• Jiral@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    This slogan is obviously Nazi talk. The Nazi phrase in its entirety however would translate as “One Empire. One People. One Leader”. “Homeland” is close enough but they apparently shied away from going all the way down to “one leader”.

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      19 days ago

      they know who the leader is. it’s not the dipshit with the poorly-fitting suits. it’s heritage foundation.

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      19 days ago

      I think “homeland” is even worse. Although “one leader” demands absolute obedience and is bad enough, “one homeland” clearly spells out anti-immigrant ideology.

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        18 days ago

        Modern German Nazis also prefer to talk about homeland, I think Empire is not too catchy of a concept abymore even fir their target audience.

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    19 days ago

    To be American is to hate authority to the extent that we have amendments to the Constitution that guarantee us the right to own and use arms against our own government in case it becomes corrupt and works against the American people.

    We don’t have any heritage, or any one culture.

    You can come from anywhere and be an American as long as you hate authority and recognize that you have the right to violently oppose it

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      19 days ago

      This is just historical revisionism, the USA was founded on the idea of unlimited authority of rich white men over all other people. The 1st amendment was designed to protect the newly founded regime from competition by the british monarchy, not to protect the people from the regime.

      USA as a nation needs to go through the same reckoning with its past as germans. Currently it is culturally glorifying literal genocidal monsters and romanticizing its awful past, which leads to present perpetration of terrible crimes against humanity (see: Gaza, Iran, ICE).

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        19 days ago

        Idk why you’re being downvoted. The wealthy sold a lie to the masses that they too can come here and be free, with indentured servitude. So the wealthy could have their little feifdoms.

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          My ancestor: starved peasant with no rights, running from omnicidal invaders

          Me: comfy knowledge professional

          Yeah no, that’s dumb, the promise of a better life for one’s descendants was objectively fulfilled.

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            19 days ago

            Convenient to ignore the fact that many descendants of those who stayed behind in Europe are currently also living a much better life than their ancestors, potentially even better than yours due to a robust social safety net, better public transportation and urbanism, free or very cheap higher education, and universal healthcare.

            Human development, industrialization and imperial plunder improves quality of life in the empire, more news at 11.

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              19 days ago

              The family branches that stayed were slaughtered by Soviets and Nazis, so they aren’t around to compare. But, you tell me the trains are nice, so it washes out?

              Please, more “news” at 11!

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                So, what you’re ultimately saying is that the only benefit of the USA is being geographically far away from germany and thus its population not having to fight the nazis? That checks out. Good luck with not being killed and/or drowned in medical debt after a car accident

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                  No, what I’m saying is paying for insurance sure beats mass graves, gulags, gas chambers. You are dumber than rocks if you think Europe has been all sunshine and smiles.

                  Give literacy a chance, my ancestors managed after moving to America, I’m sure you can, too!

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                What parts of your family were “slaughtered” by the USSR? Way too often when people complain about socialist polities taking action against their families, it turns out that those families were plantation owners and the like, so claims like these shouldn’t be taken at face value.

                Also, it’s weird how you don’t mind the US being founded on literal genocide and slavery. You do realise that it involved actually slaughtering families as part of campaigns that German and Zionist nazis explicitly took inspiration from, right?

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            19 days ago

            And yet the people who stayed in Europe are doing far and away better than the people who left to come to the US to participate in the fascist genocide of indigenous people living here and the fascist enslavement of indigenous people they paid kidnappers for

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              19 days ago

              Single payer healthcare is a great comfort to the branches of my family who stayed, slaughtered by Russian and German guns. Europe is a continent just as soaked in blood and genocide as any other.

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                19 days ago

                You’re so right! All the poor people who stayed behind were slaughtered in Europe but the poor people who left got to live good lives in the USA!

                You’re ridiculous

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                  You’re so right! All the poor people who stayed behind were slaughtered in Europe but the poor people who left got to live good lives in the USA!

                  That is the story of my family. You’re deliberately the dullest knife in today’s drawer.

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            This is another foundational myth of the USA. Most of the people who moved from Europe to the USA were relatively privileged, particularly early on. Most of the people on the Mayflower were what we would now call middle class. Educated professionals and skilled tradesmen from England. The Puritans who didn’t have money just couldn’t afford to get out of England.

            There weren’t large amounts of poor immigrants until the 19th century, and the USA was deeply discriminatory against them when they came.

            Also, I think many black folks and indigenous people did not experience “an objectively better life for their descendants.”

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              As nice at it has been for the OG WASPs, still, coming to America as a poor peasant worked out way better than living in a village that was razed to the ground. Immigrating to America to have a better life for you and your family isn’t a myth, it’s the lived experience for hundreds of millions of people. You don’t have to make millions to have a decent life.

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                19 days ago

                village that was razed to the ground

                By the US military or CIA funded death squads in the vast majority of cases.

