Looks like blue MAGA is masking off agaaaaiiinnnnn blink
There is no blue MAGA
“There is no blue MAGA we’re just blue folk who use all the same strategies and mannerisms of MAGA”
just blue folk who use all the same strategies and mannerisms of MAGA
Yeah, that doesn’t exist. Like sorry if it breaks your worldview, but not everything has an equal and opposite.
Dumbest hot takes on the Internet be like:
we will have a long memory
Could there be a single more empty threat from a burger-munching American? The whole world will laugh at you for thousands of years until you recede into myths about a people so callous and stupid it beggars belief.
First of all, you might as well one would be helping Harris by not voting for Trump lmao. Why would not voting for either help one of them?
Also, while I would have her win if I had to choose between the two, I don’t like her at all and wouldn’t bother voting if I lived in the USA. The impact of a single vote is so small, even in a swing state, and the chances of one’s vote being the decisive one as well, that I really wouldn’t place much importance on whether I vote.
Of course upholding a system of social incentives for voting by shaming those that don’t vote for your favourite candidate might make sense, I think it also promotes a very toxic political climate.
If what it takes for bastards like you to actually get the balls to approach me in the real world. I’ll dawn a maga hat despite hating the fart bag. Bring it pussy. You’re a traitor to the republic and I won’t stop until your kind is no longer a threat. 2 years into your lame duck drug war baron, I’ll still be calling weaklings like you the garbage problem with this country that you are. I hope you hate being alone. You’re in for a lot of it. Garbage bastard.
You gotta double down on the irony or else someone won’t get you’re being sarcastic. Maybe end it with truck nuts being shoved down the throats of liberals.
ROFL!
I love how in the US getting Hitler elected would just be a matter of having a total of one worse person run for president. Then the Dems would be selling him as the saviour of the working class and minorities.
“What? Third party? You might as well be voting for Hitl… Wait”
It’s funny that the Nazi Party was literally the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker.
Of course they were neither Socialist (quite the opposite) nor stood for workers (quite the opposite).
I describe it as “funny” because in the US, the Democrats, whose President has literary said he is a Zionist (I.e. a supporter of the latest variant of the Nazi ideology) operate almost entirely based on the very same principle of claiming to be one thing whilst acting as the opposite.
The very field that allowed Trump to rise with his hypocrite populist speech has long been plowed and fertilized by Democrats relying on sleazy lies and half-truths and turning the Press into their Propaganda Spokesperson to get away with representing their voters less and less: people stopped trusting a certain kind of slick stories and a certain Press promoting misleading statements and deceitful portrayals in a serious tone, which openned the door for the actors politicians doing populist strongmen acts and spewing outright but short and simple lies.
Today’s American Political Landscape is a field plowed and sowed by Democrats and harvested by Republicans.
Between 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler you want to vote for 99% Hitler. Because 100% Hitler would be 1% more Hitler than 99% Hitler. The goal is to minimize the Hitler.
Between 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler it’s time to overthrow the Nazis.
Yup! Until that gets organized, best to keep the damage to a minimum.
Yeah. But that’s not them doing anything wrong lol.
It’s the system. You have a electoral college majority vote system that only allows two parties because a third party would split the vote. As long as you have that one, it’s literally impossible for any third candidate to win, so it will just remove votes for the better option of the real possible one.
Of course this is horrible and of course no-one likes it. But you have to change the underlying system in order to really get a viable alternative.
Just saying “the system is bad (it is!!) so I won’t follow its rules and waste my vote” won’t help anybody. It will just allow the even worse option to flourish.
How did Ross Perot run then? Clearly the System will allow for a third party it’s the people who have decided that they can’t.
I’ll take “People arguing with comments they didn’t understand” for $500, Alex.
