Job markets never really recovered, this story will happen again. RIP Anon, we’re either stuck with what we got or we can’t get shit.
my last unemployment check just hit my account. Not even a single call back in 6 months. I’m scurred.
Fuck 'em. Add AI to the front of everything on your resume and apply at a startup.
I feel like if they could successfully bullshit like that, they wouldn’t be in that situation in the first place. Or they have some kind of health issue that makes it literally impossible to work any kind of job, even if they make it through the application process.
Have you tried strapping yourself up by your pullboots?
Or booting yourself up by your pullstraps?
These both sound unsafe
Have you shopped your resume around with friends or family? Or stripped identifying info and posted it here? Blind spots happen with resumes and a little outside perspective can help with targeting it to the job you want.
I think I fall in the middle of this. I think this kid (and I think he is still a kid) had 38 years to transition to independence. But the same could be said about the parents. Why are they kicking him out now instead of after schooling? Now they are doing this almost cold turkey. Why not tell him he has until his birthday to stay paying rent. Then later impose more restrictions until ultimately sending him on his way.
I’m old so I feel it’s ridiculous for a 38 year old to still be living at home without substantially contributing. At the same time they let him do it and it’s kind of unfair allow it to get this far. He probably had a reasonable expectation of living with them until he or they died.
I know people like this. Knew a quite a few people from college who were only their parents payroll until 35. I am in my 40s and I still meet single women who are living with/off mom and dad at my age… but people generally dont’ judge women for that.
Basically it was just the arbitrary age at which they felt ‘adulthood’ should start. For me that was basically 18, for others it was mid 30s, for some people, it’s never.
And in my experience it’s largely a function of how much wealth people have, like wealthier folks give their kids way more runway because they can afford to support them for longer period of time with minimal impact to themselves.
In my demo it’s not living at home, it’s people who spend their 20s working low-age jobs but living high-wage lifestyle due to parents paying their rent and other major expenses. And usually when they do get cut off… they transition to a high paid job via another degree, or they get married.
Also there is the issue emotional co-dependence, some parts are just totally co-dependent on their kids emotionally and don’t want them to ever leave, etc.
My nephew is in exactly this position. My sister and her husband make plenty of money, they felt emotionally attached, he’s diagnosed as ADHD, so he gets a pass on some things. He’s 32.
I know millennials hate that older people criticize them and I get it, but every millennial I know is in exactly this position and I don’t understand how anyone can hold his head high knowing he essentially can’t take care of himself.
On the other hand, I grew up in a different time. I graduated with $9k of debt, not $100k. I devoted decades of my life working to make someone else rich. So who’s smarter, me or my nephew?
I mean, if they’re ok with him living there, who am I to judge? My only real complaint is that he feels entitled to things he hasn’t earned. My sister plays disc golf with me. He played with us briefly. He won’t let her use “his” discs. The discs she paid for. He demands to sit in the front seat of the car sometimes, not request it. I’m sorry, but if Mom says she wants the front seat, Mom gets the fucking front seat. Not sure if this is generational or just him. But as a genX, I try to be understanding, because I see how the country has gone, but it can be tough sometimes, because from my perspective, he’s getting a 100% free ride and should be friggin grateful.
does he legit have that debt? or are you just generalizing? most people don’t have 100K of debt… some people do and those folks aren’t smart people and their bad choice making tends to compound their situation over time. I have known folks with the 100K of debt… and trust me those people knew what they were doing, they just refused to pay down their debt…
I had 35K of debt, and paid $15K of it off in two years on a 30K job, because I made it a priority and I didn’t want to be poor forever.
A lot of bad parents enable their children’s bad choices and they have to live with the consequences. His parents taught him to be entitled and rude probably because they did not practice discipline or punishment for poor actions. But you’re right it’s none of your business really. You can’t fix anyone else’s bad choices. It’s not his generation, it’s just him and how he was raised.
