• citrusface@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Funny - it’s the same for roughly 50% of Americans too - which is horrifying.

    👁️ 👁️

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      Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote

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        It’s that people don’t vote

        Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.

        Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.

        Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.

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          If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.

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            We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.

            How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!

            So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.

            we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.

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            What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?

            I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).

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        That doesn’t change anything, tbh.

        Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.

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        Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house

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          Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.

          Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.

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            My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.

            We’re doing what we can for popular vote

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            If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution.

            It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.

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              agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.

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        Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.

        You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.

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          I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.

          It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)

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            Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.

            I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different

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        I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.

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        People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).

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      Our politics are nowhere near as toxic and disturbing as the US. At least our Conservative party respects election results.

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        The social media chatter during the convoy was all about how jt stole the election.

        We have the crazies.

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        For now. Morons in Alberta fly Confederate flags, they’re getting fed the same right-wing bullshit. Everyone thought the Republicans would respect the transfer of power until January 6th.

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      Hey, remember when the liberal party of Canada ran and won on electoral reform? And then just went “nah bro” and didn’t get anything done about it?

      Oopsie daisy gee golly isnt governing hard? Not that you would know because youre not in their club and you will never get a chance to govern.

      Looks like now you have to vote for the liberals again or yous gets the conservatives again. Ahhh shucks ding dang it. What a conundrum. Quite the pickle ain’t it?

      Sound familiar?

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        Yeah sounds familiar and I’ll vote Trudeau if it is needed to stop conservatives from getting in power.

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          Why? We are a multi party nation.

          NDP is always pushed aside because people are scared of the cons.

          The liberals are just as bad as the cons but in a different way.

          Canada’s national identity is basically the results of the work of the NDP. Yet they are never given opportunity.

          Look what happened in the States.

          The fucking Antichrist now had another 4 years because the dems focused on their own interests instead of the common folk.

          The liberals have ignored everyone but their faces in a mirror.

          Nothing would have been accomplished if the NDP hadnt pushed them to.

          Anyway, welcome to the tribulations.

          People are clueless the literal hell they’ve unleashed.

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        No term limits.

        An election must be called every 5 years at most. Sometimes an election will be a year or two after the last. The PM can call one anytime.

        Technically, the PM is never elected. They’re the leader of the party. They don’t have to run. Or win.

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        Because he’s delusional, and he’s surrounded himself with sycophants, everyone else in the party who thinks he should’ve taken a cue from Biden and stepped down has been moved to the “backbenches”

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          To be fair, Justin is a prodigy at convincingly blowing hot air. It’s an essential skill for any politician, and he’s the best at it by far.

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            Undoubtedly, I just wish we didn’t suffer for it. He knows how we feel about him, but he only cares about how the world sees him.

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      At least that election season won’t last more than 7 weeks. Instead of this insane 2 year marathon the US has.

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        2 year marathon is underselling it, I feel like we’ve been in election season since he came down that fucking escalator

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          We kinda have been. The media has realized how much their viewership (and therefore ratings/money) goes up when they constantly doom and gloom, and that orange fuck has been running a reelection campaign from the moment the previous election was called.

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        Funny, I was watching tv and had a Canadian station on. Every other commercial break was a Pierre Putinfever ad.

        In Canada, Elections campaigns can last a MAXIMUM of 50 days.

        Somehow, in the past few years, the laws for campaign ads changed (thanks Crtc!) and they no longer fall into the category of a campaign.

        And there are newish election laws that set out a ‘pre campaign period’ that allows further erosion of the campaign time limit restrictions.

        That period - anytime after the last election.

        Wtf.

  • 𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆@lemmy.world
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    The South Park episode about voting always applies. It’s always the choice between a douche and a turd. But even between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, one of those choices is still objectively better.

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      I would not even agree the alternative choice is a turd. Were allowed to have some optimism on our potential candidates.

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        Apparently not. If you don’t do literally everything they want with zero deviation whatsoever then you’re garbage and everything is hopeless etc

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    The national identity of being Canadian over the last while has been every four years wondering if the downstairs neighbors are going to decide to restart up the meth lab they keep tinkering with and bracing for the sounds of domestic violence to resume.

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        Not saying our shit doesn’t stink but there’s a certain matter of scale to consider. Leastaways we don’t have nukes we can hand over to the psychopath we are looking at voting in.

