Poor Elon doesn’t just understand what it’s like to not be comfortable with your body without extensive medical treatments.
Can someone explain the “jawline” part? It looks the same to me.
I think it’s an illusion. The hairline, as well as a beard, changes how one “reads” a face. His squar-ish haircut also draws attention to similar features in the jaw.
The guy on the right definitely looks like he has enough testosterone. Sure it’s not the effects of testosterone that 16 year olds and pre transition trans men dream of excitedly, but speaking as a trans woman, that’s the effects I dreaded. He looks like if Jason Alexander wasn’t handsome. Nobody can deny that Jason Alexander looks masculine as fuck.
Chop a 5-year-old boy’s balls off because he decided to play with Barbies one day.
Gender affirming care.
Do a hair transplant for a full grown adult.
Gender affirming care.
Yep. Same thing. No difference whatsoever!
Chop a 5-year-old boy’s balls off because he decided to play with Barbies one day.
Wait, wait, where does that happen?
Nowhere
Appeal to Extremes.
Replying to my deleted comment:
My comment was removed, and the stated reason was “homophobia”. This is a lie, but exactly what I would expect in an echo-chamber operative-run community like this one.
Instead of letting censorship prevail, here is the full text of the comment. I’ll let you be the judge:
Chop a 5-year-old boy’s balls off because he decided to play with Barbies one day.
Gender affirming care.
Do a hair transplant for a full grown adult.
Gender affirming care.
Yep. Same thing. No difference whatsoever!
from a hair transplant clinic in Istanbul
Not Constantinople?
Thats nobody’s business but the Turks.
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
I’ve got a date in Constantinople
She’ll be waiting in Istanbul.
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.
Why they changed it, I can’t say!
Now it’s Turkish delight on a moonlit night
was Constantinople
Oh he knows
That would require some self-awareness which Musk has none of that.
Plastic surgery.
What are you saying, that plastic surgery is gender affirming care, because it is in most cases. Exemptions would be things like a rhinoplasty for breathing impairments, but if done for looks it would fall under gender affirming care.
Plastic surgery started as reconstructive surgery after accidents/invasive surgeries like mastectomies. Breast reconstruction and augmentation would both really fall under gender affirming care, although the former would be for losing something about themselves that was part of their gender and the latter for trying to fit social expectations.
Cranial reconstruction and other gender neutral plastic surgeries exist too.
Social expectations is gender though. What is a gender neutral plastic surgery? If you are doing a smaller nose for a woman or a larger nose for a man it isnt neutral.
Reconstructive surgery is a subset of plastic surgery separate from cosmetic surgery.
This definition is contrasted with cosmetic surgery performed to improve aesthetics or the appearance of a body part.
Reconstructive surgery includes fixing a cleft lip. Repairing a half destroyed face after an accident. Removing extensive scarring that is causing pain because it isn’t as flexible as non-scarred skin. There are TONS of gender neutral reconstructive surgeries.
Reconstructive surgery is performed to construct a person’s look to fit what is socially wanted, which coincidentally is a part of gender. If it is not needed to breath, it is about attractiveness, which is a social construct separated in categories of gender. Which is why gender “norms” are often considered toxic and don’t need to exist. If it is relieving pain or assisting with ones ability to breath/ eat, I would say it isn’t gender affirming.
You say there are tons of gender neutral constructive surgeries/alterations,what would they be? One might be considered to be Botox, because it is used by both genders, but where/why it is used is different based on cultural perception of gender, aka gender affirming.
Long story short, gender is a social construct, if you are doing something to fit in with a society, it will likely fall there.
You say there are tons of gender neutral constructive surgeries/alterations,what would they be?
Maybe try reading the words I wrote or the links I provided.
I did. Your link is just one, and starts with “Reconstructive surgery is surgery performed to restore normal appearance” meaning it is a cultural perception of normal. As for medical necessity that was in my first comment where I discussed breathing in an example of a rhinoplasty (the only example mentioned by either of us). So you supported what I was saying but are acting like you are refuting it. It’s fine that we will disagree.
Where’s the line between vanity and “self-affirmation”? Not a leading question.
Gender is defined by a cultural perception, so all attractiveness would be encompassed within the cultural perception. So a lady who gets her breasts augmented wouldn’t essentially matter whether it is to self affirm or vanity or to attract others, it would all just fall into what culture taught that person was appealing.
