Why spend all the money union busting then do shit like this. Won’t this just starts another round of unionization?
They spent all that money union busting so they can do shit like this.
We’re not far from incurring debts from suicides that our families will have to repay.
Not sure if you think those don’t exist
They don’t at least in most of the western world you can’t inherit debt. It all comes out of the estate and if the estate isn’t worth enough then the lenders are out of luck. Now that doesn’t mean that unscrupulous lenders won’t try to go after the family but legally they don’t have a leg to stand on as long as you don’t start paying them. At least in the US if you pay them anything then they can take that to court as you agreeing to pick up the debt but if you just tell them to go pound sand then they can’t do anything.
That moment when you realize that dystopian future you’re imagining already exist.
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You should almost never quit if you expect to be fired. Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it. The government tends to err on the side of the employee in my experience when things are unclear, and “We have a knowledge gap that prevents us from confirming whether or not you were actually violating policy, but you’re fired anyway” is the kind of thing you can feel pretty confident challenging.
These drivers are most likely contractors, not employees, so no unemployment.
If the drivers are contractors, wouldn’t this level of surveillance and dictating how they perform their job be a violation of labor law? I thought this level of micro management would indicate that the drivers are employees not contractors.
Correct! Amazon and other delivery companies are absolutely violating labor laws and they’re getting away with it because of regulatory capture.
I thought I just saw the other day that a judge ruled they were employees, not contractors. Let me look…
Okay, it’s a little more complex than that - looks like it was one of their “delivery partners” who decided to unionize, and the NRLB ruled Amazon is a joint employer with the delivery partner company. lol Gift WaPo article for it. I couldn’t find other sources.
Make them fire you and file for unemployment, then challenge them when they try to get out of it.
I do not love the odds of a day laborer out maneuvering their professional claims denial behemoth in a court packed with pro-business Federalist Society flunkies.
Against some mom and pop porter service? Sure. But the odds of beating a company that vast and influential seems low.
Depends on the state. Some states are near impossible to get unemployment in. Others, it’s almost impossible for them to deny you unemployment outside of being violent or stealing from them. Know your state’s unemployment laws and use them to your benefit as best as you can.
My Mom managed to get unemployment in Texas against an oil company by spending about an hour total on the phone over a week.
Bonus was that the incident happened about a week before the Covid lockdown, so not only did she get unemployment, but also got the $600/week Covid unemployment bump.
we’re adult fucking humans and we expect to be fucking well treated like it
Sounds expensive. You’re going to hurt company profits with that attitude. Five Demerits on your Social Credit Score.
Communist totalitarianism is wonderful and good and as American as apple pie as long as it’s corporations doing it not governments.
not monitoring your fucking drivers like they’re fucking inmates in a maximum security prison you fascist-lite fucks
Weren’t you schooled in the US? Aint this exactly what they trained us for?
OBEY, PERFORM, DON’T ASK QUESTIONS OR ELSE
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a privilege and provides some context.
do you think that your schooling background and employment experience do not have these basic elements present with in “work culture”
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I refuse to believe that Amazon is real anymore.
When we eating the rich? I’m pretty hungry.
Just make sure you’re either not driving or somehow learn how to eat without using your mouth.
Boof the rich
Well if you’re ordering food… I’d like to order one large Bezos with extra Musk, please. Wait, make that Buffet… no no, Gates. With Branson on half.
You dont need to wait for everyone else to say grace, you can start now.
After years of this sentiment being passed around online it’s clear that shit isn’t going to happen until we have a military draft/Vietnam War level incident. The pot is boiling too slowly for most of us to jump out. And even if we do try to organize a strike or civil disobedience, the government has gotten good at assasinating leaders that threaten the system.
I’m sorry, that’s too much mouth movement. You are now on probation.
Set the goddamn table!
Never. Amazon institutes slavery-like conditions, while people keep taking those jobs voluntarily. The same people then buy into BS propaganda about unions bad, so they don’t even have a union in that voluntarily concentration camp.
Some techies who work from home, or walk dogs for living, or take money from parents, or whatever, then constantly circle-jerk on lemmy/reddit/(formerly)twitter about how they’ll eat the rich. While virtually doing absolutely utterly nothing.
So the answer is never.
[Btw, posting trump bad memes 5 times a day on a platform that probably votes dems 99.9% isn’t doing anything]
You wanna know what it means to be doing something? Read Lenin’s biography.
If you’re not in exile like Snowden, not dead like Navalny, not rotting in prison like Assange, you’re not doing enough.
