I’ll add this to the “normal in America, totally illegal in the rest of the western world” list
Definitely not normal in the US, either.
“You really think you can tell me what I can do with my body?”
REPUBLICAN PARTY has entered the chat…
Hey US, how’s it going?
Jesus fucking christ…
How does that freedom taste?
The only way to actually get freedom is to aim at the owner class.
Freedom is the guns they dangle in front of their faces like carrots
It pays for my Healthcare just like the flag on the moon does.
Please don’t bring NASA into this, the space program benefitted the lives of basically everyone on earth in incredible incalculable and calculable ways, from contributing to the peaceful collapse of the Soviet Union to countless technologies developed for it and as a result of it, to the birth of the environmental movement and a massive influx in people going into STEM. The US space program has probably done more for your health than socialized medicine would.
All of which is not to say that America is doing great and it shouldn’t have socialized healthcare, but simply to say, keep our Apollo’s name out of your mouth.
Tastes like a boot on our necks.
Wear a mask
Wear a mask printed with your own face.
No. Fight these assholes passing these policies just so they can save a few pennies on insurance.
Can’t restricting mouth movements be seen as a restriction on speech and people’s right to talk about and form a union?
It depends on what it says when they run the video through a lip reading program.
If you want a robot then hire a robot!
We’re trying. We aren’t quite there yet. Just keep suffering for a feeew more years, then you won’t have to worry about our micromanaging.
Uber’s (and all the rest of the Silicon Valley illegal taxi racket) entire business model is “exploit humans until we invent Johnnycabs”
I think the only thing keeping them from going full auto right now is that humans keep accepting shittier and shittier conditions in order to keep the robopocalypse at bay.
I don’t really like automated cars because I don’t think they’re safe, either for the passengers (who have at least accepted what they’re getting into) or pedestrians (who have not), but I don’t think that’s ever slowed the “march of progress” before now.
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They’re safer than humans already. It’s just you hear about every robocar crash because they’re unusual, and every time one happens, the whole industry learns from it. With humans driving, it’s doubtful the people involved learn from a crash, let alone anyone else, we just accept it as inevitable.
Self driving cars don’t need to be perfect, they just need to be better than humans. Which is not the highest of bars.
And yet they aren’t.
I would argue they are safe, in fact they are too safe, so safe that if their program gets confused it will just stop in the middle of an intersection and not move because it’s ‘not safe’.
Don’t forget about the people in all of the other cars on the road. For example, Tesla’s have repeatedly plowed into stationary emergency vehicles.
Robot originally meaning “slave (free) labor”
They really do want them, humans are just still better at generalized tasks and finding new work for themselves but gosh darn are they gonna make us compete with to get as close to the first use of the word Robot and be unemotional perfect workers with no concept of self preservation until it can’t be taken anymore.
Original Czech word “robota” refers to forced labor done by serfs. Not slaves per se. Here’s a short read about the original play that introduced the term as we know it.
Oh yeah those serfs giving up 6 months of labor for free to the manor Lord was completely different. Thank you hyper specific pedantry.
Yes, it’s different. No, it’s not different.
It’s not pedantry, and I found the etymological origin interesting. Plus it was more accurate than your quick definition. While what you said was acceptable and adequate for your point, and you made a good point, what they said was interesting too and added to the conversation. I don’t see why you had to be so hostile and negative towards them.
I find there too often aggressive pedantry over the term “slave”, “indentured servant”, “serf”, and so on, that has exhausted me in those concepts. Especially since it’s often used to either excuse mistreatment or compete for who had it worse when they are all often in reality completely similar experiences.
So yeah. I was a bit snappy. It is being pedantic though (which Lemmy/Reddit communities thrive on so yeah I don’t know what I was expecting) especially when the original use of Robot as a modern term is literally for a passive human-esque slave force made by science.
But I agreee it does add to the conversation to include the original use.I get it. I also get annoyed by the weight those words get assigned. Same with ourselves words on television or, God forbid, “nigger”… I’m probably sounding like a racist right now to soemone, just for that word.but it shouldn’t be like that. They’re just words.
I am not raised in that culture of “fear for words” and I cannot understand it,but I have learned to stay far away from it,because the people who do have an opinion on those words are very loud and very clear.
I have also learned that words do not mean the same to different people. Even words without that “weight”. For instance a mental image of an “island”. I think of a tropic island with a single palm tree. You might think of a rocky island. Someone else might think of Shetland. It depends a lot on you context, for instance if you grew up watching The Loveboat or Game Of Thrones.Or maybe you actually grew up on an island. That doesn’t just happen for “island”, but pretty much every word. Fortunately we have a very extensive common context in which we can find common ground to communicate meaning.
You can also see this in language. For instance how people speak regional dialects or how the Eskimo languages have so many words for snow or how calligraphy has influenced Japanese writing or Silbo Gomero
Thanks and I’m sorry I snapped.
Yeah language is confusing and uses itself as only a tool to convey some thought that only the speaker can truly know the intent of but yet we all can share.Meanwhile I just realized I was being silly with words in another thread were I only used words ending in -ing to prove its all nonsensical, so your providing extra context does nothing to detract.
