• comador @lemmy.world
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    No one remembers Metrosexual I guess. It was the 00’s attempt at trying to stop the stereotypical masculinity in hetero men.

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      Nah, people remember, it was just not that great at breaking hetero stereotypes. It just shifted them to being pretty while still thinking the same way. It was a step for sure, but not really a big one.

      What really helped break through the bullshit was gay men coming out and living life. When men started seeing the vast array of masculinity in that community, it allowed new discourse about what masculinity is, outside of the old patriarchal paradigm.

      You started seeing more men embrace their self and express it fully. The discussion about being free to express emotions, to be a nuturing man, to be gentle and kind and open with everyone started becoming a possibility instead of a weakness. And nobody had to give up anything to have that freedom. It’s still perfectly fine to be traditionally masculine if that’s who you are, as long as you aren’t trying to define others.

      From there, we all got to expand our personal definition of masculine for ourselves. And, as we move into a paradigm where everyone can just be who they are, without any need to label themselves if they don’t want to, we will be able to pick and choose even more. We can explore the fullness of human experience in a way I don’t think has ever been possible. And that is largely thanks to our trans and non binary friends and neighbors stepping up and living their lives without apology.

      Hell, if you ask me, the first step was back with the hippies and their long hair. Then the metalheads picking up that baton and running with it through the eighties until that one barrier to looking like a man was gone and likely gone for good. Those guys at the end of the boomer generation looking to escape the trap patriarchy had set for them took the first public step by growing their hair out and still being men, being comfortable with it.

      It takes time to shift perceptions. It takes people at the edges being willing to step forward and be the change.

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    This gives a very specific kind of trans woman vibe and I don’t think I like it. I think it’s the “angry masculine mannerisms” that is bothering me. Masc / butch trans women exist too, and it feels weird to imply only men get angry. This seems to simplify and put into a box what being a trans woman is.

    Edit: also HRT affects everyone differently and to act like it makes everyone cute and small and feminine is misleading. Being trans is exhausting sometimes and takes a lot of work, and some may never fit this description regardless of how hard they try.

    Edit 2: I’m a trans woman myself and I’m nearly 99% sure OP is just a troll at this point. If not, she’s seriously making herself look like a moron.

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    So, like, I literally don’t care if someone identifies as whatever gender. You do you.

    Just don’t tell me how to do me.

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    You know, I fully support converting everyone into fem- and or tomboys, but this is really more of a shitpost than a meme and I hope you can see why it’s not exactly received well in c/memes

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    Ability to wear adorable clothes

    I already do that. No reason for transitioning.

    Fuck social norms.

    Fuck the police.

    And fuck you.

    aggressively flings fluffy scarf over the shoulder

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      I never understood how people get so stuck in-denial, I mean ask yourself, is there really something so wrong with being a girl. Really what is so bad abut that to you that you’ll intentionally and repeatedly deny who you are to yourself? I wish you luck sis and I hope you can come out to yourself and be happy one day.

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            You keep trying to push a narrative, but it just isn’t working.

            Nobody is falling for your crap.

            I’d ask you to go back to Reddit, but Lemmy has this neat feature to block trolls.

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        Sure, you can jump gender if you feel like it, but you’re replying to a person who transcended those silly boundaries without immediately constraining themselves to a different one. I suspect they are next level happy.

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          They are constraining themselves to a gender though, they’re stuck in the idea that they have to be a man because they were born male. That’s not true though, people can be a woman regardless of what they were born as. They say they’re happy now but they would be so much happier if they stopped limiting themselves and realized they can live comfortably as a woman.

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            I don’t know why am I trying to get to you, but you’re figuratively convincing an ambidextrous person to force themselves being a leftie.

            Being stuck in the wrong box must be awful, but not everyone likes being constrained to boxes.

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          This person is clearly in-denial, I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t be anything, it’s just obvious they aren’t entirely cis if you catch my drift.

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              Don’t compare cracking someone’s egg to conversion therapy, they are not the same, cracking people’s eggs saves lives, it frees them from denial and allows them to be happy as their authentic self. Conversion therapy tries to force people deeper into denial. This is such a rotten and transphobic argument.

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                You are not the arbiter of who is or is not trans. You are free to help someone come to the realization that they may be trans, but do not invalidate their identity in the process.

                Gender expression is a spectrum, and just because someone isn’t 100% gender conforming doesn’t automatically make them trans.

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                  It is not invalidating their identity it is helping discover who they really are, helping them come out of the egg and break the denial that prevents them from being their most legitimate selves.

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                right its so much different when its your opinion you are attempting to bend people to instead of one you disagree with

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                  Conversion therapy is transphobia, transphobia isn’t an opinion, calling transphobia an opinion is like calling arsenic a flavor. I’m not trying to bend anyone to anything, I’m just pointing out that they’re dressing like a girl, and acting like a girl, put two and two together and you can see where that’s going. Is this really that hard for people to understand?

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                Not everyone is trans, homesicle. If I take a long hard look at my gender and decide that I’m happier as the man I was born than as a woman, that’s my business. Trying to force me into a female body would make me just as miserable as your male one was for you.

                Also I couldn’t help but notice that you seem to conflate anger as a concept with masculinity.

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            In another comment you clearly stated that femboys are not the same thing as trans.

            And now you want to push the transfem label onto a non-afab person just because they admit to wear gender-non-conforming clothes?

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              No I said we aren’t femboys, we are women. If someone claims to be a boy and dresses fem it’s clear they aren’t entirely cis, if they were such act would give them unbelievable gender dysphoria and discomfort.

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                You just singlehandedly invalidated the gender identity of every cis drag queen. That’s impressive.

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                This is a meme about trans women, please don’t conflate us with femboys.

                Sounds for me like:

                “femboys exist, but we are not the same”; not “femboys do not exist. They’re just in denial”

                (and I do agree with the first; not with the second)

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    This reads as casually sexist towards both men and women. Agression? Luscious hair? This isn’t really a meme, this is just “man bad, (idealised) woman good”, that’s neither funny nor relatable

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    Man it feels good to see this agenda pushing zealot get what she deserves. Let any right-winged individual see that the left doesn’t in fact want to “make everyone gay”, but to let them be themselves