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                >Immigrating to America to have a better life for you and your family isn’t a myth, it’s the lived experience for hundreds of millions of people

                So is being deported for being brown, experiencing daily racism, and being frozen out of better paying jobs and positions.

                Is ‘immigrants are successful in America’ really the story that is reflected in the lived experience of immigrants right now in America? Is it the most important story to tell during this political moment? Because where I live immigrants have had to stop attending school and work out of fear of being snatched up off the street.

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          I’m not from the US but my understanding is that the way US history is taught in schools and sometimes even colleges is heavily whitewashed and romanticized. Pupils are also repeatedly taught “allegiance … to the republic, one nation under god” (how dystopian). It is very difficult to accept that your entire understanding (and thus love) of the country you live in is at best heavily doctored and at worst just a total sham perpetrated by the elites.

          How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!

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      19 days ago

      You can come from anywhere and be an American

      Not according to the American president, half or more of the American government, and about half of the American population.

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    I remember in the 1990s when I was fairly young, and I was having a discussion with other people, and I kept saying the Republican Party was a fascist party, and I remember one of the people in the discussion taking me aside afterward and telling me that I couldn’t say that(not because it wasn’t true, but) because people would get offended.

    I remember after the September 11 attack, that they named the department for the country’s security “The Department of Homeland Security” and I had extreme concerns about their intentions by naming it that. I could see what they were moving toward, even back then.

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      not because it wasn’t true, but because people would get offended.

      I have a hypothesis that as society we’re too polite. We don’t tell people they’re being assholes because that’s uncomfortable, so they continue being assholes without appropriate social pressure.

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        My FiL intentionally takes advantage of this in people. His family try to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just “unaware”, but I have been in situations where 1) I point out his imposition on other people to him, 2) he continues to engage in said behavior, 3) I subsequently call him out on it publicly, and 4) he calls me disloyal.

        Or course he’s an evangelical MAGA voter with misogynist leanings.

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          Which disproves the idea above yours that simply being curt and telling people they’re being assholes or inconsiderate or wrong or evil doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter to them. Being ostracized doesn’t work. Imprisoning them doesn’t work.

          But you can reduce their numbers by improving the situations that allowed their ideas to develop and spread or be preyed upon by bad actors.

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            If enough people are against him, he will relent. Social pressure and/ or ostracization does work on him. He won’t resort to violence or direct confrontation to try to get away with his inconsiderate BS, but if he thinks

            • you will think it’s too much trouble to confront him,
            • you will forget about his transgression, or
            • you won’t notice his transgression

            then he will (continue to) try to get away with it. He has no baseline conscientiousness of other people, even people he supposedly loves.

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                Well, perhaps! I wouldn’t be surprised if he got an official diagnosis, but I’m an engineer, not a psychologist. So it won’t be from me.

                I was just trying to agree with the original commenter, because when I call him on his crap publicly, it keeps him more in line. His own relatives seem relieved when I’m around because I will force him to be a little more courteous (e.g., telling him to clean up items behind himself instead of allowing/expecting the women in his family to do it). Their non-confrontational culture just enables him.

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        Hot take:

        This is why the French culture is the platonic ideal. The average French person is a feral chain smoking time bomb and any they have no time for bullshit. Cutting in line in England will earn you a lot of judgemental stares, same thing in France will get you yelled at or stabbed depending on how the weather is.

        The French government would love to be a lot fashier than it is, but it fears its citizens with good reason.

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    Yeah, chillingly similar to Hitler’s ideas:

    The whole European continent appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs.

    except whoops...

    sorry, messed up, this is actually a direct quote by a US president responsible for the total destruction of native americans a.k.a. “manifest destiny”, which then inspired the nazis:

    The whole continent of North America appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs

    John Quincy Adams [source]

    US elites have always been nazis, they just learned to hide it when nazism became unpopular after WW2. now the mask is coming off again

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      Because it’s all part of a unified boot that they hope to use on the throat of the world. All the agencies you remember from the government, are not doing that thing you remember they did. They are now strictly there to support violence.

      • HHS - ensures people are malnourished and unprotected against viral attacks
      • CDC - encourages the spread of viral pandemics, and is now in charge of “health surveillance” (using medical data for state violence)
      • FDA - promotes the spread of bacterial and parasitical infections
      • EPA - tasked with increasing pollution
      • NOAA - in charge of species and biome destruction

      I surmised all that from news reports. I can only assume the DOL is now responsible for the minimization of labor as a class, and the promotion of forced labor.

      Anyway, these tweets come from all the above agencies too. They’re like saying “heil hitler”. It’s the normal public display of allegiance that you find in any fascist system.

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    19 days ago

    Keith Sonderling is the trump appointed Sec of Labor, who built his career as a vicious lawyer representing management in high profile labor disputes. He’s spent his time at the DOL dismantling protections for minorities and women.