Genuinely, why is everyone on lemmy a democrat? I’m actually tired of seeing these things come across my feed
… @lemmy.world
Found your problem
Not voting Trump != democrat
Many of the communists are on other instances not federated with lemmy world
If you’re a Leftist, Lemmy.world defederated from the major Marxist instances, which is why it looks like that for you, and I’d suggest making an account elsewhere.
If you’re a conservative, Lemmy is maintained and developed by Communists and FOSS in general appeals to Leftists, the furthest right is typically liberalism.
Nah I’m boycotting this election as we skipped having any sort of primary. Democrats need to learn. I’m getting tired of thinking voting blue no matter who makes long term changes. It’s been a long time coming since Bernie was cheated
Also I wasn’t a fan with how Marianne was treated after Biden dropped out
Main-character syndrome.
I’m just speaking on behalf of many lefties who are boycotting
Bernie was cheated so you want to… punish poor and LGBT and minorities?
Just wear the red hat 🤷
lol nah
This is how you end up with Trump again btw
Yep, and the DNC needs to realize it
So you’re just blatantly blaming other people for your own terrible choices
I think you underestimate how many on the left and how many independents are boycotting this election cycle. This isn’t the same election as 2020.
Lefties in particular are sick of the genocide we are seeing under Bidens leadership, and his mishandling of the economy.
Like literally. “Oh the democrats will learn from this.”
Like wtf no, you never get a real primary with a sitting president. This won’t change anything, you’ll just help to elect Trump.
Kamala isn’t a sitting president
Don’t worry. I’m going to start rounding up the non-voters.
This violates rule one doesn’t it? “Shaming people for voting”
oh boy…
- they aren’t shaming you for voting
- they aren’t shaming you for supporting a fascist piece of shit
- if you feel any shame at all for voting in support of a fascist piece of shit, you should take a day or two to reflect on why you feel shame and ponder on why that shame would exist if you truly believe that a fascist dictatorship is the solution we need.
however they are saying that if people do openly support a fascist dictatorship, that they will remember them and treat them like the fascist pieces of shit they are.
as my old man used to say, “it’s not a threat, it’s a promise.”
however they are saying that if people do openly support a fascist dictatorship
As yes, openly supporting a fascist dictatorship by checks notes voting for someone else!
We traditionally show our open support for something by supporting something entirely different
You auth lefts are so smart
read that again.
openly support
do you need to tell anyone outside of the ballot sheet who you’re voting for? you’re free to vote however you choose. it’s your right. just like you’re free to walk down the street and call everyone you meet a “piece of shit”. just don’t be surprised when you talk shit and get hit.
that’s the thing I’ve noticed about the conservative base. they crave to be oppressed by invisible means. it’s a fetish at this point.
no one is oppressing you, but don’t be surprised when people call you out on your bullshit.
You brought up the open support in response to someone pointing out saying “well remember how you voted” is fucking weird, seems you think voting or not is open support otherwise you’re just bringing random points up
conservative base. they crave to be oppressed no one is oppressing you
Lol @ thinking I’m conservative, I just dislike the authoritarian bullshit in OP
but don’t be surprised when people call you out on your bullshit
I’d rather people call me out on bullshit I did and not call voting one way or the other open support for someone I didn’t vote for and say they’ll “remember” it, that’s kinda the point. The ominous threatening alongside defining things in your own way is what’s making people uncomfortable here, should be obvious
This is all coming from someone who already voted for Harris, by the way. Id like it if you authoritarian wackos didn’t scare people away
Take a breathe dude. I promise the combined weight of your words, mine and everyone else in this comment section are so small in comparison to the scale of this election that we won’t sway it one way or the other, and you most certainly won’t sway it yourself. Don’t feel the weight of it dude. It won’t help it’ll just stress you out.
Your threats, promises or whatever you wanna call em aren’t scaring anyone their just empty power fantasies. It’s as easy to see through them as it is a Ziploc bag. Ain’t a soul alive that’s gonna remember who I voted for and treat me differently in real life for it. What’s the point in fronting like that?
🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄🫁👄 (This is the best I had for deep breaths 🤣)
I’m not conservative. I’m a socialist. I’d love to execute all the billionaires and redistribute the wealth. I’d love to throw all the trumpers who really believe his distorted narrative of a reality into re-education camps (for their own good and I see nothing wrong with that.) I would love to nationalize all major industries. you can call me authoritarian but don’t call me conservative. It’s just incorrect.
I’m not in a swing state so because of how our electoral system works my vote will go to Kamala… because my state is solid blue. So I’m voting third party in the hopes they get more than 5% of the vote and become eligible to receive public funding in the next round. is it likely to pan out soon or how I would like? Maybe,but probably not. But will it harm kamala’s chances to win? No not at all. So relax, you don’t have to make enemies of every single person who isn’t acting exactly how you’d like them too.
Also sorry your old man threatened you alot or broke his promises alot. That was unclear but regardless shitty parents suck.
Did you get threatened a lot as a child?
nope, but there were a lot of broken promises.
I’m just not voting for the people sending unlimited weapons in support of Israels extermination campaign, idk what to tell you bud. I’ve been complaining to my various democrat reps for literally decades, they’re pretty much immovable on the subject of “cut back on the warmongering”
As non-american I agree you guys should definitely vote Harris, despite Dems being terrible Trump would absolutely be worse on each topic Dems are bad. That being said, rethoric of this post is straight up facist. Using threats of personal consequences for “wrongly” exercising ones right to vote is wild.
Yeah this is pretty sus, reeks of right wing psy ops shit.
It’s just blue maga
I’ve been seeing that term pop up a lot now lately but it’s pretty much universally been extreme left people crying that their views aren’t popular enough to be mainstream.
But I agree, the rhetoric in the op is not what we should want to be
It’s not a threat, dumbass. It’s a warning. There will be personal consequences, but they’ll be perpetrated by the MAGAs. And we will blame you guys.
It sounded like a treat with the very personal “we” and “you”. But calling it fascist is a bit too much. Fascism is a right wing mass movement for when capitalism goes down hill (usually blaming some minority for it), so it should support capitalism in it essence. I didn’t get any of that from this meme.
From wikipedia:
Fascism a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
While it definitely describes Republican party as a whole, I specifically mentioned rethoric as being fascist, as in, one fascists would use. In this case I made a reference to “subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race” part as well, to lesser degree, to “forcible suppression of opposition” as threats can be seen as such. For rethoric to be pro-something it doesn’t need to encapsulate all aspects of said thing, for example you can see pro-leftist rethoric mentioning workplace democracy and not including being against opression of miniorities. “Education should be free” is a leftist rethoric despite not mentioning trans genocide.
It definitely could be a right wing psy op, as someone mentioned. Dems are way too meek to go that far imo.
“Its not fascism unless its from the Faschisa region of Italy, otherwise it’s just sparkling authoritarianism”
it’s not fascist. if it was an official comment from Harris , THEN it would be fascist.
this is a person whose intent is solely interested in pointing out that society is watching what all the fascist supporting shit-stains do.
just like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ohio-sheriff-suggests-residents-keep-list-harris-yard-sign-addresses-rcna171385
BTW, since he’s an elected official that makes him a fascist too.
citizens cannot be a fascist unless they’re in a position of political power, but they can be the little shit-heels the fascists employ. just like the Jewish Ghetto Police in WWII.
remember, movements can be fascist. electable officials can be fascist. but regular people are just shitheads.
