why has this sub become a dumping ground for liberal bullshit
trump sucks a lot but that doesn’t make her a good person
the lesser evil is still evil
Yeah where are Kamala’s emails??
What evil has she done?
supporting a genocide for example
She supports a ceasefire, Biden is the one sending 100 troops and a THAAD system, and billions of dollars in weapons and aid.
I don’t agree with everything that she is doing and has done but I believe that there’s a certain amount of concessions that happen in politics.
She’s absolutely the obvious choice right now and I’ll reserve not liking what she does based on what decisions she makes as president.
Where meme?
This just a political ad I see on CNNAnd yet, here we are. How is this even a choice?
Because conspiratorial thinking has flourished, creating a whole set of fantasy worlds to believe in where anything can happen as long as it proves you were right all along when you were an asshole.
Because nothing is real, everything is a game, and us poors are just pieces.
Her unwaivering commitment to genocide and corporate donors, flip flopping on major issues and her gratification of Dick Cheney
Everything you said is Donald trump. And he’s a convicted rapist, insurrectionist, conman, serial liar and everything else in the image. Again, how is this even a choice? Or do you consider chocolate and shit equivalent?
Okay. No where did I ever say I was voting Trump. It’s just feeble minds can’t imagine any other scenario.
Isn’t revising your positions when you get more information or change your morals a good thing? I hate the villainization of changing your views. It’s such a childish understanding of the world where that’s a bad thing. It’s probably part of why our society is so divided now. We’ve used “flip-flopping” as an insult, so anyone who ever admits they did something wrong or changed their opinion must be a bad person. In reality the opposite is true. Admitting fault and growing as a person is a virtue that should be rewarded.
When the subject matter you’re flipping on is Medicare for all, fracking, And the death penalty. Um. Nah.
If Harris started saying “from the river to the sea” at her rallies, she’d drop 10 points overnight. If she was still for a ban on fraking, she’d lose Pennsylvania by 10 points. Cheney is really a waste of energy but a non- factor.
Don’t say we didn’t warn you.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/election-michigan-harris
And she’d drop 5 more points in Michigan if she started the “from river to the sea” shit from her base that she would lose, even with 100% of the state’s Muslims supporting her.
Why is the only other logical choice in your mind that Kamala must either support genocide or spread antisemtic statements? How in the world do you see that as the only two logical options?
I don’t. I want us to cease funding offensive weapons, while still helping to fund the Iron Dome and to defend Isreal if they are attacked. That’d lose her 20 points in the polls because being nuanced would just piss off both sides, especially moderates. She would need real political capital to do so, and I hope that’s her play once elected. It’s obvious she can’t show her cards on this till elected. Do I like the country’s political balls being held by AIPAC? No. But it’s the reality we live in.
A majority of Americans disapprove of Israeli action in Gaza:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
I’m not sure where this narrative is coming from that it is an unpopular opinion to stand up to Netanyahu.
If she loses she’ll just blame everyone but herself like Democrats always do. Obama is already trying to blame black men saying they are chauvinistic.
Being against genocide in Gaza is a populist statement and position. So are things like sensible regulations and remembering what happened in Flint, Michigan. This whole, “you must either be for genocide or an antisemite” claim you got going on isn’t a good look.
And no one has done the polling in the Harris camp… the first priority is to protect our democracy. We won’t be able to do anything about helping the Palestinians if Trump is elected. But I am sure you’ll be happy you stuck to your moral high horse when millions of undocumented are put in camps themselves if the Felon wins along with when so many other atrocities start up here on US soil. Good for you!
Both your posts just sound like someone whining because they can’t have it their way; in this case, apparently your complete inability to direct the conversation is the problem. Which would imply you’re whining at yourself…and you really are. It’s rather nauseating to be honest…
It’s always projection with these people. That and a willingness to sacrifice everything around them to fulfill their entitlement.
Yes, but what about [single political issue here that Trump is as bad or worse on]?
Clearly this means we should vote for [candidate least likely to win but most likely to split the vote of the non-fascist party]!
“You see, if fascism wins, then socialism will magically win next. It’s a law of nature, like a pendulum. It Is Known.”
“As an upper-middle-class white male, I just don’t like politics, so I don’t vote.”
Fuck you, you selfish little pricks.
I vote now.
I don’t think I was selfish before … Just ignorant and/or sheltered.
I don’t think I disagree with your point, but the messaging is unlikely to convert many non voters.
I’m just yelling at the choir on Lemmy, I believe. With my actual friends, especially married ones with daughters who say this stuff, I approach it differently. “You always tell me you disdain deadbeat dads, but not voting is another form of failing your daughter. You should be a champion for her rights man, not sitting on the sidelines trying to play nice with ‘both sides.’”
I can’t believe how apolitical I was before our daughter was born. I mean I’m not even in the US or a man but Jesus fucking Christ having kids makes you so invested into everything that you cannot not be political. It’s not even a real choice unless you are, as you phrase it, a deadbeat parent.
tbf, if they’re on a politics com and bragging about not voting, chances are that they’re pretty far from where you were at if you were just ignorant and/or sheltered.
Well… You’re not wrong.
