It is soo good. A tech company i just got offer from. In their onboarding app, they let me join the union on the first day.
This is what you see in the company with strong union.
I’m coming at this from the bottom. But it’s incredibly sus to me.
I’d contact the union direct and speak to them about this before I signed.
So you’re working at E-corp and they want to sign you up for the F-society?
The only thing that would be less G-money than that would be if the job was in H-town.
Nah, I J/K.
If I may ask, what company?
Hell yeah
And a screenshot with a nearly full battery? They clearly hired well.
No, you’re not supposed to go beyond 80%. Fire that fool immediately. /s
Fuck apple and it’s “AI powered” battery charge protector for my laptop that says it’ll stop it at 80% (or 85%?) based on your usage habits, but always charges it to full because fuck your battery. I’d bet money they don’t give you the option to permanently set it and not be AI driven because they know the battery dies sooner because their AI battery manager sucks.
I may be triggered.
No, they give you the option to cap the charge percentage at 80% but you’ll need to buy iPhone 15 to get it 🙃
I’m specifically talking about macbooks.
My laptop is of course at 100% despite what this says, plugged into my wall outlet, like usual.
That means your battery (which can hold 94% of its original specified charge) is at 100% of 94%. Not indicating 94% and never going higher (because the 6% is unable to hold a charge). What it can hold, is full, so 100%.
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I understand how to read.
Ignore the 94% it’s the part below it.
It’s supposed to stop charging my battery at 80%. It (edit: almost) always charges my battery to 100% despite the setting.
Jesus, my Moto G from 2022 has that feature… Apple is a bunch of aasholes.
Some phones will allow you to select battery protection - 100% at 80%, 0% at 20%
I got a job once that required me to join the union. It was bagging groceries part time for minimum wage at a grocery store. Sorry I don’t mean to be a downer, I see union membership as a good thing. Unions are like democracy. They are only as good as the people they are made of.
Yeah, my brothers first job in a grocery store, sane thing. He was required to join a union and the dues taken out of his pay, despite being part time minimum wage for the summer . All the union benefits were for full timers, so it was basically stealing money from people who could least afford it.
I’m generally pro- union but for sure there are some taking advantage
Yeah, I got really screwed by Pepsi and their “union”. Overall though, unions are great and we need more of them to combat shit employers. Just don’t let your union reps be company men…
What good is the union if they can’t even get you more than minimum wage? Wow.
Yeah I didn’t work there very long. It was 1984 and unemployment was 10%. Being fresh out of high school I took whatever I could find
I’m sure the union rep made it sound like you must, but I wonder if you were actually required. The major US grocery chain I worked for, the union shoved themselves down your throat but it was NOT required. It felt to me that their negotiations amounted more to collusion than actually fighting for the workers. I hope they’re the weakest union in the history of the world and that they don’t all suck as badly.
You can’t be forced to join a union in right to work states. In all other states you can.
Yeah, that could be the difference - I definitely lived in a right to work state. But they certainly sold it even there as if you must join.
The way I remember it (40 years ago) the manager told me joining was required but I could be wrong. It was an awful union. Former employees were suing the union and grocery store chain for how bad they were screwed over
Why tf would you ever join a union for a minimum wage? What are they even doing for you in that case beside making you actually make less than minimum wage now after you pay your dues.
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A lot of times it is another way to “pay your dues”. Once you’re “in” the union, you probably get preferential treatment for higher level full time jobs…
I e. The company has to hire union workers first.
Things like sick pay, time off, healthcare etc.
My buddy kept a shift a week at the grocery store from his teens to 30s just for the benefits.
It depends on the state. Some states don’t have right to work laws, meaning that you can be forced to join a union to work a certain job. Unions are great ideas but some of them really do suck. My ex was sexually harassed repeatedly by her manager at a grocery store and the union reps told her to take a compliment and quit complaining.
Unions are only as good as the workers are willing to work together to make them
When my job unionized (it was through an amalgamation), my union immediately fired a grievance against the managers that got amalgamated who did some shady shit, and I got a 2500 dollar payout, and they got told to quit/retire or be fired, so they did. Everyone needs a union.
Canada just had legislation go into aff3ect every 5 hours needs a 30 min break. A pro worker move!
But my shift is 10 hours and the company pettily tacked on the extra half hour unpaid. They get no extra work from me, just forced to sit at the end.
Unions fighting it, speaking even to the Labour Minister. I like unions.
Huh, hadn’t seen that before. But does that necessarily mean it is a strong union? Couldn’t it also mean it’s an employer-controlled union that is not really going to do anything for you?