No. He has no debt. I meant that as a general statement about how things were more affordable for me than for millennials. It was easier for me to forge out on my own than it is for today’s youth. I’ve just heard of people graduating with $100k. It really makes you switch your thinking. Before, I would have expected any child of mine to go to college. Now I would understand if he or she didn’t want to. I have no children, so I dodged that bullet. LOL.
the average student debt is like 30K.
i had a friend who graduated in 2007 with 100K in debt… it was also possible to do that 20 years ago… if you were really dumb. She was really dumb. She had that debt load from a lower-cost public school… she just make really bad financial choices… and then went ot graduate school for 6 years so the debt wasn’t’ getting paid back… and then got a low-wage job afterward… yeah
My MIL is one of the codependent ones. My SO is basically her parent at this point.
Luckily my mom thinks MIL is a shitty parent, and actually acts like a parent for my SO.
we don’t know what his parents did or didn’t do leading up to op’s brief synopsis.
I think we can infer, based on the fact that a grown ass man is still living with his parents and clearly not helping financially since he has no clue how to get a job.
32 here, my parents divorced which kicked me out as they sold the house in my early 20s. From friends I see some still live at home, but those that do all pay rent or help out in some way.
this happened to me at only 19. I was homeless for 4 months after.
Me at 22. Was homeless as well. I make decent money now almost twenty years later and I still look at prices and think back when I used to dumpster dive.
glad you’re doing good now. just as a little secret, I still dumpster dive to this day honestly… it’s how I got every piece of furniture in my house except my bed. gotta save where ya can lol.
Back in the day, I used to eat pretty well out of dumpsters. Wasn’t really homeless, was living in an old caravan, but was proper broke.
These days, at least round here, they lock up the dumpsters, have security guards, or deliberately contaminate the food. Wankers.
Living out of a car or living on friend’s couches is considered homelessness. It’s why some people say unhoused instead.
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
- The Grapes of Wrath
I get that we’re in the age of AI and fuck the artist but cite your sources man
I’m in the same boat. Plus I was “unschooled” with neglectful mentally ill parents so my education REALLY suffered. Funnily enough I’ll be turning 38 soon… but I’ve been working hard for decades and have a career and family of my own now thankfully
I regularly tell my parents that the reason I am not like so many Americans, is that I have a supportive family. I live with my parents, but I would likely be homeless if they weren’t here for me.
But like … You do work or go to school or at least try to do something besides just mooch, right? This guy never even tried, apparently for two decades after high school
I would like to think so? Even so, I do pay my parents 500 a month as rent.
Yeah, he would probably be homeless if he didn’t have an overly supportive family I think.
There’s a definite difference between renting below market rate from your family and being a 37 year old who’s never had a job, can’t drive etc.
The government has wasted at least 176 Billion dollars in Iran over the past three months, the leader of our society has siphoned at least 2 Billion in the past two years, data centers with near zero product are draining the water and electricity from communities all over the country while playing hot potato with hundred of billions more, and you’re calling your peer a mooch for feeling unable to participate.
It sucks at 19 and isn’t really fair because getting started is so much harder these days. Now imagine you were twice as old and had never tried to do anything with your life.
Depending on where they live in the us and assuming it’s real, all he’ll need to do is get to a shelter. Make it clear that he needs help, then do the things asked. This all assumes he is mentally stable and physically well. there are programs but they do not hold your hand. They are not great, they are not the best as compared to other countries, but it is something. If he clean on drug tests and criminal there are many places that will take him. It won’t be pleasant.
If he has any documented physical health issues, then he needs to get a disability lawyer going.
As many pointed out, this world is grossly difficult and Unfair, but as long as one is kind, truthful, and continues to try, people will at least attempt to help, or at least tell you honestly they can’t.
I don’t want my tax money being used to shelter 4chan users 😤
Do you believe that having a roof over your head is a human right? I certainly do. Yes even the most detestable people in the world deserve a roof over their heads, with a place to sleep, and a functioning toilet and shower and some space to store their belongings.
