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I bought a used 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 for $25k. 30k miles. I know its still not cheap, but the ask the batteries have a 100k+ warranty.
77kW 220-280 miles at 100% (though I rarely go beyond 90% for battery life). 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, all wheel drive, CCS charger with NACS adapters available. Tesla chargers max at 96kW just fyi, idk why. But a lot of quick chargers work better, there’s 2 65xkW, 4x180kW near me. There’s a 4x375kW and a 4x400kW on a regular distance trip I take. Those are stupid fast charging.
A standard 120v is 1.4kW max, and it works out to about 10%/11hrs. A 240v is much better (i can’t remember maybe its like 10kW) charges fully in about 8 hours.
Kia and Hyundai are awesome EVs. I’ve heard good things about Subaru’s. The Chevy Bolt I’ve heard less good about. Toyota’s EVs are disappointing. Avoid Polestar - they aren’t allowed to sell in the US anymore anyway, but the car has a fancy interior and is fun to drive until the AC stops working. And it’s got weird software license gates for hardware it has.
Also don’t find reasons to funnel money to Musk.
240V can vary depending on the amperage and what the individual charger can handle. Power = Voltage x Current. I ran a 60A line, but for continuous loads you can only do 80%, so I get 240V x 48A which is about 11.5kW. There are always losses, so 10ish is a fair guess for real world time expectations.
As a Bolt EUV owner, I’m very envious of your charge speeds on the road, even though I wouldn’t make much use of it.
I’ve had a polestar for a couple years now, and it’s by far my favorite vehicle. It has quirks, but most I can get past. I also have a kia EV and I fucking hate it. It forces you to get handheld through everything and it has some really dumb software choices. Everything I hate about then could be changed with a software update to give options, but I don’t foresee that happening ever.
It was really fun, don’t get me wrong. I miss the small amount of extra power it had. The shifter was cool.
But the tire sensors kept going off, and the AC just dying and requiring me to do a fancy start sequence to get it going again was just impractical. Also it didn’t have smart cruise control, barely any storage space, max charge was like 210 miles, and the backup camera was almost useless.
That was a 2023 polestar 2, so i cant speak for other models or newer ones.
2027 Chevy Bolt driver here 👋. Urban car-dependent locale unfortunately.
Freaking love the Bolt. Got some good incentives and bought new, which felt sorta foolish at the time. Never ever bought new before. (But there were no used models under like 100,000 miles around us, and they were old ones with slow charging.)
It is a touch smaller than our CR-V, but they vastly improved this model and I enjoy it a lot. The LT was quite affordable, and I don’t ask for much luxury. (IMHO my Honda Element was the best car ever.)
There’s also third party module to get Android auto to work, I’m considering that.
I can say one thing though, even though having a payment sucks, I feel vindicated every time I drive by $6 gas.
I really like my '23 Bolt EUV. I bought it when it was new, and it’s been perfectly reliable ever since. Like you, it was the first time I ever bought new. I’ve got no regrets!
I recently heard that Honda might be bringing the Element back in a few years. I hope it’s true. I really wanted an Element when they were still in production, but couldn’t afford one back then
They keep teasing it over and over. AGH. It kills me! Like every year a new bunch of articles pop up to generate clicks. I can never tell when it’s real! Lol
And I thought I was CRAZY for thinking “Could I EV convert it?” (Could fix stuff with YouTube. Not a mechanic.)
Well, now I see converting cars becoming a big thing. But sadly I screwed up the whole engine by snapping a 10mm gooseneck bolt deep in some crevice deep down in there, and it was leaking oil, and I had to sell it for scrap because we needed to get to work. Tragic. I got almost 200,000 miles out of it. :( :(
…at least now I know how a new very simple way to sabotage a vehicle hardcore in a way no mechanic or machinist would dare bother with it. (Ask me how I know Lol)
Maybe that Element EV will be a thing. I know EVs like to chase high efficiency / low drag but they need to not be afraid to be boxy for the right audience instead of jelly beans! XD
Haha well it didn’t have much of a reputation for efficiency, did it? I heard it would come back as a hybrid though, which might be cool if they can pull it off without sacrificing too much interior space.
