• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    It’s indeed quite the mix joingoist delusions of grandeur making the average American think they as individuals are superior to those from other countries whilst not actually having much in the way of values, breadth of knowledge, education or wisdom.

    Reminds me how the other day I was watching a Documentary about the war in Afghanistan and at one point there was this American soldier (possibly a Lieutenant) trying to convince a bunch of locals including some elders of something or other and even I (who am Portuguese) could recognize that this guy in his mid/late 20s was totally missing the social clues and natural social structure of the place, for example and not giving the face-saving “respect” to the elders of that culture even if you’re in a position of strength - go to a place thinking you’re a superior person with a superior culture and superior ways and don’t be surprised if the locals seem to “respect” your strength in your face whilst giving you the run-around if they can get away with it and undermining you behind your back.

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      2 months ago

      I think an Antropologist said it something as “the barbarian is the one who belives in the existance of barbarism.”

  • quakki@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    Let’s get real, Iran is, all in all, just the better, more sophisticated and moral/progressive country. tbh i would prefer to live there if it wasnt for the US carpet bombing the shit out of civilan infrastructure :D

  • Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Still the only nation to have nuked cities.

    Thank goodness it was the good guys who did it and the bad guys have never done it. It’d be horrific if the bad guys did it.

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        2 months ago

        It just struck me. Germany invented missiles just before Japan sent their boys on suicide runs as living missiles. The nazi scientists in the US watching Japan throw so many people away must have felt pretty self satisfied

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        2 months ago

        You are aware the nukes were dropped on Japan, not Germany, right? Like at that time Germany was already defeated.

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          Yeah the Japanese weren’t exactly doing great things at the time but their failure to offer a complete and immediate surrender following the collapse of the Nazi regime did not and could never justify the two most horrific, apocalyptic single attacks ever committed against a civilian population. The US leaders did it because they could, and because they wanted to show off their new toy.

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    2 months ago

    🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 acts in 🇮🇷 🇮🇷 🇮🇷 like 🇷🇺 🪆 🇷🇺 acts in 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦.

  • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I’ll put on my cynical hat, and assume Iran isn’t a perfect humanitarian state.

    They are fighting a different war, they know if the US gets the slightest amount of public support it’ll be Iraq/Afghanistan all over again, while the US is bombing Iran, Iran is fighting the propaganda war, and they are doing amazing.

    From the lego videos, to only hitting targets the US public don’t care/can’t complain. Like military bases, Amazon Data centers…

    They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.

    Trump is 100% losing this war.

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      They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.

      Chuck and Hakeem criticisms of the war is that it is not being run competently enough, when Trump had a stopped-clock-moment and signed the first peace deal, they and the rest of BlueMaga were saying TACO Trump.

      I have no faith a Gavin Newsom presidency stops the war.

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        2 months ago

        Americans may believe that Democrats will end the war, but I assure you Iranians are under no such delusions. This is not Trump’s war or Netanyahu’s war, it is the Pentagon’s war. Failure to realize this is cope.

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      Iran is not perfect, but they do have very strong convictions and their own conception of what it means to be a humanitarian state.

      Iran never developed or used chemical weapons against Iraq, even when Iraq used it against them. Producing chemical weapons is easy and Iran could have easily done it hade they wanted to.

      In the same vein, Iran could have had nuclear weapons had they not decided to ban weapons of mass destruction.

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        2 months ago

        Throwing Kurdish youth activists out of windows is a pretty broad definition of not perfect humanitarianism.

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    2 months ago

    Who are the real barbarians?

    Uh…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

    Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

    trump and Iran are both evil, but Iran isn’t ran by idiots. They understand the game.

    Like in most conflicts, both sides can be shitty. But Iran makes what trump is doing with ICE like nothing. They’re both evil and shouldn’t be in power, but Iran’s government has killed looooads more Iranians than trump.

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      I am not sure you want to go down this road, the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

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        the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

        The fuck are you talking about even?

        1. Why add a shit ton of countries?

        2. I’d still be surprised if they directly killed millions of children in all of the middle east. But even if they had, why wouldn’t you compare that to how many Irans government has killed in all those countries?