This should be the bare minimum that all people are guaranteed by society but apparently that’s a very high bar
all he’ll need to do is get to a shelter
Famously very luxurious, accommodating, and safe places to live long term. There’s never a space shortage. You get three squares a day of very tasty and nutrious faire, no questions asked. There’s never any kind of Kafka-esque bureaucracy to gaining entrance, much less obligations on the people in the shelter to maintain residence. It’s definitely not boring. Nobody is ever exploited. Mental health of all the residents is top notch and you never experience and physical violence or emotional abuse while there.
It won’t be pleasant.
Understatement.
If he has any documented physical health issues, then he needs to get a disability lawyer going.
“I’m broke, I have no transportation, and I’m about to be homeless”
“Have you talked to your lawyer about it?”
I feel like you are being a cunt on purpose, most of those points where addressed in the comment. Ok the lawyer one needed clarification. Disability lawyers are a little easier (not easy, easier) to obtain while in a homeless and jobless state. Starting off pro bono and eventually getting paid from the state in one way or another, or thro charities/non profits is not uncommon for them.
Yes it was a understatment about shelter life. But you got so dum and smarmy about it. Its still better that the fucking street. (at least in an american east coast city). Yea your still gonna get robbed, but their is a much lower chance of getting stomped, lit on fire, or just fucking raped.
They raised him like that!
People blaming the parents are idiots. The parents were likely under 38 when they had him. How can one 38 year old be responsible for themselves AND another person, but the other 38 year old isn’t given even enough agency to be responsible for themselves. Maybe it’s all the grandparents fault because the parents were pressured to have children? How far do we have to go before anyone is responsible for their own actions at 38?
A 38 year old man is middle aged. Most high school kids are already more influenced by their peers than their parents. Once you’re an adult actual parental influence is almost nil if the child wants it to be. How do you get to 38 and not have any idea of how life works? How do you get to 38 and not realise this day is coming, how can you take zero steps to get your life together? Literally every human they’ve interacted with has provided an example of how to get your shit together!
How can you blame parents for the behaviour of a middle aged man? Do you realise how hostile it is to a person to completely remove their agency like this? As if they can’t control anything about their lives?!?
You can blame the parents because they enabled this behavior and are actively supporting it. Its very common with drug or alcohol addiction. Just because someone is an adult does not mean they are doing everything by themselves.
I’m not saying they ARE doing something by themselves. I’m saying we can’t just take away their agency because of external factors.
At 38 you’re responsible for your life whether or not you had people supporting your basic needs until then. I don’t know why this is such a controversial take here.
The idea that it’s normal for your life to be WORSE when you have people providing you shelter and food and resources is insane. That’s not normal at all. This middle aged man has access to the internet and all the information in the world, they have had all the opportunity anyone had ever been given to realise they’re doing something wrong and to do something about it.
Unless you have an extreme case where a person was caged their whole lives and never had access to the external world you can’t just blame their parents anymore than you can blame capitalism or society.
It’s interesting how you completely refuse to entertain the idea that OOP has an actual health issue instead of just being some kind of lazy bum.
Health issues and disabilities are an obstacle. They can even be an impediment to important aspects of life. But as an adult you’re expected to do what you can with what you have.
If you’re legs are paralysed and you’re in a wheelchair you’re not expected to do the same thing an able bodied person can. That’s why every modern country supports sick and disabled people, and makes accommodations for disabled people a legal requirement while prohibiting discrimination against sick and disabled people. But if you decide to stay in bed for the rest of your life that’s not because of your disability, that’s on you.
Half the people here think his parents haven’t done enough when if anything they’ve done too much.
Another bunch of people think it’s reasonable to expect the parents to train and ready him for society at 38. As if they have magical mind control that can force him to work on his life.
That’s not how it works. Parents don’t control me, or you, or any other adults in a modern country who don’t want to be controlled. Some people just suck. Hitler sucks. Trump sucks. Anon sucks. Nothing anyone’s parents can do about it. Look at Hegseth’s mom. You think she wouldn’t force him to fix his life if she could and stop being a useless piece of shit who only harms everything he touches? She can’t.
