I was gonna title this “And here I sit so patiently waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice” and then write “Stuck inside of America with the fascism blues again” here, but I’m not sure if that comes off like gloating and that’s honestly the last thing I want to do this morning.

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    So we’re not downvoting anything even slightly critical of the democrats anymore?

    Good. Because they fucked this one up.

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      There is a tiger on the lose. Let’s blame the people who are against caging the tiger in the first place.

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    I switched my registration party from Democrat to Independent today. Tired of this shit. Enough is enough I’m voting my values from now on.

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      The fact that you’re registered is wild to me. One of the few things my state has right is having open primaries imo

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      Speaking as a hungarian having lived under Orbán’s rule for 16 years and counting, don’t worry; after this point you will have either no elections or they will be a pointless mockery only.

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    I can’t believe the bullshit with the Cheneys. When a war criminal like Dick Cheney endorses you, you disavow them.

    Harris even got endorsed by Richard Spencer, who’s a white nationalist, and she didn’t say shit! What was she thinking? “I’ve got the neocon vote, now maybe I’ll get the Nazi vote”?

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      “Stein got a Nazi to endorse her even though she disowned it, she’s horrid.”

      “Harris openly loved Cheney and didn’t say anything Spencer, she’s the the most progressive person to ever run!”

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    So he’s saying his fake progressive base stayed home? How is that different to every other election? Appealing to moderates is going to swing the vote more than any attempt to appeal to his psychotic fans who don’t even vote in the first place.

    All these “this was important to me so it’s the reason we lost” takes should be ignored. Especially from a moron like Hasan. The guy was saying it’s possible he’ll get deported because Trump won.

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      if they went out and voted they would have nothing to bitch about, ergo, problem solved. They’re issues voters, they club themselves over the head to make a point, to themselves. Because apparently that’s relevant for some reason.

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    Isn’t it amazing that both the female democratic candidates for president in our history have campaigned with war criminals and then lost. I wonder if there’s a lesson there?

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    ah yes, houthi loving, anti-american, antisemitic hasan who wants to flee to japan now. fuck him for brainwashing his audience into not voting. gotta wonder if he’s been cashing russian checks too. unamerican traitor and useful idiot for the MAGA cult.

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    I don’t think that you can lay this disaster at the feet of Liz Cheney and a few other star Republicans. That is pretty lazy thinking, and suits a particular progressive viewpoint. This election is going to take years to figure out.

    Cue the instant hot takes as to how the orange man climbed the hill he was already sitting on.

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      Dick Cheney is incredibly unpopular across the board in America. Having him endorse your campaign is asking to lose

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        She should’ve rejected his endorsement the same way Jill Stein rejected the endorsement of David Duke. The fact that Harris accepted the endorsement of Dick Cheney and Richard Spencer is nuts.

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        Anyone who backs away and let’s Trump take charge just because Cheney also wants Trump gone is a fucking idiot.

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          The majority of the voters are fucking idiots. What now? Do you just admit defeat or try a different way to reach the fucking idiots?

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              So you’re admitting defeat because you can’t imagine an actual progressive populist candidate that appeals to the things people care about (basically obama '08)

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      The people don’t want any more of the status quo, and Trump offered something that wasn’t part of the status quo. The democrats could have offered a left-wing populist alternative but instead the democrats ran someone who was status quo. Someone who was “far left” would have been way more successful than Harris.

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        I don’t see why you would think that. Someone like Bernie was too radical for the American left to win a primary, no way he would be considered more appealing to America at large in the general.

        It’s frustrating because Biden/Harris are too moderate to capture far left voters and too radical to wrestle the center from a populist like Trump. And it seems many disenfranchised voters are content to stay at home because better isn’t good enough. I’m not trying to absolve them of responsibility, but I genuinely think Democrats could make great strides if the left was as good at banding with each other as the right. Instead, the Democrats lost the popular vote for the first time in twenty years.

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      I mean I would love to believe there are trns of millions of silent far left protest abstentions, but the fact of the matter is seventy million plus motherfuckers actively went for the overt fascists. Tens of millions more didn’t care enough to at least go third party. This was a turnout problem, not a protest vote problem.

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          Well the argument being made here is that the campaign’s strategy actively depressed turnout.

          So not doing normalizing the opposition and implementing the policies your voting base tends to oppose.

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        Or maybe it’s a fascist problem. It’s not just the US either. My latest thinking is that microplastics are eroding empathy in human brains. May sound crazy, but put it next to some of Kennedy’s ideas…

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      Jumping the gun a bit on that post mortum analysis? Put up the data or shut the fuck up you wanker. This is 100% an establishment fuck up, and you are as cognitively twisted as any MAGA freak.