I literally said that the rethoric was fascist, not person. Fascism is an ideology as well as movement, and people regardless of political power they hold can follow a ideology, so even if I wasn’t referring to rethoric it would still be viable to call someone a fascist - not that it should be done on the basis of single shitty meme. If you believe that communism is the best political system there is, then you are a communist. If you give examples and advocate for this system, then you’re most likely using rethoric that is recognizeably communist, as in, it conveys the message favourable for communism. I’ve already outlined why the message coming from the post is fascist in my oryginal comment. Your claim that one requires a degree of political power in order to be identified by the ideology they believe in would be invalid in terms of USA politics even if it was true - since USA citizens have the right to vote for whomever they want (which the OP tried to restrain with the use of threats) they do hold actual political power and influence, regardless how small it is. I’ve already explained in more details how the rethoric itself was fascist in another comment, referring to the definition and all that. Also, dancing around the definition to whitewash the condemned action is really pointless unless you’re trying to intentionally muddy the water. Convincing people to vote for specific candidate with threats of them being ousted for not doing that is directly what both Mussolini and Hitler did. Mussolini used that tactic in parliamentary elections in 1924, and Sturmabteilung did that in 1932, keeping watch by the pooling stations and threatening voters. Those people absolutely were fascists by any modern definition, and used this rethoric to achieve the same result as one that was intended here. If that isn’t enough red flags for you to call this rethoric fascist, then I don’t think there is enough common ground between our positions to engage in reasonable discussion.
Very braindead take in every sense
Did you just make that up on the spot and kind of just said fuck it I’ll roll with it as the absolute unequivocal truth why not
I’ll be quoting from the Merriam Webster dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism#did-you-know
fascist is based on the Italian word, “fascio”, which means ,“to bundle”.
ever bundled one thing?
second, it was made popular in the modern lexicon by Mussolini. it was used to describe a political movement.
The words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods with an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state.
however, its origin goes back even further.
From at least 1872 fascio was used in the names of labor and agrarian unions, and in October 1914 a political coalition was formed called the Fascio rivoluzionario d’ azione internazionalista (“revolutionary group for international action”), which advocated Italian participation in World War I on the side of the Allies. Members of this group were first called fascisti in January 1915.
that last sentence is important. members of that group could be called “fascist” because they were acting under the political coalition.
so tell me, what political coalition is OP acting under?
actually now that I’m thinking about it, it’s conceivable that someone acting under Trumps MAGA could be identified as fascist because of the “MAGA” coalition of people. it’s a political coalition, united people obedient to the “state”, hmmmm.
what’s the name of Harris’ equivalent to MAGA? I can’t remember, can you help me out here?
citizens cannot be a fascist unless they’re in a position of political power
Absolutely absurd.
I dare say, it looks like my comment was removed for being ungentlemanly.
I shall now rewrite it in a way as to preserve any readers with a fragile constitution or impaired sensibilities.
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pardon me, it seems you might have made a bit of a faux pas and may not have known the progeny of the word.
please, go forth and educate yourself and be merry!
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism#did-you-know
not my fault you’re uncultured and illiterate.
go educate yourself on the history of the word.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism#did-you-know
I’d really fucking like to see what you would do about it. I’ll be voting third party, and you can kiss my ass.
If Kamala looses: All of the blame gets put on third party voters for not “voting hard enough” (especially if she wins the popular vote and looses in the electoral college). Absolutely none of the blame gets put on her supporting genocide, her vague positions, the fact that her campaign page contains very little about her views or policies, her support of fracking, her general support of oil and gas, her support of genocide, and her support for imperialism. Of course that could all be incorrect but Kamala refuses to dispute those claims.
If Kamala wins: She will do basically nothing, compromise with the Republicans, allow states to ban abortion, allow states to restrict womens rights, allow states to ban trans healthcare, generally allow the far-right to do whatever they want, and continue to fund genocide. When all of this happens third party voters will be blamed for “not voting hard enough” and Kamala will take no responsibility whatever.
Regardless of outcome the next election: The Democrat candidate will be even more right wing because leftists didn’t “vote hard enough”, they will be even more bipartisan and even less progressive. All of the Liberals will demand everyone vote for this candidate yet the candidate will make no attempt to implement any popular policy. Americas rapid decline into fascism will continue and nobody in power will do anything to stop it.
