(Yes, of course I know that’s not the Enterprise-D and that TNG came out in 1986, but you try making a better debunking joke.)
Faking the moon landing would have been a massive coverup requiring the cooperation of at least one foreign nation. (Australia, because of Parkes)
During the Nixon administration. Nixon couldn’t even cover up one little burglary.
This is the one thing that kills me with one of my favorite space movies, interstellar… they have that one scene at the school saying the landings were faked to bankrupt the soviets…like how the fuck did that make it into the movie.
It’s not there as some commentary by Christopher Nolan that the moon landings didn’t happen. It’s there to show that schools are willing to teach a lie as long as it serves the narrative of “past oppulence is what destroyed our world, so get out there and be a farmer!”
O damn never thought of it that way. I went and looked it up further and you’re spot on, it seems it was put into the movie to make people become farmers and not look to space. Basically try and solve the problems on earth.
That was making fun of people who believed things like that. It’s very obvious if you’ve watched the movie.
I mean it’s not because there are a lot of people asking about it online.
Asking about that scene in Interstellar? The entire movie is a love letter to NASA and science. What do you mean?
That guy is a silly and you’re supposed to think he’s wrong. He’s teaching lies in order to justify a bad worldview.
That was Murph’s teacher Ms. Hanley, not the guy
Same thing, doesn’t matter
Nixon’s downfall was created by the CIA because they did not get along.
It would have required so much work it’d be easier just to land on the moon.
I saw a rebuttal that said the special effects at the time couldn’t have faked it.
What, Star Trek?
As a mod on both the Ten Forward and Star Trek communities, I can tell you that Star Trek TOS is 100% true and accurate.
Especially this part:
Ahh yes, the famous 23rd century boy band “NCC-1701-SYNC”
Scotty O’Fatone never got respect
Yeah but look at how the shadow on the wall in the back isn’t in sync with the dancing. Checkmate atheists.
However, for its time TOS effects were often really good. People expected the typical B-movie styles but got believable visuals.
Often. On the other hand…
Although I admit I found them fascinating when I was a little kid.
Are you kidding me? Those things were fucking creepy. And the sounds they made? Uggghh…
Of all of my memories of watching TOS in my youth, there were two that stick by me the most.
The first was sitting down to watch it with my brother on October 23, 1983 when I was six years old. Just after it started, there was a special news bulletin about some dumb bomb exploding in some place I’d never heard of and my brother- much older than me- kept telling me to be quiet and stop complaining so he could hear the news. Right as the bulletin ended, the credits for Star Trek started playing. It made me cry.
The other one was seeing those aliens for the first time and thinking, “I guess aliens don’t have to look like us.” It was a profound thought for a child no more than eight years old.
It looks fine on a CRT at 480i
you try making a better debunking joke.)
Are you kidding me? Lemmy is way too contentious to encourage me to do that - I am leaving posting to the professionals like you!
I believe in you. If you fill yourself with determination, you too can use comedy to challenge people and also complain about those people canceling you loudly on NBC.
Hypothetically speaking… how much money would I be able to make doing this? 😇
But to be clear I mostly was joking about being a coward, not so much “cancelled”.
More to the point, Lemmy is about Linux and… uh… GNU+Linux, and I for one don’t need to be submitting posts that are not of interest to others. A skill which I seem to very much lack, most of the time:-).
Probably a few bucks. Could get a nice shirt.
Linux and… uh… GNU+Linux
Yeah, there are a lot of those people xD
I am one of those people. Halfway at least. But I also have other interests too, whereas our communities not so much, e.g. [email protected].
TNG came out in 1987. I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder.
My favorite debunking is an old YouTube video called “moon hoax not” where a filmmaker explains that the due to technology limits of the time, faking the multi-hour live broadcasts in slow-motion, which millions of people were watching, would be impossible without there being telltale signs of it being spliced film (the splicing, film grain, etc.). Since slow-mo video (distinct from film; TV broadcasts were video) at the time could not play back more than a few seconds of footage, at most, it would have to be high-speed film played back at normal speed. Assuming you could find or make a high-speed camera fit to task. While the first landing had awful video quality, later missions had much higher quality and the film fakery would be impossible to completely hide. People these days massively overestimate the video (and film) technology that was available in 1969. (IIRC. It’s been years since I’ve last rewatched it.)
Oh, I know this video!
I remember playing it for somebody, and you could tell they were trying so hard to disagree with it in their head. I imagine they still believe it was fake, but it was funny.
Flawless 4K special effects have been available for over 100 years, but the government’s been hiding them!
