Nope, I don’t accept them. I mean come on, a drug addicted person isn’t accepted, too. Everyone would say: “stop it, your lifestyle kills you and makes your family and friends sad.”
And fat people get accepted? Like: “oh it’s okay, eat more till you die, I don’t care.”
This isn’t correct. Blame your fattys and tell them they have to change their life. It’s a slow suicide, and they need help.
So like that? Did it work? Are you calmed down yet?
Here I’ll try spewing more abuse at you targeting this hostile emotion you’re clearly addicted to . Maybe that will calm you down. But I dunno, it doesn’t seem like it should be the one and only tool in the toolbox to reach for when talking to people about their issues.
You have to consider that this is, in some cases, issue of mental health, money, or education.
Garbage foods are the ones most readily available, and health care much less so.
That obviously doesn’t apply to the person going on tv to promote this lifestyle
Actually they are. Health problems are no joke. I knew a guy at a military-adjacent youth group. Dude’s nickname was Garcia. He had health issues that made him look basically like a ball. But he worked out, he was active and ate well - meaning he was in better shape than me. Sometimes you just lose the genetic lottery.
I’m curious if you know anything more about this condition so I can learn about it. If I’m understanding right, it made him seem fat but it wasn’t fat, right? Otherwise it seems to break my understating that it’s physically impossible to not overeat and yet still get fat
No, he was fat. He probably was overeating for his metabolism, but the issue was he had a really really slow one. I for instance in my youth days could devour two huge burgers, same as a coworker that was 30cm higher than me and extremely muscular, but I was a stick cause my metabolism was fast and with a little bit of excercise (rollerblading to work, 2km one way each day) I kept fit. When hormonal issues pop up you can put on weight incredibly fast. Google hypothyroidism for instance.
Under the fat, you could be extremely fit - for example sumo wrestlers are in the best form of their lives, despite the excessive weight. Sometimes you are just fucked no matter what you do.
Nobody says you can’t be fit under the fat, but fat people are overeating - period. The fat itself is a problem, it releases harmful hormones and impedes functionality of the organs it surrounds, not to mention the issues for circulation.
Yeah, okay, whatever you say. I have just given valid health reasons why people get fat and you decide that “fat equals bad” and if someone wanted to they’d lose it. Not how it works when you’re sick.
My comment about genetic disorders was downvoted. People here must hate fat people so much that they cannot accept that a small fraction of fat people have genetic disorders and are not fat due to any fault of their own. But hey, fuck em, amirite?
Why do you care about downvotes, they are imaginary points from people you never met and most likely won’t ever talk to since 95% of people are lurkers
Very true, but it still sets the tone for the community and the platform as a whole. If factual information on Lemmy is always downvoted then it makes Lemmy look like a misinformation engine, no better than the other bullshit platforms that have gone to shit. Lemmy is a platform that is trying to grow. Why would people join it if it comes off as toxic?
No, you’re getting downvoted because there is no such thing as “genetically fat”. Metabolic disorders are a different beast, but even those can be controlled by diet. The psychological tradeoffs of restrictive diets make them a difficult choice for many people who prefer a pharmaceutical route instead. At the fringe people will deny there is a “lifestyle” intervention option at all.
If your genetics give you an abnormally slow metabolism, this will result in you gaining weight based off calories that a normal person would eat to maintain a healthy weight. It’s hard enough for most people with normal metabolisms to eat a healthy diet so saying “well those people can just control it with diet” is grossly optimistic and again puts the “blame” on these people with metabolic disorders for not eating well enough.
You did mention though that those people may go the pharmaceutical route, however that may not be available to a lot of people due to lack of health insurance, lack of knowledge, etc.
So to come full circle, yes, some people are fat because of genetics.
To be fair, this is a very small subset of people we’re talking about.
Alcoholism is a disease, but it’s the only one you can get yelled at for having. “Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic.” “Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus.” One of those two doesn’t sound right.