There is only so much your parents can do to make your life good, and there is only so much they can do to make it bad. Sure it can be a lot … But by 38 you have more agency over where you are in life than they do.
Are you seriously saying that every person with chronic health issues / disabilities would be able to work a job if they just really tried? There’s a huge variety of illnesses that is diametrically opposed to any kind of work life, e.g.:
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ME/CFS
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nonverbal autism
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frequent panic attacks, e.g. due to extreme social anxiety, PTSD etc.
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some kind of heavy chronic pain, like a fucked up back
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heavy insomnia
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fucked up arms
Even if it’s theoretically possible to make it work, it’s quite possible that even living with their parents, OOP doesn’t have access to the necessary healthcare, and depending on the exact region the laws might be not at all accomodating for employees with disabilities.
When the fuck did I say that? I just said you have to try. That you have to do what you can with what you have. Anon isn’t doing shit.
If you’re unable to work most decent countries have disability programs. If you’re not in a decent country, I’m sorry. Minorities and disabled people always get the worst of systemic inequality. Hopefully the world starts beheading the rich again and making things better for everyone.
Even if it wasn’t the US, very few countries are going to put you on disability because of stuff like insomnia or social anxiety. If your country still has halfway-decent social security, you’re most likely going to end up on some kind of general-purpose unemployment benefits, but that’s often a very precarious position.
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I think this is a really good start here. Lemmy is mostly populated by early- to late-middle-aged men in STEM fields, so it makes sense why many of the comments are focused on asserting how much better they are at parenting than actually talking about what the main topic is, which is how do we process this kind of situation. It’s true that the reality of our society means that people who are legally adults are expected and, really, forced to be responsible for themselves whether or not they are prepared even if just by merit that nobody is guaranteed the material security to take care of all their kids after that point. Many of us find a way and find more lessond of use to ourselves for having done so, so it isn’t very reasonable to only focus on these parents, though they do indeed seem like bad parents.
What you and most other people here have missed is the ableism element in this. This is very possibly an autistic person, and our society is extremely hostile even to well-equipped autistic people who have a reliable support network. Everyone here seems agreed that this ought not happen, but many if not most of you have chosen to go the route of finding individualized moral liability rather than identifying how this fits into a system where anyone is in this situation against their will.
Even if the guy was merely parented poorly, or is just a lazy bum, or disabled to the point of needing this kind of care, we should always be thinking about the fact that nobody should be fearing for their life because they don’t know how to get a job or take care of themselves.
Yeah. I completely agree in that you can blame the parents as much as you blame society or capitalism for the situation.
On a societal level he shouldn’t have to fear for his life in this situation. On an individual level, this is the context we live in. If you stop enabling them you by default subject them to the un-enabled experience of the world. You can’t force an adult to improve their lives or even get therapy or help. The expectation can’t be “if your middle aged child refuses to get help you’re stuck caring for them forever” that’s an adverse incentive. At some point you have to stop enabling them and let them start taking care of their own life. In a better society we would have progressives and leftists in charge who could create a good social safety net that would help us all through these situations.
We don’t even know if OOP refused to work, or couldn’t work. There are lots of conditions that make it literally impossible to work a job, no matter how much you “apply yourself” or how much effort you put in.
Either he CAN do something and he doesn’t want to. Or he can’t do ANYTHING and should apply for disability benefits. Every decent country has a program for severely disabled citizens.
I doubt this fictional tale is likely as written in a story without disability benefits.
Every decent country has a program for severely disabled citizens.
We’re still talking about the US, right? Lots of people fall through the cracks because their issues don’t get recognized as a “real” disability, this is true even for countries with more comprehensive social security systems.
Most high school kids are already more influenced by their peers than their parents. Once you’re an adult actual parental influence is almost nil if the child wants it to be.