Once again I ask the question what harm is reduced by “harm reduction”? If anything a more accurate term would be slowing down fascism. But what Liberals refuse to answer is what practical purpose is there to slowing down fascism? Congratulations you get maybe a few extra decades from fascism but then what? Clearly Liberals are buying their time but what exactly are they buying their time for? What is the grand strategy? We’ve already seen the Democratic Candidate clearly use fascist rhetoric, how long is it until these compromise candidates compromise the rights of minorities? How long until they compromise on Fascism? I would vote “harm reduction” if I knew that at the end of it all theres a plan to eventually fight back but I dont think there is one. I think the Liberal plan is to keep doing “harm reduction” indefinitely, however even if you’re a hardcore liberal you have to acknowledge thats a fundamentally unsustainable plan.
TLDR: The only people responsible for Democrats not getting elected are the Democrats themselves and their corporate sponsors who hold them back from instituting popular policy, I get its easy to pin the blame on some group but fundamentally thats little more then a logical fallacy.
One of Trump’s goals is to “crack down” (aka ban) protests. So let’s get Kamala elected first, and then you can bust out the molotovs or whatever the plan is, please.
Biden has literally cracked down on protests, why wouldn’t Kamala Harris do the same?
Which protests? I hadn’t heard about this
Have you not been paying attention to the Palestine protests?
It’s crazy how if I vote third party, or not at all I am both voting for Harris and for Trump, depending on who you ask.
My theory, and it is just a theory, is that Trump wins the electoral college vote, but Kamala wins the popular vote by a wide enough margin that by the next election, if there is one, they start to abolish the electoral college. Maybe then a third party candidate could actually make some changes.
I think the fact that Walz spoke out against the ec shows that even he thinks this is a likely outcome.
Unlikely, both parties love the electoral college because it destroys any chance of a third party victory.
What type of Nostradumbassery is this? You have no clue what Harris is or is not going to do. What YOU are doing however, is predicting her behavior in such a way that it conveniently falls within the boundaries of some ideological fantasy of yours that involves you as the hero, chanting
“i tOLd yOu so!”
to anyone dumb enough to listen.
None of what you said is even remotely accurate or based in any semblance of reality in which it could even be challenged properly. The only thing to do at this point is to simply dismiss it as nonsense. .
I said that myself, however if Kamala refuses to officially document any of her positions then I think its fair to go by her interviews and statements.
Okay…. Cool. Because Trump will be SO much better on these issues.
Man. I really wish people understood how this shit works.
Strawman argument, critiquing your favorite corporate sponsored puppet doesn’t mean I support the other guy.
You’re getting one or the other. Only, one hates women, abhors the LGBTQ+ and intends to revoke many of their rights, has threatened to use the military against American citizens, will bring back concentration camps, is a convicted rapist, and a 34 time convicted felon, will enact Project 2025, is easily bought out by Christian fundamentalists and Russia, and has sad that he will help Israel “finish the job.”
He is going to turn Palestine into a crater. So stop pretending this is about them when you know this. He will be worse. Provenly worse.
So let’s talk about being a puppet mmmmkay??
Because as we all know, Shill Stein’s stings were made in Russia and Cornell West’s masters won’t even take him out of his box.
You’ve got no options other than to keep the bad one out. And if you’re going to respond with “bUt tHeY aRe bOtH bAd!” I’m going to assume you can’t tell the difference between a speck of dirt in your glass- and raw sewage, and just end this right here.
what harm is reduced by “harm reduction”? If anything a more accurate term would be slowing down fascism.
That’s exactly it. Harm reduction. Not eliminating harm altogether, but reducing the amount of it that takes place.
Will Harris continue and introduce policies that are antithetical to working-class interests? Yes. Would Trump do the same? Yes, and more.
The situation is complete shit, and nobody wants to just have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Of course we’d all like a stronger, more left-leaning party than the Democrats.
But not voting for the Democrats means getting the even worse fascist party.
