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And now you can pay $60 to get less of their features!
Librewolf
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Waterfox?
Both?
Nothing much, what’s up with you?
Zen?
I like the idea of Zen but hate the tabs on the side. Can I change it?
There is a specific reason why you prefer horizontal tabs? If the problem is space: there are many way to fix this, if not, then you are better off using another browser, many Zen features are made around the vertical tabs
For me, the key to dealing with the vertical tabs was to set the tab bar to auto hide. I’d still prefer horizontal tabs, but at least I get the space back.
I keep meaning to try Zen. I have it installed on my desktop for like, jeez, at least a year. Yet to start it up.
Brave users will probably prefer Waterfox, as it has a couple QoL features that are useful.
LibreOwOlf
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Floorp
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✋Not the droid you’re looking for
The unfortunate truth is that on iOS it’s the only acceptable browser option since it is by far the best at adblocking.
But you have to deactivate all the crypto stuff
Anyone with alternatives welcome (except Safari)Edit: Went on a quick search to find another browser. It is just not possible on iOS. I don’t want to download 2 apps and configure a dns just to not see ads ffs.
uBlock Lite is available for Safari. It’s free.
or if you’re not averse toto a paid option, Wipr rocks
Ddg browser
Unfortunately no adblocking
Incorrect.
Well, after a search, it turns out that as of June 2 2026 you can block ads on YT with ddg. It still serves you some Microslop ads though the search. Also it seems pretty strong at ad blocking.
I will start using that from now on and and see how it goes.
They actually have their own built in YouTube player. It’s nice.
In the early days, ddg’s browser used to block YouTube ads direct. But now it only blocks ads through the duckplayer.
An interesting thing about ddg is it does stop websites seeing how much battery you have. I don’t know why this is useful, I just thought it was a fun fact.
That’s actually really cool, websites can deduce the model of your phone by how quickly or slowly it drains (of course not on it’s own but it helps for fingerprinting)
Orion browser is fantastic and blocks ads out of the box
Unfortunately Orion is closed source. Though last I heard, Kagi was working towards open sourcing it.
on iOS
there’s your problem! My android phone needs repairs and I’m using my old iPhone in the interim, which is several months bc I don’t have a lot of disposable phone repair money rn, and my GOD the amount of ads and downright unhappiness I’m dealing with right now that I’d forgotten about thanks to android. No thanks to Google, obv, but Fdroid and the lovely FLOSS software that just isn’t available on iOS. Even my Syncthing is half broken because Mobius sync caps you to only sharing a couple MiB without paying!
To be fair, still better than Chrome, though.
It’s just a reskinned chrome, which is bad for the internet
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“I put a wrap on my Tesla, it’s a whole different car now” - energy
There’s a lot of people in these comments that don’t quite understand browser differences… And forks.
It’s just a reskinned chrome
Well, so is everything except Firefox and Firefox forks.
And Safari
Not really. Chrome + crypto bro ad-ons by an ad company is worse than OG chrome.
Also Pale Moon is still borked from the Tobin saga.
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
Waterfox is clean after you turn off crash telemetry.
Thats quite a claim about firefox studies.
What’s the Tobin saga?
Source on firefox re-enabling telemetry on its own? Mine never did it
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
On desktop? That’s fucked, idk how that’s not more publicized
Also, it’s still Chromium, meaning it can be affected by Google’s decisions.
i tell you what, i’ll keep an eye on the brave usage numbers and if they keep heading up because it’s such a great browser i’ll keep it under my hat
deal?
Come and delete this comment when you’re sober again.
Vivaldi is my favourite Chromium browser, if I have to/want to not use Firefox European based software is becoming as important as foss to me.
Shocking number of people under-informed about browsers here.
Brave just released a $60 paid (except on Linux Desktop) version without bloat. It worked barely OK in the first place, but didn’t obfuscate all of your browser fingerprint. It spoofed fonts, that was its major innovation.
Only Tor truly anonymizes web traffic. This is not opinion, this is fact.
LibreWolf, Mullvad, and hardened FF help, but they all give their own fingerprints. As does Vivaldi and Floorp.
Personally, I cycle through all 7 of these. Only things tied to my name on stock FF. Everything else gets its own different browser private mode and VPN location.
Use whatever you want, but understand that unless you’re on Tor or spreading your risk across multiple tools, it’s trivial for Google to triangulate you across the web.
I’m not super deep into this, i2p doesn’t anonymize web traffic? What does it do then?
i2p is a separate network entirely, and part of that is routing your traffic to someone else’s connection. So your exit node is someone else’s laptop or server. And you’re letting other people doing who knows what else use your connection as an exit node. Which, for me, is an absolute deal breaker. I don’t trust other people online to let them use my connection.
Thanks. Very good comment, I agree… And yet…
Ironically, not being on what most people are using (stock Chrome without extensions) is already a fingerprint. And tor browser, even if it is providing anonymity, is also a huge fingerprint on itself, by blocking all the fingerprinting stuff…
The irony is lost the moment you come up with a proper threat model upon which you base the decisions of what security and privacy measures are going to be taken for a given online activity.
I really liked (and used it for quite a while) that extension, Ad Nauseam, that would actually follow behind scenes all ads and shit…
This is a bit like the “If you’re not doing anything, you have nothing to hide” argument. You’re thinking this is an all or nothing position, and it’s very much not. It depends on one’s threat model, but there’s two sides to the coin worth considering.