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      I am definitely not an expert on Iran, so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not, but I have to say the citations of that Wikipedia article ia full of citations from sources that have clear vested interest in the United State hegemony. This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

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        You don’t need to be an expert on Iran to know about the human right abuses lol

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        so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not

        In the time it took you to type that a rational adult could have just looked it up…

        You’re from .ml, I have zero idea what you would consider an acceptable source. And I’m not fucking playing that game where every time I link something you say it’s not good enough.

        This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

        You didn’t understand then

        You don’t understand now.

        I see no reason to believe my time would be more helpful than you’re teachers.

    • Ledivin@lemmy.world
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      Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

      US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered “US soil.”

      Do you expect a country defending itself against attack to travel around the world to attack instead of using those resources defensively?

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        They very much are not, at least not by default. That’s typically reserved for embassies and consulates. Many foreign bases remain under host nation control.

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        US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered “US soil.”

        You know they meant the US proper.

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      Sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

      Of course things are terrible inside Iran, especially for women. However. This is about each country’s military strategy.

      If you want to whataboutism into “but look at their human rights for their own people”, I will gladly send you here and there for a moment of pause and reflection.

      And yes Iran is strategecally far superior in the way they are playing this, but if you think that through, you will understand that Donny and Benji are providing a perfect external threat to Iran, bolstering the perceived need for a ‘protector’ in the from of the IRG.

      This zionist war is helping Iran to keep it’s status quo, rather than letting the people continue the beginnings of a groundswell movement which was beginning to take place right before the war.

      Your wiki article far from unbiased, and you might want to take into account who’s been interfering for over half a century tool.

      TLDR; don’t compare a theocracy vs a (kleptocracy + theocracy) and say one is better than the other. Go print a newspaper in Jerusalem with FREE PALESTINE as the headline, or go walk around freely as a hispanic looking person in any democratic state in the US.

    • kingshrubb@lemmy.mlOP
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      I wonder what Iran would be like if it still had its democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated a coup in 1953 that installed the Shah for the crime of nationalizing their oil industry.

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        Obviously way better…

        But that’s not whose been running Iran?

        Like, America would be a lot better off if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been elected too.

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          Right, but the people running Iran right now are the result of the US interfering explicitly to combat Iran’s socialization of their oil. Which reflexively led to the Iranian Revolution and the current Islamic Republic. The current regime would not exist without US interference. Al Gore and Bernie Sanders suffered domestic interference, not foreign.

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        We will never know and that’s not the reality of today. Useless to speculate about, the regime can convert to democracy and stop oppressing its citizens any day they want, but they won’t.

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          They tried that already. Where did it get them?

          If you think the US would lay off the attacks at all if Iran was more democratic, you’re delusional. The last thing the US wants is for it’s prospective resource colonies to be democratic. Because democracies tend to insist on getting a fair deal for their resources so they can reinvest the money on development. Far better to install a military dictatorship that depends on foreign backing and in turn suppresses the people into compliance, while the colonizer steals their resources. Which is exactly the system the US installed in Iran and kept around for decades.

          At this point, the US mostly just wants Iranians to suffer (assuming subjugating them again isn’t on the table), because they had the audacity to overthrow their puppet and they don’t want any other colonies getting any ideas.

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    2 months ago

    TBF, they literally don’t have the range to hit anything other than US military bases and ships.

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      They could hit schools in USA allied countries where the USA military bases are. They could explicitly target the schools in the USA military bases. They’re not doing that, we would be told if they did.

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        I get what your saying, but I doubt they could. The attacks on Israel have shown that they are not exactly using precision weapons.

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          Their attacks on Israel have shown they have exact opposite. High precision missiles targeting radar installations and military bases despite jamming.

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          Well, they could target a school in Qatar and end up hitting some residential area, but we’re not seeing that, it’s military bases that get hit and there’s better stuff to target than schools.

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            That is exactly what we saw during the ballistic missile and drone attack waves on Israel.

            Yes USA bad, but let’s not pretend Iran has the moral high ground, sponsoring proxies groups that mostly attack civilians has been their spiel for decades.

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      A very valid perspective, which brings us back to why did we start a war with a nation that can’t even strike us?