Oh yes, I agree. And it’s only coincidental that I dropped 40 lbs without trying when I got on non-stimulant ADHD meds. Mental health and physical health are unrelated. It’s really just they eat too much and totally within their control.
ADHD meds? What are they doing? Lowering the ADHD? Well shit, if I take meds that lowers my “drive” I would get fat, too.
I don’t want to start a discussion about ADHD but maybe it is to decide what could kill you more. They say even Mozart had theoretically ADHD, but they don’t gave him meds, they gave him a Piano.
ADHD causes executive dysfunction. You don’t get to choose what you’re doing.
If that sounds crazy, that’s because it is. That’s why it’s a neurological disorder.
ADHD meds give you more executive function. You get to choose what you do.
Maybe Mozart would’ve been happier if he hyper fixated on harpsichord less and showered more. If he was ADHD, he didn’t get to make that choice.
But regardless, Mozart wouldn’t survive today’s society with a harpsichord fixation. At best he’d be in a mediocre band. At worst he’d be homeless. If you aren’t comfortable with that concept, then maybe we need to fix society.
More than 40% of the USA alone is obese. No where near that many people are obese because they are taking stimulant ADHD meds. It’s great that you lost weight, but a very massive portion of our population is obese because of their eating habits and sedentary lifestyle.
Nope, I don’t accept them. I mean come on, a drug addicted person isn’t accepted, too. Everyone would say: “stop it, your lifestyle kills you and makes your family and friends sad.”
And fat people get accepted? Like: “oh it’s okay, eat more till you die, I don’t care.”
This isn’t correct. Blame your fattys and tell them they have to change their life. It’s a slow suicide, and they need help.
You’re angry. Calm down.
So like that? Did it work? Are you calmed down yet?
Here I’ll try spewing more abuse at you targeting this hostile emotion you’re clearly addicted to . Maybe that will calm you down. But I dunno, it doesn’t seem like it should be the one and only tool in the toolbox to reach for when talking to people about their issues.
You have to consider that this is, in some cases, issue of mental health, money, or education.
Garbage foods are the ones most readily available, and health care much less so.
That obviously doesn’t apply to the person going on tv to promote this lifestyle
Drug addiction correlates in a similar way though
Overeating, drug addiction, even workaholism and endless accumulation of wealth are all maladaptive coping mechanisms due to unintegrated trauma.
Sure, but according to this here memo
ahem
“Fuck the mentally ill”
- every society
It’s more like “fuck telling the mentally ill they’re mentally healthy” -a few people
I’m sorry, I’m not really sure what you mean.
Yes, it’s often education. And that’s something more educated people can help, too.
The promoting person could be some kind of mentally illness. Our brain loves to lie about facts that could hurt us.
Some people are genetically fat though, or have metabolic disorders. Just keep that in mind.
Some people, maybe. 122 million people just in the US, maybe not
Very, very few. Far fewer than the 40% of Americans that’re obese.
You are nearly there… If 40% of any group are anything, that is not an individual problem, it’s a systemic issue.
Ok. My point was just that these people exist. I made no claim about the frequency of occurrence.
Nobody’s genetically landwhale or ham planet. We’re taking people who need landscape tv coverage, not a few pounds extra.
Actually they are. Health problems are no joke. I knew a guy at a military-adjacent youth group. Dude’s nickname was Garcia. He had health issues that made him look basically like a ball. But he worked out, he was active and ate well - meaning he was in better shape than me. Sometimes you just lose the genetic lottery.
I’m curious if you know anything more about this condition so I can learn about it. If I’m understanding right, it made him seem fat but it wasn’t fat, right? Otherwise it seems to break my understating that it’s physically impossible to not overeat and yet still get fat
No, he was fat. He probably was overeating for his metabolism, but the issue was he had a really really slow one. I for instance in my youth days could devour two huge burgers, same as a coworker that was 30cm higher than me and extremely muscular, but I was a stick cause my metabolism was fast and with a little bit of excercise (rollerblading to work, 2km one way each day) I kept fit. When hormonal issues pop up you can put on weight incredibly fast. Google hypothyroidism for instance.