Re-hoaxed :)
Everyone knows the moon landing was faked at a secret soundstage on Mars!
Now this one is really concerning!
I do find it amazing that it was literally easier to send humans to the moon than faking it in 1969
Like, isn’t that an astonishing fact?
isnt there something about a smart watch today ahving more computational power than what took nasa to the moon, too?
I feel like Captain Disillusion would have done a video on the moon landings if they were faked … unless he was in on it, hmm.
Yes!
That’d be it.
Honestly it’s super interesting to watch even if you know the moon landings happened for the history of tech he talks about.
IT’S BEEN A LONG ROAD
Fake moon landing, aliens built the pyramids why do conspiracy theories insist on robbing humans of their monumental achievements. My guess is that people who create and share conspiracies like those are too dumb to realize that other people have different knowledge than they do.
I do like how the moon landing deniers forget about the phrase “it’s not rocket science” when pretending to know what they’re talking about.
It’s probably because most of the people that believe these things are impossible can’t even chew with their mouths closed.
They can barely walk and breathe at the same time
Ah yes, I see you’ve met the muskboys.
why do conspiracy theories insist on robbing humans of their monumental achievements
Uh, JFK and 9/11 were monumental achievements?
Would you like me to edit my comment to say “why do some conspiracy theories…”?
How does two events out of 60,000 years prove anything to you?
Ill add one off the top of my head, the assasination of julius caeser.
Oh and that Arch Duke Ferdinand fellow. That caused a few wars.
Conspiracies happen all the time.
Stop being a shill for the governmental disinformation efforts.
The special effects were simply building practical rockets and sending astronauts to the actual moon to make it look unscripted.
My god! They fooled us all by faking the moon landing with an actual moon landing!
But that’s a low-budget show. The Apollo Program had billions to invest in VFX.
It would have been cheaper if Kubrick hadn’t insisted on filming on location
I thought Kubrick filmed it in a movie studio… on Mars.
I’ve been to the NASA space center and they’ve got a very vivid recreation of the moon landing in a museum. I have no doubt you could have faked the video. But how they got a moon lander and a flag up there remains a mystery.
Also, we landed on the moon six different times. Even if you’re skeptical of Neil and Buzz, it kept happening through Cernan. By Apollo 17, it was barely newsworthy.
I have no doubt you could have faked the video.
Nope. In order to fake the video with a live background and real shadows, you would have to have had a single sun-equivalent light source to make all of the shadows point in the exact same direction, while at the same time no light whatsoever coming from any other direction.
CGI wasn’t a thing in 1969. Ultimately, if you wanted to fake a moon landing in 1969, you would very quickly find out that it would be far simpler and far less expensive to just go to the moon.
That doesn’t even take into account the dust. In the moon landing footage, lunar regolith doesn’t billow like it would in an atmosphere. Whenever it’s kicked, it falls back to the surface in a neat parabola every time.
you would have to have had a single sun-equivalent light source
Sprinkled into the Moon Landing Hoax lore are all sorts of arguments about lighting coming from the wrong angles and producing bizarre shadows, objects moving inconsistently with microgravity, and technical components (including the cameras used to film the landing itself) being impossible to operate from the lunar surface.
The root of hoax theory isn’t merely that it was faked, but that a savvy observer of the footage can identify the Hollywood legerdemain.
CGI wasn’t a thing in 1969.
If you want to get hard-core in your Moon Hoax theories, you’ll inevitably run into people who claim it was.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11354908/?ref_=ttep_ep8
I guess the VFX reference isn’t widely known, nor it’s direct enough.
I didn’t get that it was a reference to that. I would have started it with “I work in VFX.”
Yep, I wrote it badly.
And the old saying “three people can keep a secret, if 2 are dead” comes to mind. The number of people who would know, just in astronauts, tells me someone would’ve squealed.
There was a movie in the 1980’s that used this premise, but the astronauts weren’t supposed to know (I think), or were only told pretty late. Capricorn One (with OJ Simpson if memory serves). Not a great movie, hell, not even good, just an interesting concept.
The number of people who would know, just in astronauts, tells me someone would’ve squealed.
There are definitely conspiracies that have happened in the US that have stayed (officially) sealed for decades at a time. There’s also no shortage of (unofficial) leaks and Deep-Throat style informants willing to sell you a story about the moon landing being a hoax.
I wouldn’t say the problem is that nobody squealed. I’d say the problem is that folks who claim they were in the room when Kubrick shot the B-roll for the moon landing from a Hollywood sound stage are not sources that stand up to prolonged interrogation.