Again, sorry.
Sure I get that, I run into that a bit also when talking about how kids are basically a modern day slave class legally speaking in the US. I think that’s probably because slave can mean 2 things, 1 being an umbrella term for “worker with freedoms removed and who is not earning capital or power,” and 1 being a specific term for US antebellum slavery which looked quite different from other forms of slavery.
The second use of the term is why people are being really pedantic imo. Because a lot of minimizing has been done to say that black slaves back then didn’t have it so bad, or that they had the same deal as the Irish who were indentured servants. It’s a really common white supremacist talking point in the south that typically leads to their point that black people are actually inferior because every race has dealt with slavery but they are behind because they suck etc. Typical racist garbage, because they want black people to be slaves again and are openly advocating for it with their rhetoric.
So yes ‘slave’ has a charged meaning. Similar to how pitbull can mean “short-haired medium to large sized terriers including staffordshires, bullys, dogs argentinos, American pitbull terriers,” or pitbull can just mean American Pitbull Terrier. I try to emphasize mean the general term when I say “a type of slave class,” or “a form of slavery.”
Fair enough. I grew up in an area with a heavy African, Italian, Irish and Polish immigrant population. So I literally had front row seats to that contention between the words that I couldn’t understand how they didn’t see the commonality in the group that set these conditions against them.
But words/language is such a complicated tool and I may not always be speaking to a global generalized audience.
Oh no, the camera lens broke! Oh well 🤷♂️
Seriously though, as a software engineer, this is some grade A USDA choice bullshit. The solution isn’t “don’t move your mouth”. The solution is fix the fucking ML training set.
No, the solution is to throw all that machine vision micro-managing shit away. It belongs in the factory sorting goods.
Well, yeah, but I’m not here to do an RCA - I’m just calling out the fact that they’re treating the symptom, but it’s the wrong symptom that’s being treated.
Exactly! In fact ENCOURAGE singing to get a better data set for fixing the software!
I refuse to believe that Amazon is real anymore.
I know it’s not the point, but what happens if you wear a mask? Either a cloth mask, or a Michael Myers mask. They’ll probably think “wow, this guy isn’t distracted at all! employee of the month!”
Just tape a nice picture of you really focusing on the road to the camera.
Now you can even drive around hookers or be a getaway driver during a bank heist.
Not even blinking, this guy is locked in
This gave me a genuine chuckle
While none of us here can say for sure, I wonder if this is more forced by Amazon’s fleet insurer raising rates rather than an evil directly from Amazon just because they can.
Amazon has roughly 30,000+ delivery vehicles. I don’t know their accident rate. But any injury or accident lawyer can tell you that listening to music and singing and generally be-bopping down the road IS distracted driving. This will cause larger payouts per accident and also higher insurance rates. And it’s low hanging fruit to go after in court. If Amazon is noticing the extra cost becoming an issue, it could well be the reason for such a draconian policy.
I’m not sayin’. I’m just sayin’ it could be a driver, (pun intended), in this instance.
A company having a policy because “the insurance company makes us” is no less evil than the insurance company.
I wish I can upvotes a million times because that deflection is how we got into this evil.
That’s not how insurance works. They monitor average speed, acceleration, and braking, if anything. There’s no correlation between mouth movement and accidents. What if someone is chewing gum? What about adjusting dentures? What about drinking coffee while parked?
Show me an actuarial table that includes “mouth movement” as a variable or admit this is just a middle manager trying something stupid.
You’re driving with a camera fine tuned on your face for the entire trip, set to trigger to your bosses when your face moves.
Not creepy at all.
I bet you could trick it with a cardboard cut out
Don’t know if I’d bet a month of paychecks on it.
Part of me wants to take a job at one of these couriers just to test it.
Part of me is ok with not knowing because that’s a lot to go through.
You wouldn’t get the job. You have to work your way up from the warehouse unless nepotism. And the warehouse is hell that might literally kill you.
wears a face mask
Why spend all the money union busting then do shit like this. Won’t this just starts another round of unionization?
They spent all that money union busting so they can do shit like this.
We’re not far from incurring debts from suicides that our families will have to repay.
Not sure if you think those don’t exist
They don’t at least in most of the western world you can’t inherit debt. It all comes out of the estate and if the estate isn’t worth enough then the lenders are out of luck. Now that doesn’t mean that unscrupulous lenders won’t try to go after the family but legally they don’t have a leg to stand on as long as you don’t start paying them. At least in the US if you pay them anything then they can take that to court as you agreeing to pick up the debt but if you just tell them to go pound sand then they can’t do anything.
That moment when you realize that dystopian future you’re imagining already exist.
It might open an unwanted can of worms but maybe the drivers could claim they aren’t
signingsinging along to the radio but are vocalizing actions like Japanese train operators to ensure focus and safety.Edit: I saw the sing and it opened up my eyes
claim they aren’t signing along to the radio
I mean…if they’re signing along to the radio, I’d say that’s really dangerous and needs to be cracked down on! Can’t sign sign language with both hands on the wheel after all!
Singing should be absolutely fine though.
It’s safe to sign while driving but only if you’re blind.
Amazon is trying to be the government