Under the fat, you could be extremely fit - for example sumo wrestlers are in the best form of their lives, despite the excessive weight. Sometimes you are just fucked no matter what you do.
Nobody says you can’t be fit under the fat, but fat people are overeating - period. The fat itself is a problem, it releases harmful hormones and impedes functionality of the organs it surrounds, not to mention the issues for circulation.
Yeah, okay, whatever you say. I have just given valid health reasons why people get fat and you decide that “fat equals bad” and if someone wanted to they’d lose it. Not how it works when you’re sick.
My comment about genetic disorders was downvoted. People here must hate fat people so much that they cannot accept that a small fraction of fat people have genetic disorders and are not fat due to any fault of their own. But hey, fuck em, amirite?
Why do you care about downvotes, they are imaginary points from people you never met and most likely won’t ever talk to since 95% of people are lurkers
Very true, but it still sets the tone for the community and the platform as a whole. If factual information on Lemmy is always downvoted then it makes Lemmy look like a misinformation engine, no better than the other bullshit platforms that have gone to shit. Lemmy is a platform that is trying to grow. Why would people join it if it comes off as toxic?
You are factually wrong sir. I suggest you do some research and reconsider.
No, you’re getting downvoted because there is no such thing as “genetically fat”. Metabolic disorders are a different beast, but even those can be controlled by diet. The psychological tradeoffs of restrictive diets make them a difficult choice for many people who prefer a pharmaceutical route instead. At the fringe people will deny there is a “lifestyle” intervention option at all.
Brotha waattttt?
If your genetics give you an abnormally slow metabolism, this will result in you gaining weight based off calories that a normal person would eat to maintain a healthy weight. It’s hard enough for most people with normal metabolisms to eat a healthy diet so saying “well those people can just control it with diet” is grossly optimistic and again puts the “blame” on these people with metabolic disorders for not eating well enough.
You did mention though that those people may go the pharmaceutical route, however that may not be available to a lot of people due to lack of health insurance, lack of knowledge, etc.
So to come full circle, yes, some people are fat because of genetics.
To be fair, this is a very small subset of people we’re talking about.
Yes, I also shout at my ADHD friends to pay attention and my depressed friends to just feel better. It works!
I would shout at both if they don’t take their meds.
- Mitch Hedberg
Both aren’t things that came from uncontrolled misuse of substances or food. Bad examples if you ask me.
Oh yes, I agree. And it’s only coincidental that I dropped 40 lbs without trying when I got on non-stimulant ADHD meds. Mental health and physical health are unrelated. It’s really just they eat too much and totally within their control.
ADHD meds? What are they doing? Lowering the ADHD? Well shit, if I take meds that lowers my “drive” I would get fat, too.
I don’t want to start a discussion about ADHD but maybe it is to decide what could kill you more. They say even Mozart had theoretically ADHD, but they don’t gave him meds, they gave him a Piano.
ADHD causes executive dysfunction. You don’t get to choose what you’re doing.
If that sounds crazy, that’s because it is. That’s why it’s a neurological disorder.
ADHD meds give you more executive function. You get to choose what you do.
Maybe Mozart would’ve been happier if he hyper fixated on harpsichord less and showered more. If he was ADHD, he didn’t get to make that choice.
But regardless, Mozart wouldn’t survive today’s society with a harpsichord fixation. At best he’d be in a mediocre band. At worst he’d be homeless. If you aren’t comfortable with that concept, then maybe we need to fix society.
More than 40% of the USA alone is obese. No where near that many people are obese because they are taking stimulant ADHD meds. It’s great that you lost weight, but a very massive portion of our population is obese because of their eating habits and sedentary lifestyle.
Do you think more than 60% of the US has a healthy mental state? In this economy??
Of course they don’t. What do you think you’re proving? I think the world is more complicated than you imagine
That mental health impacts physical health. Follow the conversation, love.