Hehehehe I DO get that vindication.
For 240V most people use a dryer outlet which is 30 amps. 30A x 240V = 7.2kW before resistance and conversion losses, etc. Use a 50 amp circuit and outlet and you can achieve 12kW with the same stipulations.
Subaru and Toyota’s EVs are the same cars with mild restyles, both should be similar mechanically and reliability wise. The Uncharted is definitely the nicest of the bunch in my mind, though.
I like the look of the Slate truck, but ai fear it is becoming vaporware.
Always was.
The idea is cool but 20k for a truck without paint and shitty capabilities is DOA.
But why pay all that money for a truck when you can get a used EV for half the price that has many luxuries like electric windows and back seats.
But why pay all that money for a truck when you can
… Because of Modularity. If the rich don’t fuck it up for us, big if, then small time after market companies will flourish selling their mods.
I can’t remember the name of the principle. But my pal explained it to me. It’s almost impossible for small business to compete with production of scale. So one way to survive is to work find a way to add an extra 20% of hand done work machines can’t do to the product. Add a proverbial “cherry on the top” to your business. You let the mass producers do 80% of the work (Slate); Then you add your 20% custom made finish to make the final product.
I like the example of cheap drinking glasses and Podstakannik. But a more familiar example would be painting miniatures for money.
I wish the Ford lightning hadn’t gotten axed. You can get them cheap now, but good luck with parts
But new they were like 80k and you then have to drive a massive hideous truck. Why would anyone do that?
Who buys new? I don’t want to eat the depreciation just to get new and shiny
…because you use one for work and gas is expensive when your driving all across the metroplex?
Well if you compare used for used 40k is still way too much for any truck. People who need a work vehicle will buy a van. Massive pickup trucks are for man babies who would rather crush toddlers than have people question their sexuality.
You know, the “just buy a work van” is such a straw man argument. People can’t afford to own two vehicles, and they sure as shit don’t want to try driving around a work van with shitty suspension as a daily driver. Pull up to dinner in something that looks like it should say “Free Candy” on the side.
While I don’t disagree that many people drive trucks that have no reason to be driving them (looking at Dodge Ram owners with flags flying off the back of them) believe or not some people can only afford to own one vehicle and want something that works for them and is comfortable.
If I didn’t have the job I did, believe me, I wouldn’t be driving something that only gets 17 mpg. Got sent out of town and the rental place hooked me up with a Dodge Charger. Holy crap I forgot what it was like to not have to swing out to make a U-turn and not have trouble finding a parking space. Only problem is, you can’t throw a ladder and a pack out in the back of a car, and you can’t pull a 7500 lb scissor lift on a trailer when you need to.
Just because you’d be embarrassed to drive one because of your ego doesn’t stop a van from being the best, safest option.
No, because poor people won’t pay in advance for a car that is “coming next year” (
2021,2022,2023,2024,2025,2026, 2027…?)They said it’s coming out on 2028 this time, so maybe this time instead of “next year” it would be “2 years later”.
Does that mean it’s 50% more likely or less likely to come out next decade?
Less, if they give it another 3 years (“in the next 5 years”), it’s at fusion reactor level, so basically not in your lifetime.
We think your great great grandhybrids are gonna love it
I visited a friend in australia who can finally afford a brand new car on a funeral assistant’s wage because of how cheap chinese EVs are. Even has in-seat massagers.
Those new idiot sized cars surely are good for funeral business
Some chinese EV actually come in fun size. Like Geely EX2 and Wuling Binguo, it’s about the size of Ford Fiesta but round, and BYD Seal is a midsized sedan similarly to the Accord. Unfortunately, most EV tend to be SUV for some reason, so the fault is not solely on Chinese EV.
Yeah it’s not just Chinese EVs, just almost all that are on the streets
And they’re not like SUVs, but more like oversized hatchbacks
Compact SUV, i guess. It’s still too big for my liking. There’s also a lot of jeep-type EV (iCar) on the road now.
The subcompact SUVs aka crossovers are essentially lifted hatchbacks. I prefer those because they have the same compact size but with better ground clearance.
