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    No its, vote blue no matter who* only applicable if the said blue candidate is not progressive

    and the whole fucking time we are voting in primaries, it’s all “progressive candidates can’t win the election” and astroturfed lies and slander using democratic funds to hurt itself in its own confusion. want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.

    and no kings is performative at best

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      want my vote? field candidates that i would vote for.

      I hope you still go to the polls and write-in if you don’t like either candidate.

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        i voted harris for president, but at this point i am so disgusted with how the democrats are acting that i will vote third party if needed.

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        I do. I want it on record that I won’t vote for right wing Democrats.

        Funniest part is when Del libs tell me that the left won’t vote for a woman - because I voted for De La Cruz.

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    Good idea, commenters. Lets keep fighting each other about the perfect candidate for an election that already happened. Surely this will change the situation were in

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    Yay.

    Election season.

    People telling me to vote blue no matter who like I haven’t been doing that since I was 18.

    And I’m fucking old.

    Not to mention the arguments. People just mad everywhere.

    I love politics and don’t hate this stupid game I’m forced to play and always lose.

    Fuck the world.

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    “ANY BLUE WILL DO™”*

    *Terms an conditions apply.

    ANY BLUE WILL DO™ — TERMS AND CONDITIONS

    By repeating, accepting, endorsing, or being shamed into the phrase “Any Blue Will Do,” you agree to the following Terms and Conditions.

    1. Binding Obligation of the Voter

    You agree that “Any Blue Will Do” creates a total, unconditional, irrevocable, morally compulsory obligation to support any candidate designated by the Democratic Party, its consultants, donors, cable news surrogates, or random accounts with flag emojis.

    Support may include voting, donating, volunteering, defending the candidate online, pretending the platform is “actually pretty progressive,” and explaining to younger voters why asking for healthcare is helping fascism.

    2. Definition of “Blue”

    For purposes of this Agreement, “Blue” means any candidate, officeholder, nominee, former Republican, ex-CIA analyst, prosecutor, donor-friendly mayor, or person who has appeared on a Democratic ballot line.

    Notwithstanding the above, “Blue” shall not include leftists, socialists, labor candidates, anti-war candidates, or anyone who causes donors to say “deeply concerning.”

    3. Institutional Discretion

    The Democratic Party reserves the sole, exclusive, perpetual, and non-reviewable right to decide when “Any Blue Will Do” applies.

    This determination may be made before, during, or after the election; in a closed-door meeting; through a leaked memo; or retroactively after the wrong kind of Democrat wins.

    4. Primary Election Exceptions

    Although “Any Blue Will Do” may appear to imply neutrality among Democrats, nothing shall prevent the Party from promoting, funding, endorsing, defending, or quietly coordinating for any candidate deemed sufficiently Normal.

    The Party may intervene against left-wing candidates through endorsements, donor pressure, debate exclusion, ballot challenges, super PACs, whisper campaigns, consultant networks, or sudden concerns about electability.

    Such actions shall not violate “Any Blue Will Do,” because leftists should have known what the phrase meant.

    5. Electability Clause

    You agree that “electability” means whatever the Party needs it to mean at the time.

    A moderate losing by six points proves the country is center-right.

    A leftist losing by six points proves progressive politics are permanently toxic.

    A moderate winning narrowly is a mandate for bipartisan austerity.

    A leftist winning decisively is a local anomaly.

    6. Vote-Shaming Rights Reserved

    The Party, its affiliates, surrogates, influencers, and emotionally exhausted liberals reserve the right to shame, scold, guilt, condescend to, or morally indict you for any failure to provide enthusiastic support.

    This right survives all prior mistreatment, broken promises, ignored policy demands, abandoned constituencies, donor triangulation, union-busting, war funding, anti-immigrant pivoting, or sabotage of your preferred candidate.

    Your obligation to vote blue remains in full force regardless of whether the Party has made any effort to earn your vote.

