I’m envious of the way the French protest their government. They’re literally setting things on fire because their schools aren’t adequate. Because the government tried to raise the retirement age. Because their politicians are shitbags.
I think the biggest obstacle to organizing in the US is the sheer distance. It takes 40 solid hours of driving to get from one side to the other. That’s not counting any breaks. France takes about 14 hours. Doable in a day or so if you push it.
Anyway, I’d sign up for a Revolution if there was a serious contender.
Choosing lesser evil is not cause of problem. Not choosing anything instead of lesser evil is a key problem. The time to activate is before it comes down to final choice. Not voting, means all of your concerns are irrelevant, because you are unlikely to vote next time, according to establishment algorithms.
The Bernie and Kamala experiences suggest otherwise. They will dictate as they wish.
Time to vote harder for Bernie was when it was relevant. In November, turning out for HRC over Trump would have prevented the worst of oligarchist supremacist tax cuts and covid response. Kamala had no primary, but no Epstein mossad kompromat on her wouldn’t have forced submission to Israel for Iran war, and yet more oligarchist tax cuts, and a collapsing financial overextension, wouldn’t have happened.
The lesser subhuman demonic piece of shit is still better for you, and most importantly, not voting means its easy to keep you not voting, and they know you aren’t voting. That DNC gets paid to lose intentionally for the best Israel outcome, even then doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote, and vote for them. Politics is a continuous process you get to be involved in. Election day abstention is the complete opposite of any flex.
What experiences?? You mean the lack of?
Nice try, DNC.
The problem in the U.S. is, unfortunately, that everybody is too comfy and they’re just hoping somebody else does it. A person could go and end a prominent politician while shouting “THIS IS THE REVOLUTION! TO ARMS, FELLOW AMERICANS!,” and everybody else would just watch the fallout on TV.
I think it has more to do with being a police state that imprisons more people per capita than any other nation on the globe. Peaceful protesting is too easy to ignore, and we all know the cops would just love a good excuse to beat our asses before locking us up for as long as they can find an excuse to.
The French retirement age is a bit of a problem.
France partly has a pay as you go system, meaning current working people are paying the pensions of retired people.
France also has an aging population, so there will be fewer people paying for more people. And that’s a problem, and you can really only solve it by increasing income, decreasing spending, or having fewer retired people (and raising the age is the most ethical way to do that).
You can’t do nothing and expect a pay-as-you-go system to keep working with an aging population.
The average employee is less and less compensated for the ever increasing productivity of his work. Fix that and we can see and discuss if a pay-as-you-go system really doesn’t work amymore.
For the moment the rich hoard more and more while claiming the productivity isn’t increasing and we have to cut back everything that benefits the majortiy for the sake of even higher profits.
It’s really only an issue because governments refuse to tax the rich.
Governments taxing the rich would be like Hanna Montana taxing Miley Cyrus. Taxes have always gone the other way around sucking from the poor towards the powerful.
Hey, as much as I get your point about distance, I don’t think it’s the whole story. I think there is one of the most powerful history and tradition of revolt and demonstration in the US. I think the difference has something to do with the esthetics of it. In France, revolt, fire and police violence are associated with beauty. I’ll leave that here.
The distance thing is a real issue. Look at a list of countries by size and three of the top five all have massive long-standing authoritarianism issues.
I guess Canada doesn’t, but what’s the other one?
Not Antarctica.
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It is it is, that’s the whole point of municipalism and things like bioregionalist anarchism. But there are stronger factors to mobilizing. Imagine a synchronized mob of 50 persons in each county. Also, France is a country built as a basic centralized system where all roads of transportation and communication lead to Paris. So, yeah, sure, but also absolutely not.
What would be our chief demand(s)?
- No nazis
- No kings
- More gock
Healthcare right?
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No war, stop all aid to Israel
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Abolish ICE
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Medicare for all
Seems like a reasonable start.
No genocide, no proxy wars, no funding separitists, mercenaries, coups.
No election interference at home or abroad.
End all embargoes, release political prisoners, stop meddling in the Caribbean, LatAm, Asia, everywhere.
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No one want to become first victim or sacrifice voluntarily , shocking.
Every permutation of LateStageCapitalism I’ve ever seen acts like a gop honeypot to keep people from voting.
LSC will also ban you for telling people that they are a honeypot to get people to stop voting.