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      Even if that were true, the Dems lost because of their strategy which was based on not giving anything to the left.

      It didn’t work for Hilary, what in the hell made you think it’d work for Harris?

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      Maybe it was the Dems buddying up to the incredibly unpopular bush admin. Or using serial SAer bill Clinton on the campaign. Or calling trump a fascist then moving to the right on almost every issue so really they were just offering fascism-lite.

      But no, blame the lefties who had no significant impact on the election and have been constantly telling you that the campaign is doomed and that it should change course if the stakes are really as high as you say

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    is this the random andy streamer guy ? why should I give a shit about what he thinks

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      Because he’s fucking right. Maybe the Democrats should start listening to people who are fucking right for once.

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        And win with people excited for the candidate? Never. Milquetoast saves money and being in opposition brings in even more.

        Why try to codify Roe v. Wade when you can use it for funding?

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      you dont need to know him and he can be anyone on the internet, it doestnt matter, what he is arguing is still very accurate.

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      While trump thanks Dana White and Elon Musk and Adin Ross, democrat are refusing to listen to someone represent the new generation of political motivated democrat voters. Then wonder why they didn’t get the votes.

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    Democrats were too busy making sure progressive candidates were banned from participating in democracy.

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      The Democratic Convention had room on the stage for anti-choice Republicans, but none for Palestinian-Americans. I heard the speech that representative was going to give. There was nothing controversial in there. It didn’t mention an arms embargo. Having them present was too much for the DNC.

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        It’s a big tent party for “former” Republicans, oligarchs, corporations, but not anyone the Republicans are making hit lists of right now.

        Palestinians can’t even attend, “she’s talking right now.” Meanwhile she just has lunch with the people who made the War for Oil on Terror, and acts like this is true progress and you’re the bad guy for not warming to with Dick Chaney.

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      🇺🇸 MISSION ACCOMPLISHED 🇺🇸

      The reality is that neoliberals in power, and even many poor deluded neoliberal voters, would rather have Republicans in charge than people interested in addressing the intentional and by design inequity of our economy, despite all the social issues that very inequity causes and exacerbates they then falsely claim to care about, including abortion, which is often correctly an economic decision.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/15/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-opposes-banning-stock-buys-by-congress-members.html

      I voted blue out of harm reduction as I always have, without hope, just to minimize what little cruelty I have the power to potentially minimize, but they did this to themselves, as we never get a vote on our economic system or the cruelty it propagates, because (D) and ® are on the take, and I’ve yet to meet an affluent person of either party take issue with the economic system they benefit from despite our legions of homeless and barely subsisting people without the means to bribe officials on their behalf, and their very existence is proof of this economy’s failure as a lowly tool to better equitibly distribute goods and services in service to a society that an economy is meant to be.

      Our economy, and by that I mean our oligarch class that sits above the society they have no stake in, instead orders our society around through the legislators they own solely to maximize their private profit against all other concerns, and it’s beyond perverse. We’ve just been propagandized our entire lives to consider it to be the natural state of things by self-serving for profit media and captured state government’s capitalist indoctrinating curriculum.

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        "The son of the worker, on entering life, finds no field which he may till, no machine which he may tend, no mine in which he may dig, without accepting to leave a great part of what he will produce to a master. He must sell his labour for a scant and uncertain wage. His father and his grandfather have toiled to drain this field, to build this mill, to perfect this machine. They gave to the work the full measure of their strength, and what more could they give? But their heir comes into the world poorer than the lowest savage. If he obtains leave to till the fields, it is on condition of surrendering a quarter of the produce to his master, and another quarter to the government and the middlemen. And this tax, levied upon him by the State, the capitalist, the lord of the manor, and the middleman, is always increasing; it rarely leaves him the power to improve his system of culture. If he turns to industry, he is allowed to work–though not always even that --only on condition that he yield a half or two-thirds of the product to him whom the land recognizes as the owner of the machine.

        We cry shame on the feudal baron who forbade the peasant to turn a clod of earth unless he surrendered to his lord a fourth of his crop. We call those the barbarous times. But if the forms have changed, the relations have remained the same, and the worker is forced, under the name of free contract, to accept feudal obligations. For, turn where he will, he can find no better conditions. Everything has become private property, and he must accept, or die of hunger."

        • Peter Kropotkin (The conquest of bread)
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      He’s a political pundit who used to work for TYT and now streams on twitch. He generally has pretty good analysis, particularly with regard to the middle east.