Well considering how many regular people get shot, yes…there definitely are flaws, however I did use conditional language “usually”, so you’d have to get in the weeds to judge who gets deliberately shot and if they were nice or not.
Tbf, I still call it into question. Technically “usually” people shoot themselves, 20,000 more times yearly than someone shoots another person. All of my friends who have killed themselves were actually some of the best people, of course this empirical evidence doesn’t mean that everyone who shoots themselves is well liked, but in my case it’s never the ones you’d wish would (figuratively, it’d be cool if nobody did it) it’s always the ones that make you sad.
Furthermore by a large margin most of our homicides are gang/drug related, and while the Crips may hate the Bloods, they do like the other crips and their family members like them too and such, so it isn’t as if they’re universally hated, but more like most people they’re hated by some and loved by others, “controversial” if you will. Sorta like MLK, or Trump. Some love 'em, some hate 'em.
Furtherevenmore? Furthermost? The next largest category can be described as “crimes of passion” which is usually a spouse or business partner. Typically the “liked” one is the victim (perhaps unsurprisingly, those that would stoop to spousal killing aren’t so likeable.)
And at some level in there depending on where you source your stats is self defense, which involves necessity rather than likability by definition.
My premise was that someone goes out of their way to shoot someone else, so suicide is right out based on that criteria.
The rest I’m not really thinking is worth our time to quibble over semantics and we probably don’t want to get in the weeds about statistics.
For instance the gang members - yes, you need to “go out of your way” to hop in a car and go do a drive-by shooting. But now we get to the people being shot at. Do you consider the gang members being shot at “bad people”? That right there is a deep dive into social stigma, poverty, prejudice, and a whole discussion about personal views and the lives of the people being shot at. Then what if the shooter hits an innocent bystander? Some are perfectly willing to suggest that anyone hanging out with gang members, even if not a member themselves, is by default not a good person. Guilty by association, as it were? Maybe the gang banger was well liked in the neighborhood…still a bad guy?
How about the crime of passion…if there’s a gun in the house and there has been domestic violence in the past, but this time someone uses the gun and shoots the other, is that still “going out of the way” to shoot them? What do we know about whether they’re good people or not?
Self defense isn’t going you of your way to shoot someone at all. That’s usually to stop an immediate threat.
Tbf people don’t usually go out of their way to shoot nice people.
You’ve not met m(any) US cops, I take it?
I’m still alive.
So… all those kids in all those schools?
You’re going to make me debate what “usual” is for shootings in the US. That’s a grim one.
Sadly, it’s usual.
Yeah they do. MLK, Kennedy, Lincoln, Reagan… MOST of the time the person is nice.
One of those things is not like the other… 🤔
A reverend, a catholic, a bearded man, and a demon
He was still “nice” as far as presidents go. Even Lincoln himself was a bit of an overreacher.
Like, polite? Maybe. He was certainly not kind.
What did he do?
Ignored HIV, gutted school funding, illegally sold arms to Iran to fund the Sandinistas, fired 11k air traffic controllers, started the culture wars…
There’s much more, but that’s a start
Yeah, like MLK! Wait…I think your premise may be flawed.
Well considering how many regular people get shot, yes…there definitely are flaws, however I did use conditional language “usually”, so you’d have to get in the weeds to judge who gets deliberately shot and if they were nice or not.
Tbf, I still call it into question. Technically “usually” people shoot themselves, 20,000 more times yearly than someone shoots another person. All of my friends who have killed themselves were actually some of the best people, of course this empirical evidence doesn’t mean that everyone who shoots themselves is well liked, but in my case it’s never the ones you’d wish would (figuratively, it’d be cool if nobody did it) it’s always the ones that make you sad.
Furthermore by a large margin most of our homicides are gang/drug related, and while the Crips may hate the Bloods, they do like the other crips and their family members like them too and such, so it isn’t as if they’re universally hated, but more like most people they’re hated by some and loved by others, “controversial” if you will. Sorta like MLK, or Trump. Some love 'em, some hate 'em.
Furtherevenmore? Furthermost? The next largest category can be described as “crimes of passion” which is usually a spouse or business partner. Typically the “liked” one is the victim (perhaps unsurprisingly, those that would stoop to spousal killing aren’t so likeable.)
And at some level in there depending on where you source your stats is self defense, which involves necessity rather than likability by definition.
My premise was that someone goes out of their way to shoot someone else, so suicide is right out based on that criteria.
The rest I’m not really thinking is worth our time to quibble over semantics and we probably don’t want to get in the weeds about statistics.
For instance the gang members - yes, you need to “go out of your way” to hop in a car and go do a drive-by shooting. But now we get to the people being shot at. Do you consider the gang members being shot at “bad people”? That right there is a deep dive into social stigma, poverty, prejudice, and a whole discussion about personal views and the lives of the people being shot at. Then what if the shooter hits an innocent bystander? Some are perfectly willing to suggest that anyone hanging out with gang members, even if not a member themselves, is by default not a good person. Guilty by association, as it were? Maybe the gang banger was well liked in the neighborhood…still a bad guy?
How about the crime of passion…if there’s a gun in the house and there has been domestic violence in the past, but this time someone uses the gun and shoots the other, is that still “going out of the way” to shoot them? What do we know about whether they’re good people or not?
Self defense isn’t going you of your way to shoot someone at all. That’s usually to stop an immediate threat.