rd party voters did exactly what they said they’d do to free Palestine and now It’s all flowers and hugs as far as the eye can see over there!
Don’t mind the big sign in right in the center of their city that reads “Future Site of Giant Crater”, that’s nothing at all to worry about. Just focus on all the hugs!
Everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years because of the intentional famine. And it will happen completely under Biden without Trump even getting to the White House.
The community is literally dying and all you can do is throw insults.
Ima be blunt. They would treat me exactly the same as republicans will, because im a trans woman so fuck me. Who it is does actually matter
Let’s meet back here on Jan 1st so I can say you’re full of shit directly to you.
I’m done arguing with you on this.
The UN isn’t lying when they said north Gaza has had no food delivered for weeks and the IDF isn’t lying when they said anyone left alive there who didn’t evacuate is an enemy combatant. The “Generals strategy” is playing out in Israel.
We’re all pissed that Trump won but don’t take it out on others who are also suffering alongside you.
I said I’m done arguing with you on this. You keep coming back for more. Walk away.
Not sure if this is legit but a coworker said 20 million Democrats didn’t vote. That’s depressing knowing if they had voted Dem, Kamala most likely would’ve won.
It’s close to that. Another metric is 15 million fewer people voted Kamala than Biden last election. Trumps numbers stayed the same.
15 million people just fucking gave up.
Trump’s numbers didn’t stay the same. Despite winning the popular vote, Donald trump had 2 million less voters than in 2020. That’s a hefty chunk.
It just doesn’t matter, because 15 million other voters also didn’t show up.
Okay, sure, so that defines that there was overall voter apathy. So Harris lost 85% of the voters who didn’t bother showing up. That’s even more damning.
They also dropped IIRC: 74 - > 71
But that doesn’t help if the dems lose 15 M…
“If liberals are so fucking smart why do they lose so goddamn always?”
- Will McAvoy “The Newsroom”
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
Adopting unpopular centrist policies and aligning more and more with centrist Biden’s policies as the campaign went on is just going to fill voters with apathy.
The Democrats, once again, didn’t give us a candidate to vote for, only one to vote against. And I think the American people are sick of that carrot-stick routine, the Dems need to actually adopt popular policies.
And the establishment Dems are going to fight that tooth and nail.
Why did you need to be convinced to vote against Trump?
We didn’t. Most people did. Candidates running for office are a popularity contest. Biden has low approval ratings, Harris said she’s Biden and wouldn’t change most polices.
Trump is much much worse, and I voted for Harris in California despite knowing it didn’t change how North Carolina or Iowa could have gone.
At some point “I’m not Trump” gets tired and going “I’m just like the guy in office who was so unpopular he dropped out, but I will give Republicans what they want on border policy and appoint them to my cabinet” reads more like Diet Trump than “I will give you policies that sway people away from fascism.”
hey at least SNL has 4 more years of fresh ammo
As a Michigander, a special fuck you to all the dipshits who voted independent
Like Dearborn? Where Arab Americans had been sounding alarm bells for months about how democrats were losing them? How they were upset about their brothers and sisters being blown the fuck up in Palestine and Lebanon? How leftists were vehemently warning for months that Kamala’s callous take on the middle east “Im speaking now 🤫”, could cost her the election?
Your comment is just thinly-veiled racism. Next time, just say you blame american fascism on american Muslims.
And now that you are reaping, you’re lashing out. In textbook liberal fashion, you’re scapegoating minorities as fascism starts to come knocking.
If you can honestly look at the complete ineptitude of the democrat establishment and Kamala’s race, and still blame minorities, then I feel like I know which side you’re going to take when shit really starts getting volatile here.
Your comment is just thinly-veiled racism. Next time, just say you blame american fascism on american Muslims.
You WISH it was just your fault
And now that you are reaping, you’re lashing out. In textbook liberal fashion, you’re scapegoating minorities as fascism starts to come knocking.
I AM a minority. One the Palestinians and Muslims in general dont actually like as it happens.
Ah, hello, dipshit. Let’s explain math, the “uncommitted” stunt resulted in Trump winning MI. Trump has said that he would untether Israel. So now the Arab community is in an even wworse position and there will be more death in the middle east. It’s just that simple.