Wuling Binguo
Surely that can’t be a real name
I like the massive USB port at the front
It always takes three tries to connect it into charge.
Don’t ever by a brand new car that is fresh of the production line. That is the biggest decrease of value you could do with your money.
If you absolutely have to own a shiny new thing then buy yourself a car that is 6-12 months old. You will get the same “new car feeling” but you will save a lot of money.
Boomer advice. You’ll save $3000 and not have the original factory warranty and you’ll still have to pay for cpo.
OK non-boomer
Yeah, the mark down on used cars in the US now just isn’t worth it. I looked at cars recently and a 2 year old car with 45k+ miles was like 4k below sticker for a new one across the street. And you didn’t get to pick your color or add accessories you took what they had.
Isn’t the mark down on used EVs (not ICE) a lot more?
These were hybrids. I think EVs used to have higher markdown because of battery life concerns, but batteries have proven to have better lifespans than expected. So I don’t know how true that is now.
You used to save 30% plus. You still can on lease returns sometimes and the warranty should continue until the mileage or time runs out.
There are still some deals out there, but yeah a 1 year old car is going to be either too expensive or risky for mechanical or some other weird reason.
New cars are also full of surveillance. My advice is to stick with 20 year old cars that aren’t full of bullshit and touch screens.
If you can find a car that is 6-12 months old, sure. Assuming it wasn’t a rental in a previous life. Or a lemon returned by its previous owner due to massive issues.
Most people who buy new cars keep them for a relatively long time. And during that time they require minimal maintenance.
The “biggest decrease of value” assumes that, to you, the value of the car is determined by what you could sell it for. But that’s not the case. To you, the value of the car is what you spent on it. You then amortize that value of the car over the years you operate it. The only person who can tell you whether you got out of a car what you paid for it is you.
The “biggest decrease of value” assumes that, to you, the value of the car is determined by what you could sell it for. But that’s not the case. To you, the value of the car is what you spent on it. You then amortize that value of the car over the years you operate it.
This. I just was able to buy my first ever “new” new car after years of every “new” car being at minimum 10 years old. I’ve got an '06 Forester with nearly 200k miles on it, and I’m hoping this new one will last as long (but I kind of doubt it).
Regardless, I’m not leasing, not planning on selling in 5 years. To me, the peace of mind of a new car warranty is worth it and it gets way better mileage than the old Forester.
Don’t buy a new car if you value your money.
Whatever you think will be covered by warranty, won’t be, or you will need to fight them to the end to get it, then the mechanics will hate you because they hate warranty work, they will do a shit job because they’re paid way less than normal work.
And you have no idea what glaring issues that car has because it’s not existed long enough for people to know and post online.
Don’t get a new fucking car please for the love of god, save yourself the headache.
You see, Europeans cannot have the Cybertruck. Americans cannot have the R5. I can live with that, but then, I am European.
25k€. It’s insane to me how expensive European EVs are. How did they fuck this up so badly?
They also won’t sell it in Australia
Europe’s loss really though, euro cars sell well here but since you refuse to sell us the EV versions, China is already taking over and Euro cars are already on the back foot, I don’t think they’ll ever gain the marketshare they had either.
I am not Renault. I have no idea why they are not selling it in the US or Australia. It is very well possible that they already have given up Australia against the Chinese. The “Made in Europe” argument certainly has less weight there than in Europe. Like I said, I am not sitting in the strategy meetings of Renault but if I had to guess they are choosing their retreat battles already.
I choose to believe you are Renault’s corporate personhood! (obviously you’re not)
Also you’d be surprised how much weight ‘made in europe’ carries still.
Renault had seemingly given up on hatchbacks for the Aussie market, it feels like only a few years ago the Megane and Clio were all over our roads.
I can’t particularly blame them, though. We have something like ~5% of the population of Europe in about the same landmass, our regulations (ADRs) quite onerous, we drive on the other side of the road compared to continental Europe, and the logistical costs of sending a finished vehicle from Europe to Oceania makes it quite difficult to compete economically against Chinese, Korean and Japanese brands.