    7. No Reciprocal Duty

    Nothing in this Agreement creates any reciprocal obligation on the part of the Democratic Party to support candidates, policies, platforms, movements, voters, unions, tenants, students, debtors, the uninsured, the unhoused, the anti-war left, or anyone who has ever said the word “material.”

    The voter’s duty is mandatory.

    The Party’s duty is aspirational, symbolic, non-binding, means-tested, subject to committee review, and likely dead on arrival in the Senate.

    8. Platform Disclaimer

    Any platform, promise, slogan, campaign speech, town hall answer, website bullet point, or “we hear you” statement is non-binding promotional material.

    The Party may abandon, dilute, reframe, study, means-test, postpone, sunset, privatize, or blame the parliamentarian for any stated policy objective.

    No voter shall infer from campaign rhetoric the existence of an actual commitment.

    9. Leftist Candidate Contingency

    In the event that a leftist wins a Democratic primary, “Any Blue Will Do” may be suspended, modified, inverted, or replaced with:

    “We need a serious candidate.”

    “This district is more moderate than people think.”

    “We have concerns about temperament.”

    “They haven’t built relationships.”

    “The tweets are problematic.”

    “This is not the right time.”

    “We need someone who can win.”

    The Party may further reserve the right to remain neutral, quietly assist the opponent, withhold funding, or discover a sudden principled objection to party loyalty.

    10. Consultant Protection Clause

    No provision of this Agreement shall endanger the sacred right of consultants to be paid millions of dollars to lose winnable races while advising candidates to say nothing, offend no donors, avoid popular economic policies, and appear in diners wearing rolled-up sleeves.

    Consultant compensation shall not be contingent on winning elections.

    11. Donor Supremacy Clause

    In the event of a conflict between voters and donors, donors shall prevail.

    In the event of a conflict between the platform and donors, donors shall prevail.

    In the event of a conflict between democracy and donors, a task force shall be convened after the election.

    12. Unity

    You agree that “unity” means left-wing voters supporting the nominee chosen by the Party.

    You further agree that “division” means left-wing voters asking for anything in return.

    Calls for unity may be issued immediately after the Party has spent months calling your candidate unelectable, dangerous, unserious, divisive, unrealistic, toxic, radical, online, or insufficiently grateful.

    13. Harm Reduction

    You acknowledge that harm reduction is extremely important and shall be invoked whenever the Party requires your vote.

    You further acknowledge that harm reduction shall not require the Party to reduce harm when doing so would inconvenience donors, police unions, defense contractors, pharmaceutical companies, fossil fuel interests, private insurers, landlords, or anyone described as a “stakeholder.”

    14. Democracy Preservation Clause

    You agree that democracy is on the ballot in every election.

    You further agree that democracy may be preserved through ballot access litigation, superdelegate influence, donor consolidation, debate manipulation, primary interference, and stern editorials about the dangers of populism.

    Any contradiction shall be resolved in favor of the Party.

    15. Waiver of Expectations

    By accepting these Terms, you waive any expectation that your vote, organizing, small-dollar donations, canvassing, or repeated emergency mobilization shall entitle you to policy concessions, appointments, accountability, respect, or basic recognition as part of the coalition.

    You may be thanked in fundraising emails.

    16. Amendment Rights

    The Democratic Party reserves the right to amend these Terms at any time without notice.

    Amendments may be announced by think tank memo, anonymous senior aide quote, cable news panel consensus, donor retreat, consultant Substack, or sudden redefinition of what “realistic” means.

    Continued existence under Republican threat shall constitute acceptance of all amended Terms.

    17. Enforcement

    This Agreement shall be enforced exclusively against voters to the left of the nominee.

    No enforcement mechanism shall apply to conservative Democrats, corporate Democrats, swing-district moderates, billionaire donors, retired generals, anti-choice incumbents, oil-state senators, police-union candidates, or anyone who says “kitchen table issues” while opposing the policies that would help people afford kitchens or tables.