I’m sure there are many that would pick my wording apart or disagree, but maybe that answers some of your question? Self affirmation and vanity I would say are not mutually exclusive though, there is overlap.
Vanity is making sure others like what they see of you; self-affirmation is making sure you like what you see of you.
I’m not sure that’s accurate.
Then correct it.
Probably right around the line between self- confidence and self-worth. They’re very similar, but having low self-confidence affects you in different ways than having low self-worth.
It’s helpful to think about opposites when considering differences, at least for me. The contrast in the concepts of the opposite of vanity and the opposite of self-affirmation make clear that there’s at least some kind of distinction and difference in purpose, even if it’s not totally clear.
Breast augmentation is vanity.
Breast reconstruction after a mastectomy is self-affirmation.
What’s the line between society and the individual? That’s the core question here
If you can answer that I can probably give you a hint, but it’s a concept that can’t be taught, only learned. And it’s an important one, worth thinking over… It’s subjective, but key to understanding your own existence
Ask Elon Musk if he’s okay with adults getting gender-affirming care.
In fact, ask anyone other than your own inner straw man whether they oppose gender affirming care for adults.
We don’t need to ask him, his daughter is an adult and he treats her like shit and still dead names her. There’s no strawman here.
Did his jawline really change from the images left and right or are they just taken from different angles?
Yea, this one’s a stretch. My jawline continued to change in my 30s, and just 10lbs weight difference made a big shift in my face.
I searched for “paypal elon” and found other angles
Assuming Elon is the guy on the right, I don’t see obvious differences to the left picture (except of course his hairline).
That’s Peter Thiel, the gay billionaire who wants to turn America into a network of technofeudalist monarchies each lead by a CEO-king.
He’s single-handedly responsible for J.D. Vance’s political rise, and is Trump’s largest donor.
Hard to believe that PayPal would end up creating the men who would end up actually having a real chance at destroying America.
Also, very funny to me that Musk has been trying to force x-dot-com to happen for so long. He bought that expensive domain in the 90’s and so far the only times it’s ever been used was first as the original PayPal domain, which despite being very simple has considered terrible branding for a financial company and the other founders forced a domain change. The second time was Musk buying Twitter and ruining it.
Between those two uses, Musk has been spending millions a year in registration fees for that cursed domain, and running his mouth non-stop about an “everything app” with no other description than that it would have features similar to PayPal (Musk only understands money and nothing else), and it would be hosted on the X domain.
When Musk bought Twitter, he promised that it would transform into this fabled “everything app”, but so far the only thing he added to the platform is Nazis.
Ah, some years ago I’ve read an article about him and his plan, but didn’t remember his face. The picture therein was something in the fashion of a mafia familiy photo.
Aside from the initial purchase of the domain, wouldn’t the yearly registration be the standard registration renewal price?
Not for 1-3 letter domains, especially .com domains. Those basically fund ICANN.
Apparently x dot com stayed with PayPal until 2017 when Musk bought it back. While we don’t know the price, it’s probably been in the millions
https://qz.com/1026167/elon-musk-just-bought-x-com-the-domain-he-once-owned-from-paypal
Male pattern baldness is a male/masculine trait. Working against that is not gender affirming.
Stand by your shiny domes, men
I don’t have male pattern baldness, but is hair thinning a masculine trait? Just kidding, I couldn’t give less of a shit what people consider makes me masculine. I’m a man as far as I’m concerned.
Yeah, boyyeee!
Chrome domes unite
It’s a sign of too much testosterone being converted to dht and having genes that sensitize the hair on your head to it so that they fall out, which primarily happens with age and stress.
He wants to look like a young virile male rather than looking like he swallowed a couch cushion.
Gender affirming care.
Couch cushion image for reference.
He’s shaped like a cybertruck…
That’s just a very vain middle-aged man that doesn’t do any sports desperately sucking in his sizable gut.
Jesus fuck, those proportions are unfortunate
I in the other hand want to look like whatever it is that pulls those dancing Asian girls in YouTube shorts. Want a femboy? I got u. Gangster? I guess I’m leaving stickers on hats now.
Keep him away from jd
I’m bald.
I’m proud.