You’re talking about kids who wouldn’t become shut-ins anyway. If you’re bullied in high school and drop out at 16, the only “peer” influence is the trauma. Not that I experienced anything like that ;_;
The thoughts and trauma also don’t just go away, they fade like old scars but sometimes your finger runs over it and you remember how you got it. It leaves you harmed in such a way you now don’t fit in exactly well, if you even did to begin with. Some find solace in pure solitude, others through substances. Neither of those situations is healthy. It’s hard to take the bowl they purposely broke that is you, and glue it back together to continue holding water. It leans, constantly, and no amount of patching fixes it fully or forever.
Why is this relevant? Anon may be such an individual that the idea of even doing something to improve their quality of life seems insurmountable due to depression and trauma. Can’t say for certain, but it was not a single instance.
That’s fair, but I think you’re using a narrow definition of peers. I’m sure you found online support and communities where you could be yourself a bit more than in high school. Certainly at 16 your own journey through society, online and in person, will have a greater influence on you than your parents worldview. These are all peer influences, since there is no hierarchical relationship between you.
Your parents worldview is a starting point, and by 16 most teenagers have already started forming many opinions which oppose their parents’ worldview. That gap expands as you get older.
How much can your parents be to blame for you thinking it’s okay to be a 38 year old dependent when you have access to all the information in the world from in person and online peers, to all the media ever produced that tells you society expects more from a 38 year old. Even in this fake meme it’s clear that the parents have been telling this middle aged adult for decades that this isn’t okay. You don’t kick someone out you’ve been caring for for 38 years “all of a sudden”, it’s the last option on a very long list.
I don’t think the shut-in believes it’s normal or okay to be a shut-in. It’s a feeling of complete failure to fit in and isolating as a result. The longer the shut-in is ostracized (or keeping themself ostracized), the stronger the feeling becomes that they do not fit in, they will never fit in, if there was ever an opportunity to fit in they surely missed it now. Being a 38 year old shut-in is actually very believable to me,it isn’t exactly a situation that challenges your beliefs or motivates you to change.
Sure, it’s harsh to put this all on enabling parents, but you also don’t get to 38 without enabling. You don’t leave the “last resort” on the table for 10-15 years. The very long list should be exhausted within 2 years and one of the options should be a therapist specialized in shut-ins. Beyond that, you’ll just have to hope and pray that one day something clicks in that brain and they start taking charge of their own life.
I agree they should have kicked him out earlier, but I think the people blaming the parents would blame even harder the younger the child is.
No one is saying “he’s too old to be kicked out of the house”, they’re saying “you can’t kick a child out of the house EVER unless they’re fully prepared for life”.
What I’m saying is that after some point an adult is responsible for themselves, and that point is far below 38.
I’m also saying that it’s nice to imagine parents can prepare an adult, but parents have a very limited ability to guide or influence an adult child. If he doesn’t want to improve his situation you can’t force him to get a job, get a house, make friends, go outside, stop frequenting toxic online spaces. He’s an adult, he will just say no and not do it. You can’t even force him to get help or get therapy, or take any depressants or do literally anything to improve his life if he doesn’t want to. All you can do is give them more resources, or give them fewer resources. I think they tried both and now they’re trying “give them much less” by kicking them out.
This is child abuse.
People which use the “age of maturity” as a excuse to be abusive to people and especially to their children are not the people you want to live with.
Every time I see when of these stories I feel a little better that the one thing didn’t fuck up in life was helping my younger brother transition from dependent child to independent adult. It’s so easy to do it without breaking them but we lionize being cruel to young boys. As if cruelty is what grows them.
Good for yinz! My older sister helped me transition a few times in my life. Homelessness and divorce. She kicked me out 1 year after my divorce. Scrambled to find a place but I did.
Letting the guy sit around doing nothing for the last 15 years was the abuse.
Yes
I’m going to assume the issue started prior to age 23
A few people here mentioning this has happened to someone they know. Does anyone have any successful transition to independence stories for older adults? There’s someone in my family that I love, but that pretty much fits this description. Does anyone have advice on what helps?
