• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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      Bush caused 2008, and Obama did a masterful job of pulling America out of it. I thought it would take 20 years to recover, but Obama did it in about 2.

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    No no no. Not Bring Back America.

    Bring Back Competence, Obama’s smiling face with BBC in big bold lettering under it.

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    Honestly, I’d be a big brain move for him to parody Trump and announce his 2028 election run.

    Then MAGA would either have to accept Obama, or state that they can’t run for three terms. A response to which we can point to Trump.

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      They’ve already come up with a crackheaded, baseless explanation. They say that it only applies to 2 consecutive terms.

      Logic isn’t the play. They will say/do anything that gets them what they want. You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into in the first place.

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          No, their “logic” is that a president is eligible for re-election only until they serve two consecutive terms, after which point they are no longer eligible.

          They have to create a system that allows Trump to run but won’t allow Obama to run. He couldn’t stand losing to Biden, and he obviously re-lives that loss every day, but he would actually implode if he lost to Obama. And everyone around him seems to have the job of “keep Dear Leader from imploding.”

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      It’s just here to piss off the MAGAs.

      I would love it if the Lincoln Project was the one who started it. Theyre conservatives who fucking hate Trump.

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    I would really like to hope that someday we can do better than Obama. Being the best president in recent memory isn’t an amazingly high bar and I’d really like to see a world where we have something better.

    Especially with respect to foreign policy. And I know many folks don’t connect with why that’s a big deal, but one of my closest friends is Coptic and her people were targeted for ethnic cleansing by a militant faction in Egypt after Obama backed them, because our favorite foreign policy in the US is to back some militant group anytime what the government of a region is doing is even mildly inconvenient to us.

    If you remember the men that Isis executed on the beach in video, in the first like beheading video that was a thing ages ago- those men were Copts. My friend has community members she considered family who are dead now back in Egypt. If I remember right she said the population dropped from like 15% of Egypt to 5% in a span of a handful of years.

    The toll of horrifying american foreign policy is not just an abstract bogeyman leftist bring up to trash politicians you like, they have actual death tolls and leave behind people who are mourning. Its not even good foreign policy either, we’re radicalized half the world to hate our guts, which as it turns out is not the most geopolitically advantageous.

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      Terror Tuesday was Obama’s favorite day of the week. He kept doing it for 8 years. He murdered people on the basis of whether they urinated sitting down, or standing.

      Obama is a piece of shit.

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        Given the strict choice between Obama and literally anyone running as a Republican, I would choose Obama every single time. No doubt, no hesitation. Every time.

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        And he’s still one of the best presidents in recent memory. Two things can be true at the same time.

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        Don’t forget Obama also drone striked an American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki. Fairly confident to say that targeting and killing an American citizen is the prime example of extra-judicial killing.

        Sure, some people will be happy that an alleged terrorist was killed. However the legal justification by David J. Barron (Chief Legal Counsel) laid out the the groundwork for a future targeted extra-judicial killing of an American citizen.

        You know who’s currently in the US crosshairs? Trans people, leftists, immigrants, and anyone who’s a non-White, cis, conservative, male.

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      Good comment. I agree with every word you said, just thought I’d point out for the random passerby that the Copts are one of the oldest Christian groups on the planet, said to have been introduced to Christianity by the apostle Mark – as in the author of the Gospel of St. Mark – himself.

      I have known Copts myself, though not well, and was honored to visit one of their liturgical services many years ago: they are incredibly hospitable and welcoming people, and very kind to this stranger.

      More people should be aware that what you are describing is a group of actual, sincere (and not just tediously performative) Christian people genuinely persecuted and dying for their religion by Isis, and also targeted by pseudo-Christians in US government for political expediency. And it goes unnoticed because few even know who the Copts are.

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    It’s funny to think about, but also sobering to realize he’s the best president Dems have had recently considering just how much he capitulated to Republicans after he got his signature ACA bill passed. I’ll never forgive him for not putting up a fight with McConnell over his Supreme Court nominee.

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      Biden was better. He quietly got more done, and didn’t play into their games.

      Biden would have appointed the empty Supreme Court seat.

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        Obama did appoint the empty Supreme Court seat. McConnell refused to bring it to the senate to affirm. I actually generally agree that Biden was better though, until he decided to run again. If he did what he said he was going to and became the bridge to the next generation he would be fondly remembered. Instead he’ll be remembered as the person that enabled Trump’s second term.

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      His signature ACA bill that was so gutted and piecemealed together by the GOP that it was doomed to fail in every way possible.