And fuck you straight to hell for suggesting I’m racist. You don’t know shit. I’m fucking half Syrian. Enjoy the bed of shit you helped make with your flawed logic. Harris would have pushed for peace - Bibi put Dems in an impossible position by deliberately scuttling peace talks until after the election.
Also, it wasn’t just the Arab community. There are plenty of morons who think they’re enlightened third party voters that also played into Trump’s hands.
None of that changes the reality that they did not vote for harm reduction and now more harm will come to the people they purport to protect (and likely themselves, now that evangelical christians are in power). This is textbook shooting off your nose to spite your face. There is no rule saying you need to pass a moral purity test to earn a vote, that’s a dumb construct that is hampering progress. You can vote for harm reduction, it’s ok. The conservatives keep winning and moving further right. The democrats could win and move further left if their cranky coalition would accept not getting everything they want for once.
When you lose an election this badly, people are clearly not buying you’re selling.
But damn I did not expect so many people to sit out against the guy who did the coup and amongst all the other shit. If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
If they go far left they’ll lose all backing and funding, making them completely useless. It’s just the way the system is built. I’m Canadian but I see you guys had a choice to pick a bad but fixable administration, and instead just let the fascist through. I mean you can chide the Democrats all you want for the result, but it was the left who sat out and it’s those same people who are gonna suffer
Bernie Sanders set records for both 2016 and 2020.
The number of Democratic voters is reported to be around 49 million. (link) As of 9 a.m., Vice President Kamala Harris had 66.5 million votes to Trump’s 71.56 million. (link)
Plenty of the left showed up, in 2020 biden got 81,283,501 in the popular vote. That’s near 15 million disenchanted voters who didn’t return to the polls for this administration. But let’s blame the 15 million people, surely they must all be wrong and not the DNC’s strategy or anything.
Meeting Arab American voters is not “far left.” Biden actively diverted his campaign stops in Michigan to avoid meeting them and Harris campaign refused to let Palestinian-Americans endorse her on camera at the DNC.
It’s nor far left to meet Palestinian-Americans and Lebanese Americans who lost loved ones in bombings. Biden routinely met with Israeli-Americans in the White House and family members of hostages and posted photos with them on his instagram. Meeting just ONE Arab-American family is something he never did, and saying that would be a far left thing to do is frankly offensive.
I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
Yeah, that’s what everyone thought after 2016 as well.
yall really think democrats learn from this shit? you born yesterday?
If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
John Kerry? Is that you?
They are fucking incapable of learning this.
Bernie polled great against Trump but they snubbed him for Hillary and we lost because of it.
The only reason Biden won was because he wasn’t Trump and we were tired of him at that point.
Kamala had a chance to swing a little more left but continued to try to court moderate conservatives and the suburbs instead.
They just can’t get it through their heads that: Trump and maga are winning as a reaction of “fuck the system”. This mostly stems from corporations and the filthy rich not being taxed enough and us not spending enough on social programs. That energy could have been captured and utilized by running a leftist.
But instead we get milquetoast business as usual bullshit
Most people dont get to vote in american elections you dweeb
Looks like fairly close to the same amount v9ted this election (at least in my state) as the 2020 election. Maybe slightly higher.
Lotta people are blaming the dnc for the L. I blame them for forcing Hillary in 2016, but this go around? No. Neither candidate in 2024 was a great pick, but Harris was still clearly a better choice to run the country, and anyone could find that with a touch of research. Even passively.
This time around it’s because the majority of Americans are uneducated, short sighted, idiots. They voted in a senile 80 year old republican felon, while every one who worked under him in 2016 said not to vote for him, economists said not to vote for him, and everyone else but Putin across the globe screamed not to vote for him.
But the media conglomerates are cheering. Just think how many clicks they will get now when rapey orange says something colossally stoopid.
In 2020
Biden: 81.2 million
Trump: 74.2 millionIn 2024 so far
Harris: 67.0
Trump: 71.9Trump got about the same amount of votes. Dems lost 14 million votes.
Youch. I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time, even more than in 2020. Screw this country. There was no reason for them to not go vote. People suck.
I think they know that. It would make sense for them to say what they did if they knew it.