Capricorn One (with OJ Simpson if memory serves).
I’ve heard of it. Mars instead of the Moon. An interesting premise.
I’m also partial to For All Mankind as a “What If” of the US and Soviets continuing the space race for another forty years. Both explore interesting concepts about the intersection of politics and space exploration.
For sure.
Stuff can be kept secret, it’s just difficult, and is usually accomplished via all sorts of obfuscation.
Like doing something layered deep within something else, making it appear to be a day-to-event (hiding materiel in containers labeled as something else, making it weigh and move normally, then having military deliver it as usual, because who would think these drums of fuel are actually heavy water, or something like that).
The moon landings were live. Quite a bit harder, I’d think.
You appear to follow the Vulcan philosophy of IDIC: I Debunk Idiotic Claims.
I dick? Isn’t that Kirk and Rikers philosophy.
“Number 1, you do the dicking. I’m tired and haven’t had my Earl Grey yet”- Jean-Luc probably
Yeah, but think about what the GOVERNMENT could afford! They were SUPER rich back then!
They hired Kubrik to fake the moon landing and he insisted on shooting on location.
The problem with moon landings isn’t that they can’t be done, it’s that they are dangerous as shit, with little reward. You’d get a better deal out of being sent to a remote desert island.
To orbit the moon, a space craft needs to move at about 1.5 km/s, or 3300 miles per hour.
So any landing starts with you going at 1.5 km/s and needs to end at the moons surface when you reach about 0 meters per second.
If anything goes wrong with your engines while you slow down, you smack into the moon at either near orbital speeds, or at fighter jet speeds. The window for having an engine failure and being slow enough to survive is so narrow that it might as well not exist.
That’s why Apollo used pressure fed, self igniting engines. As long as 2 valves opened, you had an engine. And Apollo landers had a totally separate ascent engine that worked exactly the same way, so if the landing engine failed, they could just drop the landing stage and return to orbit at practically any time during the descent. They even had a whole procedure of what to do if the ascent engine didn’t light when they were supposed to leave. Everything from jump starting the engine like a car with a dead battery, to physically getting access to the valves and manually opening them.
I hate the current plan for Artemis. I hate that in 55 years, we’ve only managed to make shit more complicated. The current plan is for a vehicle with no abort capability to ignite its 3 turbo pumped, liquid methane fueled engines at least 4 times to get from low earth orbit to the moons surface, with days between ignitions.
A capability that has never been shown to work or even exist in any capacity. Turbo pumps are finally machined pieces of engineering that need to behave exactly right, or they turn a rocket into either a bomb, or a giant tube that can’t move. And the current plan for Artemis calls for these finely crafted pieces of machinery to be subjected to the harsh environment of both space where they’ll sit for at least a week, and multiple ignitions, where they’re subjected to ridiculous temperatures and pressures.
Absolutely ridiculous. We never left an astronaut on the moon in the 60s and 70s, but by god are they trying to open the first graveyard on the moon these days.
So your saying the return to the moon should not be for science but instead be a reality tv show?
I like how you think kid.
Temptation Moon 9pm/8central
With Elon Musk already having as much influence as he does in space exploration, it probably will be.
The reason the conspiracy exists is because the video footage is staged to match the audio. Obviously there wasn’t a camera crew on the moon.
Decades since 1969 and not a single one of the thousands of people who would have had to be involved to make this hoax happen has talked. The Soviets also either never caught wind of it or decided not to embarrass their biggest rival who they were constantly trying to embarrass.
This is the best-kept and worst-kept secret at the exact same time. Do you really buy that?
You’re misinterpreting what I’m saying due to my poor word choices haha. I’m not saying it’s fake. The camera is mounted to the lander and there is a delay in the footage because they had to do some kind of conversion in the video to be able to watch on tv. That’s where many of the conspiracy theories come from. Most people don’t know that.
Yeah, I’m gonna need more than your incredulity to convince me. Like, fun that you think it is inconceivable, but your inability to imagine has no bearing on reality. Especially when there is plenty of evidence to suggest they actually filmed and broadcasted it live. For example, the fact that a live television broadcast was a primary goal of the mission, or the fact that RCA made custom TV cameras for the Apollo program , or that the broadcast lasted for hours, or any of the analyses out there that shows the video is likely real. Also, no one suggested that the Apollo astronauts had a camera crew with them - what a bizarre thing to mention.
Or something like the reflection of the astronaut with the camera in the visor of the astronaut he was taking a picture of.
Why was that kept a secret for so long?
Because everything at the time was about tricking the Russians.