Only when everyone will be ready to go to jail for their vision of the better tomorrow will they not be able to jail you individually and instead will have to change the system.
So, start a local riot group, prepare for two years, kidnap Bezos, sign him up as an Amazon contractor and with a gun pointed to his head make him work the job for 5 weeks.
In the meantime, I will be living in a functioning developed country with a democratically elected government that has long time ago instituted a minimum wage high enough for you to comfortably live off it. I don’t need to eat the rich. I just wish less people would vote far right.
We should keep mouth movement to a minimum so…chew the rich with your mouth closed.
Maybe we could make a fine paste. Space program style, and just squeeze it into a closed mouth.
Soylent Gold is rich people.
Eat the rich with a straw!
Drink the rich?
I will maliciously comply!
Starved even
Perhaps even peckish.
Positively famished, myself
I have a drive cam for work that dies something similar. While they don’t ding us for singing, they will for everything else like us scratching our ear because it thinks there’s an earpiece and we can’t have any electronic devices including GPS. But the camera screaming “FOLLOWING DISTANCE” every time we get cut off or a car 3 semi truck lengths away in 25 taps their brakes and forcing us to slam the brakes so we don’t get written up is perfectly safe.
This is absolutely terrible and definitely feels like an invasion of, idk, being a human?! But with that said, even though people find out stuff like this happens to drivers and workers, they still enable it by ordering from Amazon because of convenience.
Until we can pull away on our reliance on these services, the companies are just gonna keep crossing more and more lines because they know they’re getting away with it with their customers.
Until we can make crossing those lines painful for those companies, they’ll keep doing it. Unfortunately, I think convenience is always going to beat morality if you leave it to “voting with your dollar”, we need actual regulations from our governments to combat this shit.
It’s just that most people just genuinely don’t care enough about what’s happening to other people enough to do anything beyond just saying that Amazon is bad. On top of that as Amazon starts to drive other stores out of business it does start to slowly become the only choice for getting certain things. So with those two combined expecting personal consumer choice to really make a difference is not realistic, this is the kind of thing that needs the government to intervene on to force Amazon to unionize and to potentially break it up like is being discussed with Google.
If the workforce was 100% unionized, they may realize they don’t need bosses. There’s a word for this, but I can’t think of it right now.
If it’s step 1, cooperatives. If it’s step 2, communism.
Yeah, we should totally stop eating to show the grocery stores they can’t control their employees. /s
It’s 1964, you read this in a short story. You think its funny impossible distopia.
Phillip K Dick would be out of a job in 2024.
Was it in “Ubik” that people had to pay a fee every time they wanted to use their domestic appliances or even open the door to their own house?
20 years left to go…
Slight clarification to the headline: it’s not the employee’s cars they can’t sing in, it’s Amazon’s.
Not that it makes it better, but my first thought was, “how would they know…?”
Aren’t the trucks independently owned, and contracted to Amazon?
They’ve been claiming that, but the NLRB recently found that drivers are employees and able to join the Teamsters.
Amazon is committing terrorism against themselves.
Wow. This is some Orwellian nightmare fuel. I can see this becoming a thing in a lot of places if this is allowed
I mean Amazon started it’s driving program to undercut UPS -A union shop. How is this not just scabs getting their comeuppance?
Did you really just blame the drivers for this?
The non-union drivers in cooperation with Amazon* actively undermined another established union. Sure, yeah. I’d say until they organize or shut-down, they can share some of the blame.
There is no game-changing paradigm shift to Amazons delivery driver business model. It was always simply to undercut an established middle-man that already had unionized. It’s just deregulation & union-busting with an extra degree of separation. It’s disappointing that so many laborers don’t recognize this.
100 percent
Does your employer reallly have the right to fire you because you sing in his car ? Is it legal in the US ?
Everything is legal in the usa for corporations and the rich. Just a little itsy fine to pay and then you never hear about it again, even though they don’t stop
The National Labor Relations Board recently ruled that Amazon was illegally blocking delivery workers from unionizing. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/labor-board-confirms-amazon-drivers-are-employees-in-finding-hailed-by-union/
I bet this is monitored by AI software
I recall several cases of “copyright infringement” that this reminds me of.
One case was an auto-shop that was just playing music on their stereo system or whatever
another case was an elderly couple that liked to sing songs together
we really have to get the DMCA under control. it does way more harm than good
Amen. If we could get a community against this going, it would be a first step. Would you like to help with such a thing. Lets be the change we want to see.