      We were gonna have universal healthcare and now we have $20k bills to pickup a dead child from your house.

      Like it’s so bad in the U.S. people are going to Mexico for medical care. Mexico!

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        I was deep in the weeds of the ACA fight and this is not at all how it went down. Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for only a few months altogether, and many in the caucus at the time were moderate red-state Democrats that didn’t support a universal system. Hell, one of them, Joe Lieberman, had actively campaigned for John McCain and was on the shortlist to be his VP!

        The ACA that passed via reconciliation was the most progressive possible version of it that could have passed; lose one senator or a couple of representatives in the final vote and it would have failed to pass (and arguably destroyed Obama’s presidency in the process).

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        While the ACA could have been much better in many ways that just weren’t possible to get through the Senate, if you recall before that, there was pretty much no way at all to obtain any kind of insurance without getting it through an employer, and if you switched employers, your new employer’s insurance could just tell you “sorry about that diabetes, we won’t cover that since you had it before you started here.” We would be in a much, much worse place right now without the ACA

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      Bill Clinton instituted Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell in the 90s as a means of protecting homosexuals in the military. DADT basically meant that the military couldn’t conduct investigations into a person’s sexuality. They were allowed to prohibit homosexuality, but they could only act against a service member who openly indicated their homosexual preference.

      DADT was horseshit from day one. The only redeeming characteristic of the policy was decriminalization of gays in the military. They could still be thrown out, but the policy quickly put an end to court martial and imprisonment of gay soldiers.

      DADT was a compromise, a transitory policy that never should have been needed. It needed to be retired as soon as it was enacted, and it took decades to actually accomplish.

      Obama’s ACA is in a very similar position. It was horseshit from day one. It was a program designed and promoted by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, as opposition to various Universal Healthcare plans. It was designed from the outset to prop up the health insurance industry that desperately needed to be gutted.

      It may have been the best that Obama could have achieved at the time, but it was disgustingly terrible, and the whole thing needs to be replaced with something that actually works.

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      Ironically, the problem with liberals is their absolute obsession with “process”. It’s why they are hopeless in the face of fascism. They see the fascist breaking the process, ignoring it, laughing in their faces. But will not “go down to their level”.

      It’s not something unexpected. Obama and his “legacy”. His legacy is Trump. His absolute failure as a president in the face of massive in equality, endless wars, and civil rights. Of course the liberals loved him. He did everything by the books, reached across the aisle, and left things to the absolute failure of a candidate that was Hillary Clinton. But they happily followed the “process” let themselves be blocked by a party over and over that did not care about it.

      Say what you will about the Republicans. But, they actually have goals that they have met. Packed courts, secret police, concentration camps. They care about results.

      Hell, a fucking bread tuber explained it perfectly 7 years ago.

      https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A

      They will watch liberal democracy burn before they take a single step outside of its “process” to protect it. They will side with the fascist over anyone that tries to resist them. The fascist after all will suddenly be very concerned about “the process” when the Democratic party voters start electing people with actual goals.

      Well, they’ll be very concerned about “the process being violated” in these suddenly very suspicious elections. The establishment Democrat politicians and the fascist Republicans will suddenly work together to stop “communist” or whatever.

      It’s happening now. The Democrats can’t seem to love Fox News enough these days. Complaining about these damn DSA candidates.

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        You probably already know how the history of liberalism developed, but it was developed during tumultuous periods in European history of constant warring due to differences in beliefs (as well criticism on government control on economy by mercantilism). So, modern day liberals have strong, almost co-dependence I would say, to sticking to “decorum” and “process” as you mentioned. I still see many liberals can’t fathom the possibility of a far right entrenchment and afraid to even consider of taking up arms or a civil war against a tyrannical government. That being said, to be fair to the liberal American founding fathers, they recognise the possibility of a tyrannical government and included the second amendment as last resort. However, many liberals are afraid to even consider taking arms if it comes to it (which is understandable because of the previous civil war), and think the next midterm elections won’t be interfered upon by Trump and his broligarchs.

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        I’d say the problem with liberals is they’re class traitors, liars, and snakes. They don’t mind that their largest donors are also raping and murdering innocent children with our tax dollars. Liberals break the law all the time. They don’t mind bending process to fit their needs. They don’t mind what Trump and the traitor republicans are doing, that’s why they aren’t breaking the process.

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          Agreed. The liberals politicians are very much willing to serve the interest of fascist at this point. I would say that their voting base is still stuck in the same mindset that they have been conditioned into believing though. “Just one more injunction that’ll do it! We told them STOP IT!”