I say this as someone heartbroken, who absolutely adores the designs of European marques like Peugeot, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Abarth and Citroen - they are all undeniably cool.
I’m your defense you drive on the same side as the UK which does have an R5, you’d think selling more of them would reduce the UK specific tooling cost per car. The driving upside down bit is probably trickier, I’ll concede that.
Damn, I wish the Canadian market wasn’t tied to the US
Removed by mod
X.I.T.T. (you know the pronunciation)
Nazi ?
Surprisingly, yes! English is a weird language!
Was anyone driving that car or was it just a remote controlled shell with compressed air thrusters?
It was a programmed flight. No one in the car, no one actively controlling it. Probably a handful of people monitoring different things with a big red kill switch.
The inside of that car was the smallest battery that would work, a compressed gas can or two, and bare metal. No seats, no wheel, no screen.
If someone had been in that car, and they were not in a full on stunt driver safety suit and harness, pretty good chance they’d be seriously injured, possibly paralyzed, possibly having an induced heart attack, possibly passed out / unconscious.
Sure you can make the car itself do that… but a human meatbag inside a car doing that? Much less a typically overweight/obese average American driver?
Thats a lot of extreme g forces in violently rapidly changing axes and directions.
I wonder if Elon will provide the g suit and pilot g force conditioning regimen…
(obviously he will not)
Remote control. Imagine the shitshow if there was someone there and the Cybertruck-reveal level of preparedness played out on live broadcast.
Thought so. Let’s see Elon showcase this himself, on an actual road.
Thing probably weighed a few hundred pounds. Putting a person in it would probably kill the thrust to weight and balance… So yeah let’s see Elon test it!
Did you mean “an actual cliff on a very windy day during a thunderstorm while a pack of seagulls crashes into his windshield”?
(Edit: Sorry Seagulls, but it was for a good cause!)
What are you talking about? SpaceX’s COPVs are famously reliable! Nothing could possibly go wrong!
Well, Leon Hitler will remotely shut the pile of bolts down on you while in mid-flight.
oh great a flying car, can’t wait for an “update” at the zenith to shut everything down, then smash itself in the ground while I’m in it. It will explode into flames, and I’ll try to climb out but oh no! The door won’t open.
Fantastic
I’ll wait until analog buttons return and perhaps even update control. What year will it be before the car remembers my custom settings? 2050? Can we do this by 2050?
p.s. somebody please make a simple car, electric, electric hybrid, and gasoline, that has easy repair access and interchangeable batteries. Remove the fucking TV and return to buttons so you don’t have to scan a screen while driving. A basic generic car that you can upgrade if you’d like. Something you can drive to death, like the classic Honda Civic of yore.
There’s some reason nobody is making is car, because people want it… is it governmental regulation? I don’t know
They make those cars. But in Melonski land it was made Illegal to sell them because “China scawwy, god bless gunland”.
I don’t honestly think the US has the technical ability anymore. The US doesn’t really make much and hasn’t since the seventies. That’s a long time. How much of a Ford is actually made in the US? Shoot, how much is designed in the US?
Best they could do would be buy the parts, maybe make the frame, paint it and assemble. Don’t make batteries, don’t make screens, or chips, or leds or much of nothing.
Alas we are doomed. There was the Nissan leaf 15 years ago but they canceled it because no one bought them
Good because [email protected]
so we’re just walking to and from work for 16 hours a day now?
No, you walk 10 minutes to the bus stop, then wait 20 minutes for the bus to come, then an hour for it to go around to the other stops and get to your destination, then work 8 hours, then oops, buses don’t run as much after 5, so now you wait 50 minutes for the bus because it comes hourly and you get off at 5, then ride another 30 minutes, then walk back in 15 (because you are slower and tired.)
Or drive your car each way 15 minutes.
my work is an hour away, used to be two hours one way.
I live in a rural area that doesn’t have public transit infrastructure. the closest bus stop is an hour away.
did you actually try to solve the problem or are you just parroting someone else’s opinion?
I was saying that even being close to work, mass transit is a huge time investment.
It’s about sending a message.
