• InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
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    5 months ago

    Their only chance to win is if the Democrats don’t vote. If everyone voted, there wouldn’t be enough republikkklowns in office to make a difference. They know this. VOTE like your freedom depends on it. (because it does)

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    5 months ago

    except we aint telling you not to vote. fascists vote because they are who the system was designed for.

  • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    Looking forward to this one guy being held up as representative of the entire 1/3 of Americans who don’t vote, as well as third party voters of all stripes.

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    They almost always do. Don’t vote campaigns works on only non-fanatics and they are usually the more sensible compared to fanatics so yea

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    Well fuck that guy. I love how he tries to compare voting to sexual abstinence too. He’s so high on his own supply he can’t stop from telling on himself.

  • WoolyNelson@lemmy.world
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    Where it matters is which sock is putting judges on the Supreme Court. Trump added three in his last stint. Seeing as they tend to sit for 30+ years, this has generational impact.

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        When was she supposed to retire? Republicans didn’t even hold a vote for Merrick Garland under Obama’s presidency, so if your answer was during that term, then there’d be no chance she would have been replaced, and she’d be blamed for retiring too early.

        Blaming Ginsburg for Republican fuckery is misguided and can only be justified with the benefit of hindsight, which she didn’t have at the time.

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          She was supposed to have the foresight to assume that the six months or so when they had a majority (when they passed ACA) was the last time Democrats would have the slightest hope of appointing a new supreme court justice.

          What a fool she was! Not knowing the future!

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            The house does not vote on judges. Only the Senate. Obama had a friendly Senate until Jan 2015. They could even have done it during the lame duck session. But in reality the Senate was widely forecasted to change control so she could have retired in the spring without controversy.

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              But they didn’t have the supermajority necessary to overcome a filibuster anymore. Even the cloture rule enacted in 2013 excluded supreme court nominations.

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                And that would have been gone in a hot second if they blocked RBG’s replacement. They removed exactly what they needed to confirm judges.

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        You know, with the way everything just seems to go Trumps way in the end, a person might almost theorize there’s a conspiracy.

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      Trump didn’t do it all on his lonesome. He did it with senatorial approval.

      The president is not a king… yet. Treating it like the only position that matters is a big part of the problem.

  • Freefall@lemmy.world
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    It is gaining traction with leftists that don’t understand how FPTP voting works. Just educate them. Every single right-wing anchor they try to attach to our society can be destroyed with education and information.

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      This is the classic pincer manoeuvre of the right and mainstream media: the left wing candidate is always both too left and not left enough at the same time.

      And they reinforce it with shitty opinion pieces of “all sides”. Anything to minimise left wing gains and keep the ratchet going.

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    Dude’s got the haircut down. All he needs is to trim down that mustache from either sides to complete the “fine people on both sides” look

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      God damn, I actually was trying to put my finger on why he looked familiar and you just nailed it

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      Literal years, their game plan with getting the DNC leaked was getting progressive dems to not vote, or vote 3rd party (which is the same as not voting in the US) And the end result was… Trump.

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        Mathematically, anyone who didn’t vote against trump, vote for him, when he won. That is just how our system plays out.

        We all agree it is a bad system.

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          Clearly, the only way to beat the system is to not play the game, or to purposely lose the game to show the other players how bad the system is. It will work one of these centuries!!

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        I don’t accuse everyone. Just the ones that are obvious. You can tell who they are by the fact that they can’t help themselves from accusing others of making blanket statements when they’re clearly not- in order to appear as if they have a valid argument.

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    I’ve noticed a substantial decrease in the “Hurr durr Genocide Joe, I’m taking the moral high ground by not voting!” comments since the debate, with a stark uptick in “Biden is unfit, so I’m not voting”. It’s almost like… some sort of group or organization were intentionally manipulating the public commentary based on carefully selected and salient talking points to convince American voters to not turn out for Biden on election day… Perhaps an entity with something to gain from having Trump be re-elected? A certain plutocratic state currently mired in a years-long losing war against a much smaller and weaker foe, maybe?

    Like seriously, I’ve barely heard a peep about Gaza in the past two weeks. It’s bizarre. I’m sure there are still people who care about that issue, but the vast majority of the most vocal anti-Israel users on Lemmy went silent right after Biden bombed that debate.