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        People in Canada are delusional and think it can’t happen to us too because we’re the polite maple syrup guys. I’ve seen the projections for Pierre Poilievre. We are in 2015 America, where everybody thinks “people won’t vote for that guy, he obviously sucks”, and they aren’t right.

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      You’ve described exactly how I feel. And of course, the shit down south is affecting us up here, we have our own lunatic conservatives like Doug Ford, Milhouse and Bernier who aspire to be like the GOP.

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        Conservatism is a worldwide problem and they all borrow each other’s notes. It’s not going to be a fun time for us coming up. I can only hope that when the shit hits the fan down there those up here start rethinking their bullshit.

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    Yeah its one thing if youre a trump supporter because then you are just a sheep but i actually dont understand whats going on in the head if those who have to think about the decision

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    And for some reason, this is called democracy. I love how fellow Americans this time of the 4 year cycle. They become more self aware and stop name-calling people from other authoritarian states.

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    Drive home from democracy and child, reflecting… this is all a referendum on whether we choose kindness or selfishness going into the scarcity age. If evil wins today, it’s not just about this government and this population. It validates whether the uprisings in Europe are a lag behind or a forward trend.

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    I’m really hoping Harris wins, and we can make politics boring again. I know that if Trump wins, we’ll hear about all the insanity he will put in place for the next four years.

    Sure, if he loses, Trump will cry foul, but that doesn’t have the same legs as it would if he wins.

    I just want Trump to be some washed out TV “celebrity” and politics to be as entertaining as it always is: not very.

    I’m not American and all I hear about right now is American politics. Y’all need to figure your shit out.

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      If Trump loses, that dissolves the Trump cult and the next Trump that comes along will just be compared to Trump

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        I wouldn’t count on that. These are cultists who are ready to deify Trump and start sending people to the camps. I don’t think losing an election will change the fundamental cult dynamic, or the hatred and anger that has been organized within the cult. We are stuck with this bullshit probably for the rest of our lives, one way or the other.

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      Trump is not the problem. Trump is the symptom. The problem is a somewhat powerful minority faction in the US actively pushing to dismantle our democracy. Project 2025 wasn’t written by Trump and didn’t write itself.

      Harris’ win is step 1. We then need to push to shore up our democracy and prevent a more cunning trump replacement.

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        Plus he’s proven that having a cult of personality works, and caused a notable shift in the US Republican party.

        For all we know, that might be a permanent change, rather than a temporary one.

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          I’m just hoping that there’s no one with his “charisma.” Thankfully everyone else scummy enough to be in the GOP is a wet rag in comparison to him so far. He may be a piece of shit, but a con man “confidence man” he most definitely is.

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        Watch the movie “Bad Faith”. It lays it all out.

        Tl;Dr: It’s pretty much entirely the fault of Evangelicals.

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      You are out of your mind, my friend and so far removed from reality. What insanity are you even referring to? America needs rehabilitation, and we’re not getting that with Harris, who has presented herself as utterly clueless in just about all her media interactions. It’s absolutely bonkers how the seemingly majority of people here on Lemmy can’t see this. Yikes! Glad to see the blue wall coming down as I type this.

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          All arguments are expired at this point. Now you’ll just have to witness for yourself how he’ll do a better job.

          To answer your question, though, I implore you (and anyone reading this comment) to pick through the trove of Charlie Kirk videos on YouTube with an open mind. 🙏🏽

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              Not at all. I think he’s going to fuck it up royally.

              I’m just not blind faith attatched to eating the shit of genociding democrats like most of the real clowns on this website.

              The democrats could have run a candidate who would have made Trump look foolish, but they didn’t. Instead they ran the bigger fool.

              Only the DNC is to blame. People I forgive. The fear is real.

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      If Trump wins, the world will become a way less hospitable place even faster. This is literally the fight for the last resources, and the 1% wants it all. Trump is a Billionaire enabler… nothing else.

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        sorry to say but if trump is junior partner in a billionaire oligarchy firm then harris is their employee as head of hr who pretends to be our friend but is actually their to keep us in check. she was chose as vp by the lobbyists and since then she has only followed their orders.

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    As an American:

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

    inhales

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!