Depends on how you define it. I knew a couple of guys who just grew up and did a boot camp and got programmer jobs, or took a job with their parent or friend of parents company. Also a few women, and one guy, who just married a wealthy spouse so they could continue to be moochers forever. One or two had their parents move out and give them the house while they did low-wage work.
I have never known anyone of the ‘basement dweller’ variety though, these are all wealthy folks from wealthy families who had tons of social connections. I met them in college/graduate school.
Also knew a couple of people who just never had a job and lived on poverty-income but from their inherited stock returns. They were into speed running games…
I’d start with making them understand that independence is good for everyone involved. Then small steps towards independence, starting with a simple part-time job. The important part here is that they see more people than just their direct family, to show them the different ways people can function in society.
If this works out, help them identify some personal goals. The hard part of being a shut-in is that you have no agency over your life, so you give up on all your goals. Once you have a little agency, you can start finding goals again. Simple ones at first: saving up some emergency funds, getting a driver’s license, making a weekend trip to get out of the house for a couple nights.
Also assuming they are classic shut-ins and not caretaker-type shut-ins: learning how to take care of the household, cooking, developing skills around the house. It’s low barrier to entry, they are already in the house after all.
Source: was a NEET for 5 years
go to work for wallyworld. aint much but better than nothing
I’m from a culture where it is completely normal to live with your parents for essentially their entire lives. The issue is that as an immigrant family to a culture where it isn’t, makes me seem weird by comparison. I also have some of the worst luck there could be. My parents idea of success is to get a very good education, get a high paying job, support the family. There’s only one small problem. I fucking despise academia or academic institutions with all my soul. It took me 8 years to finish a 4 year degree and 4 years for a 2½ year masters. Additionally when I finished college, COVID hit hard and finiding a job was impossible since most companies stopped hiring. Now that I finish my masters we have the AI bubble and companies stopped hiring again. I never worked a real job my entire life, only research assistant, or student jobs. I have zero savings since those jobs barely pay above minimum wage. It fucking sucks. In any group I’m constantly the most educated looser there is. It makes you look repulsive to the point where I really hate talking about myself in person. I’d rather would have done an apprenticeship some 10 years ago and would have had a steady, less paying job, than this worthless engineering degree and zero real job experience. The issue is that now the cost of living is way to high to afford living on an apprenticeship salary for a few years, which is way below minimum wage. I spend essentially more than 20 years in non-stop education and it ground me down mentally to the point where I don’t even have motivation to keep on living. Literally, Fuck My Life. If anyone wants it, take it. Seriously, anybody, just put me down like a wounded animal.
I’d rather would have done an apprenticeship some 10 years ago and would have had a steady, less paying job, than this worthless engineering degree and zero real job experience. The issue is that now the cost of living is way to high to afford living on an apprenticeship salary for a few years, which is way below minimum wage
Are you working using your engineering degree? You make it sound like you’re unemployed, so how is an apprenticeship salary worse than no salary? I don’t know where you’re located, but here in the US, there are many trade programs at community colleges that are very affordable and that could be accessed in the evenings even if you had a different full time job. Your engineering background being applied to a trade also puts you in a position to differentiate yourself in a few years once you’re independent. You should let go of what your parents want right now and start planning for your own future. What are you, about 36? It’s def not too late.
The cost of living for someone with a job can be higher than an unemployed person as they need to live where they can commute from, which can make things like living with parents or not having a car infeasible. If the job doesn’t pay well enough to cover this, then having no income leaves you better off.
In the short-term, maybe? But if you have the skills to be employed, you will be much better off over time starting to work somewhere. Having a job sets you up to obtain a better or higher paying role in the future
The long-term prospects are better, but if someone doesn’t have some kind of buffer like savings or the bank of mum and dad to cover the period where their earnings aren’t enough to break even, then the short-term problems make the long-term benefits impossible to actually reach.
Sure, but we’re talking about someone who lives with their parents and has that buffer
We’re talking about someone who lives with their parents, but there’s no indication they’ve got any buffer. If there aren’t apprenticeships within walking distance of their parents’ home and they pay poorly enough to not cover housing or commuting costs, then the option of living with parents doesn’t do any good because they can’t use that option while also doing work.