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      yeeeeuuup. the guy who replied with actual facts during the debate is called unfit while the idiot who spewed lies or just rambled is somehow better. just like the guy who is trying to reign in bibi is genocide but trump somehow would save Gaza.

      It’s so fucking stupid.

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
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        It isn’t a role. It is a choice in America. There are no laws requiring you to vote. Not voting can also be seen as a protest of what some consider to be a uniparty. We can prob agree it isn’t really the best choice right now, but one that I respect to not overreact to those that advocate for it.

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          It’s part of the social contract.

          If anyone bemoans the degradation of so many aspects of American social contract ( or highlight it was never available) , they have to do their part as a citizen.

          Edit it’s one of the core principles of democracy. It’s not “I’ll vote if I feel like it”.

          If you must protest, do so by voting for a spoiler, or your favorite philosopher or writer.

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            Tantrum voting for a spoiler (objectively the exact same as voting for “the other guy” btw…FPTP Voting suuuuucks) is fine, usually. This time around it is a hard one to suggest, or even tolerate, because the stakes are the worst. That is why it is even a debate…spoiling to feel superior and us ending up with Bush jr. lead to a lot of horrible stuff (I lost friends and brothers to one of them in particular), but it didn’t bring down our country and never really threatened to.

    • Freefall@lemmy.world
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      Honestly, people should definitely vote, even if it is for their own downfall. That is how America works. If the majority of the population GENUINELY want us to become a christofascist theocracy, then it should become one (very much to my and many others’ chagrin…).

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      Yes.

      If every single eligible voter in the U.S.A. would vote in the next election, Trump would lose.

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
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        But if they don’t vote, that is okay too cause it is their right not to?

        Just asking… The last post that was highly upvoted about this guy was calling for people to murder him and set the campus on fire.

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          Are you actually just asking? Or are you trying to be a petty little bitch? This guy, if true, is a clown. He voted incorrectly, but I can’t repair the brain damage, but I won’t stop them from voting because everyone should have a vote in the election system. That’s how it works.

          Now, say that guy and others are voting to create a new system that takes the system of free and fair elections away from others. Then is it fair to let them implement that system when we know it’s counter to what the actual goal of democracy is? It’s the argument of allowing hate speech to exist in a world of free speech.

          Oh, and if people don’t vote… maybe they shouldn’t be writing a fucking op-Ed about it while talking about politics.

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            Why are you so upset? Are you afraid his opinion piece is going to influence other people and turn Biden’s -7% in the polls into a -10%? Not voting is actually considered a political decision, especially if you feel disenfranchised in a system where neither candidate appeals to you. Democrats complained about people voting third party in 2016. They blamed the Bernie voters that instead voted for Jill Stein for Trump winning, rather than admitting they picked a bad candidate. So again, tell me what it is about not voting that bothers you so much when it is people’s choice which you should respect if that is what they decide.

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              There it is! Your absolute dog shit take on life.

              Here’s the deal, for me; I’m wealthy, white, and have a typical nuclear family. I will be fine. Whatever happens will probably benefit me for the better. However, clearly you’re somewhat paying attention to politics while advocating not doing anything. The cowards way, or the weak man’s philosophy. No one was wrong when they said that not voting for Clinton would be the biggest mistake. My wife now can’t get an abortion if she needs one, my gas guzzling truck will soon be given free reign to pollute as much as it wants because the chevron doctrine has been struck down, and we’re staring down the barrel of a potential president (again) with ambitions of being a dictator and life long ruler who has shown that he will do anything to keep his family in charge. Was there some wrong shit done in the 2016 election? Sure, however Bernie still didn’t have the momentum that Clinton had. Full stop. And I voted for him. I didn’t go off to Grandma Russkie and her pockets full of Kremlin cash. People like you will absolutely watch the US burn down because you’re too stupid to take a stand and you’re incapable of realizing when something is bigger than you. Fucking vote. It’s that simple. Show up, fill out a form, do something. Don’t let them take that from others and you. Rather than your weak attempt at trying to prove you’re some intellect when you’re just a pompous loser on the fucking internet trying to talk others into complacency with fascism.

              Forgive me if I sound mean, it’s 114 outside right now. You’re still a full on idiot if you don’t vote and then talk any politics, bitch, or do anything.

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        If every single eligible voter in the U.S.A. would vote in the next election

        They can’t. Most can’t afford to miss a day of work.

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          I’m a big proponent of compulsory voting, and Voting Day being a national holiday is a natural consequence of such a system.