    18. Remedies

    If you violate this Agreement by withholding support, criticizing the nominee, supporting a primary challenger, asking for concessions, mentioning Gaza, saying “universal healthcare,” objecting to means-testing, or pointing out that the Party did the opposite of what it demanded from you, remedies may include:

    vote-shaming, accusations of privilege, accusations of Russian influence, lectures about 2016, screenshots of Supreme Court decisions, demands that you “grow up,” comparisons to Republicans, and fundraising emails addressed to “Friend.”

    These remedies apply regardless of whether your criticism is accurate.

    19. Entire Agreement

    These Terms constitute the entire agreement between the Democratic Party and the voter, superseding all prior hopes, movements, promises, platforms, speeches, donations, canvassing shifts, and moments when you briefly believed this relationship might become less abusive.

    By proceeding, you acknowledge that “Any Blue Will Do” means any blue will do for you, not for them.

    20. Acceptance

    By voting, not voting, considering voting, discussing voting, posting, lurking, donating, organizing, complaining, or failing to clap loudly enough, you agree to be bound by these Terms and Conditions.

    No purchase necessary.

    No refunds.

    Void where democracy is practiced.

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            Yeah I need to work shop it. Like the point was to be overly verbose, but I don’t think the presentation works. I like the idea though even though maybe I didn’t stick the landing. Anything in particular that gave off AI vibes? Most of this is just me regurgitating accusations I’ve made of you. Actually, now thinking about it, I should have slipped an easter egg in there for you to find later.

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              I bet if you asked ChatGPT to re-write the Apple ToS as a politically illiterate socialist critiquing liberals you’d end up with very similar text.

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                Yeah I think the format is wrong too though. Like, its just too much for a copy pasta. I think a gif would be better, they go to click the TOS and the text just starts scrolling past like movie credits.

                Maybe with some version of this wojack towards the end reacting to Chuck Schumer chanting “We will win” as the liberals cuckold themselves to fascists.

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    Unless the candidate is a progressive, then the establishment Dems won’t endorse them (unless the progressive wins, then suddenly they totally supported the progressive all along)

    (no, I’m not saying don’t vote, just frustrated by the fucking hypocrisy)

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      Make sure you’re pressuring the establishment Democrats in your jurisdiction and the people making campaign contributions.

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        Exactly. This times a million. We don’t vote in primaries and then get all surprised that the Democratic candidates resemble the folks who voted in the primaries.

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          Imo if you don’t vote in the primaries, you’ve forfeited your right to bitch about the candidates on the general ticket

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        I figured that bit was obvious, I was speaking more towards the Dem leadership’s hypocrisy. Again, absolutely not saying “don’t vote both sides reeeeee”

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        Ya that’s a problem I have in my neck of the words. Everyone complains about who is on the General Election ticket and they just shrug their shoulders about voting in the Primary.

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          “You mean I have to vote, and then vote again? Ugh, I wasnt even planning to show up to the actual vote. Meh…it’ll all work out fine.”

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              or just have longer and more convenient early voting? In Norway you can vote for at least a month at local public institutions

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              I have worked for companies that would rather pay out unemployment due to wrongful termination than give time off for voting.

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              If voting day was a holiday, only people who get federal holidays off would get the day off. But it would be a great excuse to get rid of early voting.

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                  Good thing no one has to work on Sundays. Easter Sunday is a federal holiday and there’s plenty of people who still have to work.

                  If voting day becomes a federal holiday, states that don’t like the idea of poor people voting will do away with early voting.

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        vote in the primaries.

        When the party runs primaries at all, they interfere with them every chance they get. Saying “jUsT vOtE iN tHe PrImArIeS” without acknowledging this paints the results of the party’s corruption as the will of the people.

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      Yeah didn’t the Democratic Party take credit for some shit Mamdani got done? Seemed pretty shitty since they tried to stop him from getting elected.