I’m finishing my masters right now. With fairly bad grades that is, because I really don’t care about putting in any effort anymore. Which probably means that just like with my equally shit bachelors degree I won’t be able to get a proper engineering position. The thing is that if you apply even to entry level positions, companies usually have more than enough candidates that don’t took 10 years to finish college with barely passing grades. And even on the off chance that a company is desperate enough to hire you, it’s usually a really bad one. I’m currently working as a student. Which pays very good by the hour, but is limited in the amount of hours you can work. So yeah while I get a decent hourly wage, it’s a lot less money monthly than even the worst paying trade jobs. And I’m prohibited by law to take on more hours or a second job while enrolled college (or more precisely the employer is not allowed to give me more hours). I also earn a little money on the side but all together is just barely enough to cover the bills. So yeah, don’t be like me and push yourself into a dead end where you’re too overqualified for unskilled labor, too inexperienced for skilled labor and too financially unstable to start over.
What kind of engineering?
Low voltage is not a registered trade in some places, so data com/access control installation is easy to get into.
Mechanical
Oh, man. I’m sorry to hear youre having such a bad time with it. I’m a mechanical engineer, and love it. I only have a bachelor’s, though. So maybe I got out of school while it was still fun. It took me a couple years after graduating to get something in my field, I came out of school during a recession. I worked 3rd shift on an assembly line those years. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy Mech Eng at some point.
Consider construction. They have unions, apprentices don’t get paid great but certainly better than minimum wage, and with some hands on experience you can go for a cert to do CAD and make real money
They’re always building something, and there’s a pipeline of moving from a trade into a CAD role - they tend to promote from inside due to unions, so it can be a kind of backdoor to avoid the mess of the application process right now
An engineer is an engineer, IDK what flavor you studied but I’m sure it’d give you a big leg up in getting into a CAD role
The issue is getting in. In smaller towns sometimes it’s easier, but for example in my city for electricians, there’s 3000 applicants a year, and the Union only takes 25-50 into the program.
I especially love how they bragged about building a training center capable of teaching several hundred students… and still only take 25-50 in.
Fuck off, slopper
ohh come on let him slop
There is a lot of valuable materials inside flock cameras that can be sold for profit.
Ooh deadass? I don’t think they have them in my city let alone country yet, but when they come, I’ll be ready
Lots of copper.
38, never had a job, about to get one or starve. Sink or swim, parasite. You don’t need a plan, you just start hitting up all the grocery stores, fast food joints and temp agencies before your supply of ramen runs out. Temp agencies will send anyone with a pulse to stack product on pallets at whatever factories are local.
The 1960s called, they want their incredibly outdated job hunting advice back.
Yes but have you tried introducing yourself to the manager with a firm handshake?
Y’all are doing it wrong, got to grab a bit lower to leave an impression.
If we’re talking about grocery stores, fast food, and gas stations that absolutely still works lmao.
Pretty much all the minimum wage places still have walk in job applications. Often times they’ll just interview you on the spot.
That advice worked into the 1990’s, and even some in the 00’s (at least in my GenXer direct experience). But it ain’t working now, that’s for sure.
Eh it worked 10 years ago as well, but I’ve not been in retail/entry level jobs for about that long. Just walk in or visit the store website and fill out an application. Turnover is so high in these shitty entry level roles that they’re always looking for new blood
Heck a recruiter I talked to 8 years ago is still including me on mass texts about immediate openings at warehouses and factories for laborers with the most recent just a couple of days ago
Do these jobs suck? Yeah, but they’ll hire anyone with a pulse who can show up sober, and oftentimes sobriety is optional. It’ll get the person out of the house and earning some money which should help their mental state as well since staying inside 24/7 and having no structure to your life is a recipe for depression
I’ll be honest bud, I’m 40 and have continuously held a job since I was 14. But given the choice between destitution and your plan, I’d choose destitution. The parasite in this society isn’t the fragile souls not capable of sustaining this abuse.