I’m bald and don’t care one way or the other.
Like looking in a mirror.
Bioessensialism for thee but not for me. (Fuck you, got mine basically.)
He also has this thing about having lots of children to ensure the future of the human race. Dude, you know how you hated the way you looked? The surgeries aren’t in your DNA. You’re not part of a master race. (except he probably still thinks so because he’s white cause he’s a nazi shithead)
Yeah at least I acknowledge I looked great before the gender affirming care. I was hot pre transition, I’m hot post transition. Elon is over here thinking his kids will inherit his jawline and hairline. I’d insult his kids’ potential intelligence but his ex daughter seems to have gotten her mom’s brains
Question: Can supplemental testosterone cause anger management issues and/or accelerated cognitive decline?
According to Dr. Mike: steroids/testosterone, depending on what type and how much, can cause: anxiety, intrusive violent thoughts, a “marked, proximate reduction in IQ,” and “an inability to perceive a broad spectrum of positive human emotion.”
He (Dr. Mike) openly uses “gear” and has a PhD in sports physiology, so I consider his opinion valid. You can hear more about his thoughts on the subject here:
Lol, you got me. That would explain a lot. Cook it up with some ketamine and suddenly a lot of his behavior makes a lot more sense.
Anger management, yeah. Hence the “roid rage” stereotype.
Cognitive decline, I don’t think there’s any evidence.
Yeah, the cognitive decline could be due to excessive drug use (ketamene). Plus the side effects of hormone imbalances on a person with malignant narcissism.
I have a theory that the anger issues could lead to cognitive decline. Anger and rage has a tendency to kick off the fight or flight response. With that comes survival mode, lizard brain thinking, and irrational decision making. There’s a lot of viral videos of people in this situation where the anger is causing them to make bad decisions. The experience might even be traumatic for them, kicking off their mental defense mechanisms.
Afterward, they post-hoc try to justify what happened in those moments to hold onto the idea that they are still a good person. Occasionally they realize they have a problem that needs to be fixed, but many times they will dig into their irrational positions with new emotional attachments to it. It can take a lot of therapy to get past it, which still has a lot of stigma with testosterone-types, so they don’t and the irrational “logic” builds up over time. Therefore, cognitive decline.
Are there more substantiated studies on the effects of anger, especially there we see this pattern? I think I am seeing it over and over, but I can’t be sure of the prevalence of the behavior since there is a bias in the media I see.
I think the easier explanation is that the cognitive decline is because of all the ketamine, like ThePowerOfGeek suggested
Did he really get jawline surgery? I thought it was just because of him abusing steroids and testosterone. That’s why he has that weird barrel chest nowadays.
Yeah that’s probably just someone assuming he got jaw surgery since his jawliy changed.
I get what everyone is saying, but if we’re being totally honest their issue is with gender affirming care is when it’s used for the opposite gender they want to force you to maintain.
Male affirm male ok. Female affirm female ok. Male affirm female… AHHHHHHH!!! BE AFRAID!!!
Either way we’re all correct in calling them assholes that should stay the fuck out of our pursuit of happiness.
when it’s used for the opposite gender
I’ve never seen Elon present his long form birth certificate for the State of Texas to review, before beginning these treatments
Ah, but you see, a man who wants to live as a woman is delusional. A weak, low-T beta male who wants to live as an alpha is
…no, I still can’t figure out how they square that with themselves
Eh, “cut my penis off because I want to be a woman” is a pretty far leap from “I wish i wasn’t bald”. That’s how they square it.
I’m not judging one way or other.
So it’s just a question of degree?
That means they’ll have no problem with men growing their hair out, for example, or wearing makeup?
Tbf: their understanding of the “original gender”.
I literally heard an interview with a trans person who talked about how everyone who feels that they want to exert some effort to adjust their appearance to affirm the gender they feel is correct for them is trans. It doesn’t matter what the starting or ending point is, if you make decisions to enhance your gender expression in any way, then you’re engaging in trans behavior, and I think it’s a great point.
Yeah, no. We don’t need to make shit up. However, we could call it trans-gender affirming care and cis-gender affirming care. Using cis will trigger these idiots anyway, no need to call it trans.
I mean that’s just completely incorrect though. The sentiment might be coming from a good place but it doesn’t work that way.