You could also tell [email protected] to just go out to eat and eat big mac because it’s faster. Go on. Do it.
The thing is used EVs are so affordable that it’s basically impossible for western companies to make something cheap enough to compete. The real answer is to allow Chinese EVs to be sold in the US.
That’s true until enough people wise up to the fact that a 3 year old used EV is nowhere near as worthless as a 3 year old used iPhone. That misunderstanding is what’s keeping demand so low, which is why the price is so low. I shouldn’t have been able to sell my 2016 RAV4 with 70k miles for $14k and buy a 2022 Bolt EUV with 50k miles for $19k earlier this year.
Chinese EVs won’t be sold in the US any time soon. They are too big of a threat to American automakers, and the lust for profit growth will prevent any reasonable attempt at competing. Also, US infrastructure is so car-dependent that offshoring such a massive amount of car manufacturing would become a threat to national security. There’s a big concern that by allowing Chinese EVs here, we would be handing the world to China; the uncomfortable truth is that we don’t really have anything to offer to China these days. They’ve already won, and we’re all just going through the motions of playing the final couple of rounds. They’ve dominated domestic infrastructure, renewable energy tech, battery tech, global soft power, etc. Next will be water purification, space exploration, and nuclear fusion. China invested in themselves and their future, and it’s finally paying off.
Idk what the world looks like ten years from now in 2036, but I know that China will be leaps and bounds ahead of the US in pretty much every metric. Mostly because we’ve pissed away the past ten years being run by a fascist toddler, and walking back the fascist sprinting of the fascist toddler, and we’ll be spending the next ten years attempting to convince former friends and allies that the fascist toddler is behind us and we won’t do that again so please let’s make deals again that could theoretically be nuked by another fascist toddler. Meanwhile, China just keeps innovating and sharing.
Yeah right now buying a used EV is easily the best value you can get when buying a car. And I agree that eventually people will wise up, but any time you’re waiting on the American consumer to wise up, you’re going to be waiting for quite a while.
I’d expect in 10 years either half of all car sales are electric or the government has gone full isolationist and banned all ev sales. Could go either way.
I hate that that’s truly an uncertainty. Dipshits could sincerely celebrate freedom while banning a reasonable option, and they wouldn’t see any contradiction. “We want small government but also big daddy government needs to do prohibition for the things I don’t want.”
Here’s the thing everyone seems to be forgetting. Once a motorized vehicle leaves the ground under powered flight it is no longer under DOT’s domain it is now under FAA’s domain. FAA licenses are way harder to get and way easier to lose. They also require annual tests to keep. This is why flying cars are a non starter, because to pilot them you need a general aviation license.
There are exceptions but it’s always in the ultralight or experimental categories. A release of this car will fit neither of those categories.
They also require annual tests to keep
No they don’t. Good for life, although I do need to do a flight review every 24 months
Flight reviews are pretty chill, juat do a flight with an instructor (or anyone else certified to sign off on it). We should require these for drivers too on license renewal
Even funnier, you’re generally not allowed to land on roads so once you take off you have a problem with that flying car. Debris flying around will also be fun.
What will be even more fun is getting eviscerated by an exploding pressurized gas tank they use to do that shit, in the tiniest crash known to man.
*accidentally bumps stray shopping cart in parking lot*
Not to mention insurance.
Also, don’t pilots need to take annual physicals?
Yeah this car will never be for sale. There will be the $50,000 version which has none of the compressed air loaded into it, and a tuned up version with some boost for the 0-60. The flying car they showed yesterday was the only one that will ever do that, because it was a literal stunt for the shareholders.
From my memory, it’s just a $50k reservation, and if that’s the case, it’s going to cost a lot more than that in actuality.
I think you’re correct
Note that even the lowest even described model (50k just to reserve a spot for unspecified price and based on Tesla historically, unknown delivery date) there are issues.
They claim the active down force fan will be on that, but I hear that even on tracks they frequently aren’t allowed. It’s not likely to be a street legal thing, given what happens with road debris in such a scenario.
To be fair, with teslas track record we’d be lucky if a production “flying” car like this could achieve more air time than my Subaru when I go ditch banging 😂