First, that your entire life is open to anyone with money. Individuals so motivated can spend a couple grand and buy your advertising data and stalk you. Everything you think, every little whim, every random question, is used to build a profile on you that benefits someone else financially. All you get is free email and a mediocre browser from a billion-dollar company that derives an average of $1,600 from you a year if you’re in the US ? You can pay for those services for a tenth of that. So you’re 90% profit to Google.
On the flip side, by giving up so much high-value data, that profile becomes active in real time. Even if you use ad blockers and don’t see the ads (which as a Chrome user, you no longer can do). You are an active target by companies. Not just you, everyone around you. Friends, family, coworkers. For some big ticket items, advertisers will target anyone connected to your profile. So your parents, your kids, your neighbors, might start to get ads about a cruise. Not for them, but for you, since it looks like you might be a good mark for a cruise. These companies manipulate people around you to be the ads, so that when you bring up “we’re thinking about doing a cruise” at some point, everyone around you jumps in with the same “oh, well I’ve heard that XYZ Cruise company is good.”
You trust a company that much to manipulate you and everyone around you without bias? With your best interests in mind? You want to cede your agency as a human to real-time auctions?
Personally, this is fundamentally abhorrent to me. And I understand that other people are fine with this. However, I’d rather leave a small and bland trail of a few occasional and useless crumbs, and then leave “redacted” as a middle finger because that deprives Google and Meta of using me as a revenue source. The nice part is that even partially masking your footprint and traffic, it’s enough to break the real-time value of you as an individual. So not only does every little bit help, every little bit has effects to protect you and your family.
Brave is the default in Zorin OS, for some reason.
Zorin is a piece of shit thats only reason of relevance is that a bunch of sloptubers jumped on the „LiNuX iS uSeR fRiEnDlY now???” train. There is nothing to learn from Zorin except that you could sell 80% of humanity an overpriced and underperforming product by marketing everything but their product as overly complicated and only for nerds
That bad, huh?
Its the most sub average you can get.
It works, but the package maintenance is sub par, with some apps being years old, the ui does not allow a user to have more advanced options, like the updates executable just being a loading bar instead of something fully featured like KDE discover, etc
I test drove it for a couple days and it worked well enough for a noob. I don’t think it’s intended for advanced level use.
I’m checking out Linux Lite next—my laptop is ancient lol
Well, they have paid and education versions, so likely it’s the default because Brave paid to be the default. Gotta get cash from the free users too.
It’s why I don’t recommend it anymore
Haven’t seen much talk about Zen on Lemmy, i think i’m gonna try that when i have more time since it seems like the most radically different browser ever
I’ve been using Zen for about 3 months after using Floorp for about the same. I prefer Zen because it’s different and the workflow just feels better.
You should be made aware that your account is flagged as a bot.
Hmmm thanks I’ll try to figure that out. :/
It is a flag in your profile that you can toggle.
Why would I use something other than firefox?
because Mozilla insists on sucking major ass? idk
Mozilla sucks more ass than Google in your opinion?
absolutely not! that wasn’t part of your question though.
You can maybe try Ladybird (most websites is kinds usable now I guess)
the lead developer for ladybird had a controversy regarding transphobia though
while checking to see if anything happened regarding the controversy, i found that the same person that claimed that suggesting using gender neutral pronouns instead of assuming the reader was a man was advertising personal politics, the lead developer for ladybird, also complained about white men being actively discriminated against in tech and said he hopes “many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists.” regarding the death of Charlie Kirk
i was going to link sources for everything here, but this article has all of them already and its easier to have a single link
I never knew about any of this, damn.
It’s not even in alpha release yet
Ohh yes, obviously not in the condition to daily drive, and you need to compile from source.
ight straight up what is the use case for ladybird? Who do you think is going to “try” it?
It doesn’t work yet - there’s not really a reason to “use” it unless you’re going to try and develop it
Well, I would recommend waterfox over firefox because waterfox has just straight up removed any AI stuff rather than giving you the option to opt out of it.
Sounds like a lot more work than just opting out
~ish, waterfox is reconfigured firefox. They have a single button sync on first launch to clone your firefox data over, it took me like 60 seconds to swap everything over. And you get a lot more than just removing AI from firefox, it’s essentially a preconfigured firefox. Removes a lot of telemetry and analytic stuff, strict-enforces better security protocols, prettier layout and stuff.
It doesn’t really buy you any new functionality, but it’s way quicker to just use waterfox than it is to spend hours configuring the weird shit like private DNS in firefox.
I agree, but also Waterfox just generally has a more free/unmonitozed default and the AI stuff is just an example. It’s a one-time switch to Waterfox and it’ will forever turn off/on the stuff that you would otherwise have to do manually.
Packagemanager Install waterfox
I liked the idea of the crypto thing they implemented originally, so I opened a wallet… Actually ended up costing me money. Never made ANY crypto from it
Happy to stick to Firefox. Been using it since the original betas when they added proper theming and addons.
“Fuck Ford, fix or repair daily! It’s Chevrolet all the way. Dodge Chrysler ain’t bad though.”. The same conversations from the past still live in the future, only the focus has shifted, with added suspicion that didn’t exist before.
In this case, no. This isn’t about brand identity, this is about technical implementation. To make your analogy work, it’s more like “Don’t buy that Ford because the 5.4L Triton in it is notorious for sparkplug ejection.”
In this case, Brave is notorious for everything in that post, and more. The CEO got fired from the board of Mozilla after something like 10 days for being a piece of shit about gay people wanting to be married.
BTW if you want to free yourself from Brendan Eich completely, you can’t. he made Javascript.