It’s more likely there not because the employer wanted it, but because the union demanded it.
You’ve got a point. This can be a sign of something sinister. It’s not necessarily a bad a sign but the situation that the previous user pointed out happens frequently enough that it could be.
Employer controlled union. That’s oxymoron.
No not really, if you read more about unions you will see that they aren’t always working in their members’ best interests and sometimes union leadership will ally with employers to secure their futures above those of union members. Not all unions are created equal. From what little I know and have read in the past about unions. Not that I have first hand experience.
It’s called a yellow union
No joke, I see this becoming more common. They’re even doing it the way I imagined: straight up integrated with onboarding.
Maybe it’s an outspoken prediction, that in the future many more businesses will prefer a unionized workforce, but I think a number of current societal and market vectors would suggest that trend. In particular, consider the variety of HR-related logistics, liabilities, and relational concerns of a modern business that amount to operational overhead. You can likely imagine ways that unions might simplify, stabilize, or fully externalize that friction, such that the increased productivity outweighs higher labor expenses, similar to the way efficiency wages in labor economics can ultimately reduce turnover related expenses. That’s just one way unions could become an attractive solution to employers and employees alike.
At any rate, it’s what I would prefer if I needed to hire W2s, to the extent that I’d be willing to help spin up local chapters if necessary, and it only takes a handful of successful examples to accelerate labor trends.
Seriously in Europe many investment funds activly go to the unions and ask which problems the company have. They are often better informed and honest then the normal management. They also have an obvious intresst in keeping the company around.
That is fascinating. It makes a lot of sense. They’re safe to point out when the emperor has no clothes.
Unions have long made businesses run better. They don’t fight unionization efforts because of profit. They do it because of control.
It’s important to remember that “they” is specific people with varying goals. Similarly, merely saying “profit” doesn’t tell us anything about where the money is going.
Unions help to fight inflation and price gouging as well. Unions are good for the entirety of any economy in which they exist. There are decades upon decades of independent and government funded research that supports this.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/labor-unions-and-the-us-economy
At the expense of profit? If control is preferable to operational stability, why do so many businesses use IT vendors?
They still have a leaver on outside vendors. And yes, power is ultimately their goal. If there’s a conflict between power and profit, they choose power.
OK just so we’re crystal, I’m only interested in fixing what’s broken. I have no time for doomerism, tedious conspiracies, or despair.
What I’m saying is that you can’t go to businesses and say “a union will make this whole place run better for everyone” and expect them to take that for an answer. Unions have to fight. Some of those fights have been bloody.
That’s not doomerism, tedious conspiracies, or despair. It’s what has happened already in the history of unions.
Of course, union battles are a matter of history. And yes, today the rational agents of global economies often see unionization as a threat, clearly.
I argue that it’s only a threat insofar as it’s a disruptive paradigm. On the whole it’s a more fiscally advantageous schema for all but the monolithic “vertically integrated” international corporations that profit largely from self-dealing (and probably need to be broken up anyway).
You said businesses prioritize “Control” and “Power” over profit — i.e. they are not rational economic agents but despots. It’s a bleak perspective since despots can’t be reasoned with, only overthrown, and moreover it dismisses economic theory entirely.
I’m just weary of the defeatism. I know we’ve been through a lot and many of us are terribly jaded, but giving up is not an option. I want to win.
moreover it dismisses economic theory entirely.
Yes.
I’m just weary of the defeatism
I don’t see it as a defeat. I’m not saying give up. I’m saying know what we’re up against.
If the employer if promoting a union, its probably somewhat in their pocket. Its just an extension of HR. I used to use the printer in the same room as my workplace HR and the union rep would constantly be insulting employees behind their backs to them.
could also be in their contract with the union that they must promote it
The F*** family
That’s pretty slick. What country ?
This is most often an effect of collective bargaining between unions and the company, not their gesture of goodwill. Teleperformance, a massive global shared service was recently forced to do that by Uni Global Union.
why you need permission to join in the first place?
They don’t.
They made it easy for you, they didn’t let you.
They let him use the app to do so. This is needlessly pedantic
I disagree that it was needless due to how many people don’t understand that they have a right to join or form a union. The fact that it can be read as either providing an opportunity or as the company granting permission seemed like the perfect opportunity to reinforce the importance of seeing unions as a right.
Not disagreeing with you, unionization is a right and needs to be treated as such, including in the language we use around it. But don’t some unions not allow you to join immediately? Like you have to work there 30 days or something first? That’s how I read this
That is not disagreement since it is another example. As you pointed out, the union is the one who makes those decisions, not the company.