When you only have two options, and one of them will inevitably be chosen as the outcome, the most you can possibly do is choose the one that leads to the least harm. Hence, harm reduction.
If we had ranked-choice/rated voting, third party votes as your primary vote cast would be ideal, but we don’t, and until we can even get close to something like that in the US, it’s imperative we don’t let fascists come into power.
You don’t solve Democrats being weak by siphoning their votes off to third-party candidates with even weaker overall pull on the voter base, just to let Republicans win.
“I would vote “harm reduction” if I knew that at the end of it all theres a plan to eventually fight back but I dont think there is one.”
You don’t increase your chances of a future plan being implemented to fight back against fascism by actively reducing the chances of winning the election of the party most likely to favor your ideal plan in the future.
You either get a 0% chance of your plan happening by voting fascist, or literally any number above 0% by voting for the party that’s not as fascist. And the choice will be made with or without you, so you might as well help to influence it.
You didn’t answer how harm reduction works as a long term strategy which is being done right now. In addition you didn’t answer whats the point of buying extra time.
You can check out the other comment I wrote in response to a similar response here, but I’ll give an additional short answer here too.
The point of buying extra time is to increase the chance of any other action being taken against the right succeeding. It doesn’t matter what that action is (although I did give a list in that other comment), and that’s not what my comment was originally about. It was solely about the fact that voting for the lesser of two evils is objectively better than letting the worse of two evils have a higher chance of getting into power.
Harm reduction doesn’t work as a long-term strategy on its own, but not doing it just means any other politically beneficial action you want to take is less likely to succeed, since there’s now an even bigger fascist in power.
I would be fine if the “harm reduction” politican didn’t actively go against other actions taken. If Liberals were willing to do anything in addition to harm reduction I would respect them even slightly. Fundamentally the problem is nothing else is being done, we have incompetent and lazy people on the “left” while the right is completely fascist. You and I may acknowledge that harm reduction alone cannot stand as a real political strategy but until Liberals understand that as well it fundementally stands as a false hope and leads people to complacency.
Of course, we can definitely agree on that. Liberals don’t seem to understand that voting Democrat isn’t the end of the road for positive political change.
But of course, if liberals have no power at all, then changing their mind won’t exactly lead to them doing any action in the end anyways. Regardless of how stacked the deck is, voting Democrat at least won’t lead to as bad a result.
Okay, that still doesnt explain how we fix this problem, which is what that poster is talking about.
So we sacrifice our vote this round cause Nazi cheetoh blah blah blah, what do we do next election when the next Nazi supreme is running? We do the same thing then?
I’d be more willing to listen to your position if there was some semblence of a long term plan. Also, you seem to trivialize how awful it is to vote for an administration currently committing genocide. A bunch of people are voting kamala and very upset about it.
that still doesnt explain how we fix this problem
what do we do next election when the next Nazi supreme is running?
This is the exact point I made in my comment.
This does not fix the problem, but it reduces how bad it gets within a general timeframe. Harm reduction can never actually fix the harm being done, it can only make the harm less severe.
Again, just like I said before,
The situation is complete shit, and nobody wants to just have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But if we don’t vote for the lesser of two evils, we just get an even more genocidal, fascist maniac in office.
you seem to trivialize how awful it is to vote for an administration currently committing genocide.
This election will happen. It doesn’t matter who you want to win. If you vote for Kamala, she will perpetuate the genocide. If you vote for nobody, you increase the chance of Trump winning (since the more people vote, on average, the more likely it is for Democrats to win.) If you vote for Trump, you, of course, increase the chance of Trump winning. If Trump is in office, we know he will not only continue the genocide, but will also likely engage in further genocide on American soil, as he’s already clearly demonstrated he’s a racist freak that doesn’t see immigrants as people.
I am not proposing a solution. This is not a solution. I don’t know how I can make that more clear. I’m not proposing a solution, I’m proposing a harm reduction measure that can then be used in tandem with other, further actions to try and save our democracy.