This comment is so outdated I had to blow the dust off of it before I read it, like an ancient clay tablet
I hope anon doesn’t break his back carrying all those stones he carved his CV into. Good news is he can deliver his CV really quickly. Just chuck it at the window.
Some people have disabilities, they might not be visible. Truth is even they have needs and to say “sink or swim” reeks of cynicism and plain hatred for humans and closing one’s eyes to the human condition. You say that he should just go to work. As if people exist in a vacuum and can apply for jobs and get them. It’s clear that he has issues, guy has not been able to work. You can’t seriously believe that the system will want to employ him.
I see nothing in the greentext image mentioning a disability. To me it reads as a lazy moocher that thought they could live as a parasite off their parents goodwill for their entire life and is getting a long overdue wakeup call.
I’m afraid you don’t understand what it means to be disabled. Disability is when people stop being able to function in daily life. As far as anon is concerned, this probably happened right when he got his HS diploma. Anon is exhibiting severe social dysfunction which is likely aggravated by C-PTSD, Autism, or a schizoform disorder.
Imagine telling a disabled person they don’t know what it means to be disabled. Now, to be fair, there’s no reason that you should have known that. However, that’s kind of the point: you’re making all sorts of unwarranted assumptions and then treating them as facts.
I mean you don’t. If anon were to go to the psychologist, the psychologist would tell him that he has significant mental issues. A disability if you will. That is a fact.
Why you preach this pulling yourself up the bootstraps mentality is beyond me. Completely antithetical to what the vast majority of disabled people need to hear.
you push someone with mental disabilities (untreated adhd/ocd/anxiety/whatever) into low-wage labor and they just end up as contestants on /publicfreakout/ or tiktok, when they invariably get into a fight with the manager or customer or whatever.
then all the privileged yuppies on the internet can critique their behavior and the situation to determine who’s right and wrong.
that’s our culture. we’re already in some dystopian hellhole but most of it is so subtle and outside the lines of ‘normal thinking’ that people don’t notice it.
A lot of it is because people take reality for granted and to arrive at the whys is difficult because there exists a whole industry that legitimises the present state of things. Think of Fox news, or the Washington Post, or the Guardian – who would rather want more competent people in charge of an inherently antirationalist system than to fully overcome it. As more and more people are immiserated they will gain the knowledge of the absurd contradictions that have been considered normal and desire to supersede their masters. So in this culture there is a fragment of overcoming the metastability of infinite growth and so on.
Some industries will hire anyone with a pulse and they are often hungry for people (not right now, anon will be fucked, since the economy is fucked). Certainly there’s some disabilities that’d lock you out of those options, but not too many.
not right now, anon will be fucked, since the economy is fucked
Yeah, but that is the reality. You can have your hypothetical grabby industries all you want, if they don’t exist and don’t provide what you claim they provide, which is a life, than you are talking about a fantasy. Plus the point about disabilities is not one where variety matters, how many disabilities there are, what matters is that people have those disabilities and the fact that very often people do have those disabilities.
Plus being a shut in that lives at home and relies on your parents for literally everything is a recipe for severe mental illness.
The Internet isn’t real life, so when a person spends literally all of their time at home on the computer doing nothing of value they can easily find themselves with a very warped sense of reality that can only be broken by going outside, touching some grass and interacting with some real people.
There’s also quite a few life skills that can’t really be taught and have to be learned by working a job, living on your own and managing your own finances
If his parents were going to do this they should have done it 20 years ago, or preferably got him some help for whatever is wrong with him that’s made him live like this. He’s fucked if he doesn’t have someone to room with. Entry level jobs aren’t going to cover housing let alone food and other essentials.
Yeah, these are all things his parents had a duty and obligation to teach him and they failed.
I’m seeing it more and more. Parenting is hard so people don’t even attempt it.
written like a true american. no soul, just work
Tamaki Saitō’s book Hikikomori is worth a read on this
What is this template?