“Someone that clean has to be dirty”
— maga, probably
I have literally been told that, about myself, by conservatives. This was while I was in The Navy, and holding a Top Secret security clearance. They didn’t approve of their daughter dating a “hippie.” (That was their descriptor not mine.)
They didn’t like having hippie semen in their daughter, who could blame them?
It seems obvious, but half the country thinks Harris controls weather machines and hits Florida with hurricanes for some reason. They show up and vote, because they believe this nonsense deeply.
Please acknowledge the threat and act accordingly. If you are in a swing state, please vote for the rest of us. Your vote matters so very much.
It’s not half. It’s a minority in this country. It SEEMS like half cause the electoral college is a moronic system.
It’s actually pretty close to half. According to Pew polls of people in the US, (not just voters or likely voters), about 40% identify as right of center. About 35% identify as left of center. The other 25% identify as moderates or independents.
there was an interview where a woman said something to the effect of “they’re controlling the weather and letting the hurricane hit red districts because they can’t rig the election otherwise”. like yeah hacking motherfucking weather is somehow easier than hacking ballots.
That was a Good Liars interview. They get spectacularly crazy quotes from people at Trump rallies, which I’m sure is not difficult.
That was also a member of the House of Representatives saying that, because we live in an insane world.
Don’t be so ignorant. Tens of millions of people never vote because they’re attacked by Democrats for things like being against genocide or for lying to the American public time and time again.
Then there are tens of millions of people who cannot complain about what happens next. Death of democracy in the USA ? “Well I didn’t vote for them” Wife/mother/sister/cousin/friend died due to pregnancy related complications? “well I didn’t vote for them” Etc.etc.
There is never a party you 100% agree with. If there is then you are probably guilty of blindly following. Your job as a voter is to express your opinion whether by writing to your representative, protesting or simply voting. Then hold them to account when they don’t follow through or do something you don’t like.
Don’t let them tell you what you want. Tell them what you want.
TBH violently participating in the injustice system is a financial fraud and treasonous grift on americans.
That we know of (points to forehead)
Yea “yet”
0 primaries won
0 fucks given about commiting genocide
Bless your heart.
Hi soupy 😘
Well then vote trump what do you want from us
some conviction and honesty would be nice
what is Trump’s position on the Gaza genocide? will he be better?
I have 0 faith trump will be better
They don’t care about what Trump will do, they just want a reason to bitch about the Democrats.
i agree. if the argument was “Harris is bad in Genocide support, and Trump is better”, then it is worth considering. but the reality is currently “Harris is bad in Genocide support, and Trump is a whole lot worse”.
if you care about stopping the Gaza genocide, vote Harris. its infinitely better than the alternative
Trump’s position is that he wants to obliterate Gaza and commit genocide domestically, too.
You can vote for her as a lesser evil, but the fact is she is arming genocide as a viceprez and hasn’t criticized any of Biden’s Israel politics.
she is arming genocide as a viceprez
That is not within vice presidential powers. And what do you think would happen if you started criticizing your boss? Do you think it would have a positive outcome for you?
I first read this as a bulleted list and got confused.
Another thing that gets no attention is that she is one of the few members of congress who didn’t invest in individual stocks but just does index funds to prevent conflicts of interest/insider trading. I really wish democrats would do a better job of contrasting Trump’s corruption with theirs but then again I guess they gotta pick something and run with it.
0 sex scandals? She got her DA position by blowing San Francisco mayor Willie Brown. She’s also part of the politcal machine reaponsible for the city becoming the literal shithole that it is.
The lockdowns also dragged out at least 5 months longer than they had any right to be.
Isn’t the DA position and elected one? How do you blow someone to get a position that the populace of San Francisco vote on?
They have no clue what they’re talking about.
I mean, you could accomplish it, but there’s going to have to be a line because to get enough BJs in there’s no space for travel time. That’s a lot of voters, and she’s going to have to be fast to blow enough to tip an election.
Cool. Next tell us about how the vaccines will kill billions!
Fuck off with that misogyny, it’s 2024.
News Flash, there are other elections that happen in the US every year that are more influential and important for national issues than the presidency.
Maybe take your weird hatred of the failure-of-the-democratic-party-not-being-as-progressive-as-you-want energy and focus that on:
- getting local city councilors, mayors and county clerks etc. elected who represent your political ideology,
- getting state legislators and other officials elected who represent your political ideology,
- getting judges elected (where applicable) who understand the codified and written law and are willing to execute it as written,
- maybe even (SHOCK) getting congresspeople elected who match your political ideology.
I know this might be hard to understand, but there are a myriad of elected officials that comprise our federal system and focusing on THE PRESIDENCY alone will never make anything meaningfully change.
And for anyone who skews even the least bit toward NOT WANTING FACISM to take hold in this country of The United States of America, just fucking vote for Kamala Harris you stupid asshole.
0 apologies for convicting drug users into forced labour.
I’m sure the realistic alternative would be much better on this issue, especially considering what he did about the Central Park 5 as a private citizen
Yeah it’s nice to point out that Trump is a piece of s*** for those reasons, but let’s not pretend that career politicians are all wonderful human beings.
Not sure why you think the things listed constitute a wonderful human being.