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    Yeah no. You wanna know why so many progressives are getting nominations this cycle? It’s because we didn’t “vote blue no matter who” last year and the corpocrats are kind of realizing they’re gonna have to budge to actually get people to the polls again. Vote for the person you… want to vote for.

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      It’s because we didn’t “vote blue no matter who” last year

      You 100% fucking did. That’s why Mikie Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger are governors.

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        We had a choice between Sherrill and Ciattarelli. I think even in spite of how useless she’s been and how she’s been handling Delaney Hall, we made the better choice.

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        Yeah, 2024, my bad. Spanberger is about as liberal as a Dem can be, she is not some ultraleft savior of the commonwealth btw.

        T. Virginian

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      It’s because we didn’t “vote blue no matter who” last year

      If you want to draw a line from not voting blue to more progressives getting nominations then you have to skip the inconvenient side effect of having a fascist child rapist felon as president who’s not going to allow a free election.

      Well done.

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        Didn’t say it was preferable or even good, but it is the reason the DNC is tepidly allowing outspoken socialists on their ticket when just ten years ago they were collaborating with Trump to take out Sanders. They can sense that corporate support is going away and that their voters wont bother to show up if the candidates are no different than the last guy

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          That’s not my feeling.

          If anything I feel like they don’t really have any strategy other than being not-trump.

          There’s no cohesion or brand or message.

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          Didn’t say it was preferable or even good, but it is the reason the DNC is tepidly allowing outspoken socialists on their ticket when just ten years ago they were collaborating with Trump to take out Sanders.

          They’re not “allowing” anything. They’re still doing everything they can to block progressive candidates. It’s just stopped working.

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    “Would you like to be stabbed or punched in the face? If you don’t pick one we’ll go for the stabbing.”

    I hate it, but please vote.

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      “Don’t punch us in the face”

      “YOU WANT STABBING! I totally hate this or whatever by the way, vote facepunch no matter who.”

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    The virgin Hillary atheist establishment democrat neolib cishet ally versus the chad vape and xanax addicted poly amorous nonbinary zoomer anarcho-socialist

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        Probably, but maybe not as vocally as the cishet ally with a “SCIENCE IS REAL” bumper sticker on her ass.

        The chad nonbinary anarcho-socialist knows that science is a real methodology and not a belief system to stand behind, and doesn’t need to broadcast it.

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    Fascists are scared of a lot of things, but this isn’t one of them. One camp uses a degree of class analysis, while the other is aggressively identitarian and thinks class politics are the hallmark of a bad person who’ll abandon marginalized groups.

    Both rely chiefly on electoral wins to get the outcome they want. This alliance is a paper tiger.

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      Yeah, one of the few things fascists don’t fear is voting blocs, because they’re just interested in seizing power by any means necessary.

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      As opposed to another Cruz, Graham, or McConnell? Yeah Ill even put up with Fetterman.

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        As though any centrist wouldn’t gleefully vote for any of those as long as they were running against someone who wanted to raise the minimum wage.

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          Changing the majority party means even if there are shit heads, we won’t be having votes to make everything worse. The reason Trump gets away with all his shit is because Johnson is there to cover for him in the house and Thune in the Senate. Even Schumer would do a better job than Thune, with a few assholes in the party.

          Even if you don’t like the shit heads like Fetterman, Manchin or Lieberman, they give the party a majority to put a stop to the rightward ratcheting of our politics. The time to get rid of them is during primaries, that’s how you turn the ratchet back.

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            But they don’t. They don’t give the democrats a majority if they keep voting with republicans.

            And we saw how Obama sat on his hands for two years while Dems had a supermajority. Then when republicans had control of congress, gee golly gosh, the mean republicans won’t let us have single payer. Now take this health care plan written by The Heritage Institute and like it.

            And NAFTA. And the Biden crime bill. And the Clinton welfare reform.

            They’re just republicans with blue ties and pride flag pins.

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              It doesn’t matter how they vote, being in the Dem Caucus gives Dems the majority. It may not allow the Dems to win new policy, but it stops the GoP from making things worse.