I wear my ban from that shitstain sub with beaming pride.
LateStageCapitalism on Lemmy is almost assuredly exactly that. It is run by a single crybaby mod (Godless Commie) that non-stop espouses quitter bullshit and deletes comments and bans anyone that disagrees with his shitstain opinions. No one should be visiting that sub. If it isn’t a honeypot, it may as well be.
It’s INTERNATIONAL. It’s our world-wide economy, which is directed by investment companies and their holdings all around the world.
If you killed everybody in the White House tomorrow, absolutely nothing would change (other than an increase in security elsewhere). At most, you’d delay business by a few weeks.
It’s not one country, it’s not one person, it’s not one company, it’s not one family.
This isn’t France with a couple million people and a simple paper bureaucracy, muskets, and cannons. Grow up
The biggest obstacle is the American people. Lol y’all are a bunch of coddled little girls. Way too many Americans, including left wing ones, fall for the American exceptionalism myth hook line and sinker. The fact that anyone with a head on their shoulders thinks there is going to be a return to the status quo after Trump is very very cute!
It’s crazy how you are all just watching your democratic devolve into chaos, poverty, and conflict with the rest of the world and you just… Make communist memes about it on social media… Protest on Saturdays… Act like you are the only country where it’s expensive to live and there are large distances…
Maybe stop being such little bitches!
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Fairy creek, actually
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Yeah are you familiar with the fairy creek protest, at all? Lol. Like I’m not throwing stones in glass houses, bud. I’m ready to die for my nation defending it against American aggression, should it come to that.
Nah, dont try to pass the buck back when called out on sloth and apathy.
Asking for a friend, how does one lead a revolution? I’ve always assumed it was more about the universe lining up, right place/right time sort of thing and someone/someone’s are just there at the time, not that anyone really ever set out to “lead the revolution” as a job
Same. If there was a pipeline I’d surely be in it by now.
I can’t answer, but I can tell you that if your revolutionary group is online (Discord, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp), you already have a watcher in your midst.
They can’t watch everywhere, but bots can, and the owners of these companies are certainly on the lookout for certain words and phrases. It’s not even vaguely secure.
Given that, I don’t think that revolutionary groups like the Black Panthers, Minutemen, et al are a viable option today. Whatever your online group is, it must be able to withstand discovery and observation. Only small cells with in-person meetings can avoid detection. Unions, churches, and organizations are all virtually public.
People ask “why aren’t they doing anything”, meanwhile there are hundreds of arrests all over the country with regularity. They’re getting arrested shortly after organizing… and the full extent is not going to be openly reported. So you see hints here and there about “plots” with a mention of “informer” at best. (likely the company that was used to communicate).
So, in my opinion, all that’s left is spontaneous eruption. It could be someone setting themselves on fire, an assassination, war, food shortage, economic collapse, and so on. It won’t be because it was lead by a Robert the Bruce
I think we can conclude the French are absolutely not “doing it right” because then they wouldn’t have a shit country. They have just been doing this for fun since the beginning.
What, exactly, makes France “a shit country”?
Lmao
Ever been to Paris? It is the smell…
There’s this hole thing that they’re protesting about right now.
I need anti-voting leftists to understand that to the eyes of average civilians they’re basically rapture people
Anti voting leftists are a tool of the Right.
Anyone that doesn’t vote is at the bottom of the societal ladder, as far as I’m concerned. Not even on the ladder. In the gutter getting peed on by stray cats. They’re trash.
Whole bunch of pussy ass accelerationists on this platform. I enjoy calling out their pussy ass behavior.
Vote or die.
And I suggest voting for a candidate that isn’t guaranteed to lose if you want anything other than fascism to happen.
Ranked choice voting makes it easier to vote for the best candidate AND one that won’t lose, if two states can do it so can more.
But I’d rather sit around and critique the system while allowing the candidate that is objectively worse to win. It makes me feel superior as I sniff my own farts.
The distance is for sure a thing, but I believe it’s also a huge reason we dont have universal healthcare.
If I didn’t need a job to help subsidize my outrageously expensive health insurance that doesn’t cover shit, i’d be able to be more motley.
That said, at this point i’m about to go fucking French regardless
Americans don’t protest like that because they hate each other. It’s not complicated. It’s a cultural issue where excuses are abundant.
And lazy/entitled.