But it is the best possible, or rather, least bad option we have, given our circumstances. Do you want the fascist, or the lesser fascist? Because you have to pick.
The only way you can increase your chances of other, good plans being enacted, is to make sure the situation is as favorable to you as possible. Having a far-right fascist like Trump in power will most certainly not do that. Anything that reduces his chances of winning is beneficial.
If you want a long-term strategy outside of just voting for the lesser of two evils, you can directly contact representatives in the party to try and sway their opinions more to the left, which could possibly change their trajectory as a party. You can engage in direct action like legal, or even illegal protests in order to demonstrate the public support your opinions hold, to increase the likelihood your positions will be seen favorably in congress. You can campaign on the easier-to-influence local level to enact ranked-choice voting for city and state elections, which will grow the overall support for better voting systems nationwide. You can donate to nonprofits that inform misinformed senators, and raise public awareness and outcry against fascist policy.
Are any of those a silver bullet? Of course not. Is that an extensive list? Hell no. But you’re not getting any of that done if the guy in power is so unbelievably fascist, you’re not able to protest without being trampled by a militarized police force within 5 minutes, or if you have even less economic power compared to corporations that just got tax breaks, while your wages went down. I don’t like the Democrats, but I hate Trump even more. This election will pick one of them, and anything I can do to stop Trump from getting in power will then make it easier to take other politically left-leaning steps in the right direction after.
I envy that you think theres a material difference between how trump and kamala would handle Israel, and also that you weigh a potential genocide as more than an existing one. I hope you will be just as happy that you voted for Kamala in a few years once this all shakes out though.
Couldn’t have said it better! Well done!
“loses” not “looses”
voting third party is bad? first past the post problem
And how will voting 3rd party help?
In the USA? It won’t, your voting system is fundamentally broken.
approval voting!
The old “if you’re not with us then you’re against us” position. How about the dems adopt policies that inspire people to vote for them.
Not jailing women for miscarriages is not enough?
So…. What has any 3rd party candidate done to earn your vote?
What has any 3rd party candidate done to even prove that have the ability to do jack shit if they were to accidentally get elected to begin with.
Oh, and lastly, where the fuck do the 3rd party candidates go in-between elections when for three solid years- they’re nowhere to be found?
See? If all you do is complain, yet have no viable solution, then all you’re doing is complaining. And no one is obligated to take you seriously.
So…. What has any 3rd party candidate done to earn your vote?
Claudia De La Crúz of PSL has a program I agree with and believe is necessary.
What has any 3rd party candidate done to even prove that have the ability to do jack shit if they were to accidentally get elected to begin with.
PSL organizes year round, every year. They develop internal party infrastructure, protest, run a news site, educate others on Marxist theory, assist with strikes, and are even supporting disaster relief efforts recently due to the hurricanes.
Oh, and lastly, where the fuck do the 3rd party candidates go in-between elections when for three solid years- they’re nowhere to be found?
PSL does what I said year round, every year.
See? If all you do is complain, yet have no viable solution, then all you’re doing is complaining. And no one is obligated to take you seriously.
PSL has a viable solution, you can read their full party program here.
A Trump victory does not advance these goals.
Neither does a Harris victory.
Yes. Let’s just keep shifting right, and then eventually we’ll end up left; it’s like Pacman!
Yes, that is the liberal plan, unclear why they think it would work.
They’ve also been very involved in antiwar protests since Iraq at least with answer coalition too!
Yep! Good example!
It is better to be feared in politics than to make people admire or love you. When people are worried about “What if the other guy gets in?” instead of “When the dude I want gets in, what what will they do for us all?” it allows the slow ratchet towards autocratic shitheads like Trump.
The difference between the Dems and republicans is one pretends to represent everyone equally, the other does not. Both need to make their capitalist masters happy.
That being said. Dems are doing harm less quickly than the republicans are, so vote for them.
