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Could we not just jailbreak these cars?
It should be possible and easy to jailbreak and set up self hosting solutions for the premium features
They’ll mandate that jail broken cars can’t pass inspection or something like that or if your car stops connecting to your insurance’s servers then they’ll cancel your coverage. Maybe even make it a crime.
You know what a jailbroken car is called?
Horse.
Link to article?
there are a bunch, here’s an easy one to find
So, people are buying those trucks because they watched too many horror movies.
We were due for a new car, but because of all the data garbage wasn’t keen on brand new. My wife found a 2004 car in mint mechanical condition and pristine interior, so went back in time.
Maybe a company somewhere will recognize this emerging market.
There is an EV company that understood and is make a blank Slate truck. I think the initial PR said no radio or navi, just a blank dash. Because people who want nav could add it or use a phone. Drops Costa by staying simple.
Slate is backed by Bezos.
Aw crap
For tractor’s someone in Canada has figured it out.
Too bad they didn’t go electric, though.
Getting ads for vibe coding on that article is so funny
Does it have a flux capacitor?
Can we fucking give a shit about privacy now? Like seriously how many final straws do we have to see before people see this as a serious political issue? Fuck.
Glad I don’t have a car anyway :)
Dystopian. This shit is going to be everywhere.
I’m so glad I bought a homestead and live in the middle of no where
This is every 10 year olds dream
Until you break your arm or your dog is dying and needs emergency care.
Humans shouldn’t be that isolated. Some is fine. But isolation isnt how we fight fascism.
This is why I live halfway between nowhere and somewhere. Vets and hospital and poor reception so pulling the cell antenna off seems to bork onstar.
My partner broke their leg last year. I just took them to the hospital…
So to you, middle of nowhere must be an hour or less to a city with a hospital. Thats normal rural. True middle of nowhere is a 6 hour drive at 80 mph to a town of 2000 (think north east Montana)
When i think of true home steading I don’t think of 1 acre 15 miles from town. Thats just an acreage, plenty of city folk have those.
I live on 15 acres, 20 minutes from a town of around 20,000 just just happens to have a hospital.
In my province, I’m in the middle of no where. I’m on a rural dirt road that sees zero traffic.
Also, shout out to “true homesteading”, as if you’re gatekeeping farming.
Thats mildly rural.
I’m sick of these “trad farm” folks that keep popping up thinking they’re “roughing it” when they’ve never worked on a farm in their life.
You dont seem like one of those.
No surprise coming from a company that was founded by a nazi and also build most cop cars.
How often are americans really in such an emergency? Like, I keep seeing this whole “what are you gonna do when someone invades your home” thing from the gun nuts, and apparently now from the car nuts too.
No one is going to invade your home to murder you. If someone breaks in, they just want your tv!
By watching these lunatics it would seem everyone is constantly getting assaulted by people dead set on murdering them. Seriously; no one gives a shit about you! You’re not that fucking important Rambo. They just want to sell your tv for $30 at a pawn shop.
Lots of down votes yet no one able to answer. I didn’t expect Lemmings here specifically to be Fox News level nutjobs.
He gives one example…
Here’s another. I’m on a road trip and I’m getting tired. I pull off to head to the hotel. Figure I’ll stop to get gas so I can get going in the morning. After filling up, the car won’t start because it detects I’m too drowsy to drive. Guess I’m walking to the hotel. Hoping when the person who works inside the station shows up in the morning he doesn’t tow the car(many stations are ‘open 24/7’ but only pumps. The store has different hours).
Best case that situation might just be annoying if the hotel is a block or two over from the station but could also be expensive if your car is towed to free up the gas stations pump that you’re blocking. Adding some more variables makes it worse. I routinely make a drive in winter through northern states where it might be -20F(-29C) in certain parts of it. That kind of changes things.
Did you only watch the first 4 seconds and not the deep dive for the rest of the video?
Let’s also consider: a woman trying to escape an abuser or a rapist… You shouldn’t need your car/Ford’s permission to do what’s best for your own safety and security
Accidents happen in the woods all the time. Could take hours for an ambulance to arrive. You wouldn’t want to wait
you have to remember that a lot of people live 30 minutes or more from any emergency response. if I cut my finger off, I’d want to be driven to the hospital asap, not wait for an ambulance that’s not really all that necessary because it’s not a life-threatening condition
Big wins for mass transit between the pointless Iran war, and shit like this that car makers are doing.
What bus have you been on in the last ten years that doesn’t have cameras on it?
I didn’t know I was driving the bus.
So a camera in your house is cool because there’s a cameras in other places? Ok…
Just get whatever car you want, disconnect the cell network antenna, and connect that wire through a resistor to ground. The car will forever think it’s outside of cell signal range and will operate with none of the connectivity features, none of the spyware, none of the ‘emergency’ controls.
There’s maybe still a bit of concern about your car preserving data on its internal storage that you’d rather it not preserve, but other than that, this is a simple fix that solves all the ‘car is too high tech’ issues. If you don’t know how to do it yourself, I’m sure you can find some independent mechanics who will do it for you.
There’s probably a fuse you could just pull instead that shuts down that entire system
Possibly… But it’s likely that the internet modem is integrated together with the car’s radio head unit, or at least pulls power through the same fuse. Since it’s fairly unlikely that they have a single fuse that only powers the cell connection, the fuse-pulling approach is likely to disable other things as well, possibly some pretty important things.
Going after the antenna wire ensures that you only disable the internet connection, nothing else.
I’m doing both. I want these systems totally offline. If I could, I’d tear them the f out of the car entirely. This shit is evil.
Fwiw your second paragraph is reality. Mechanics automatically upload the stored data when they jump through the licensing and computing hoops to clear codes, update serial numbers for replacement parts, etc
Ah congrats, not only have you voided your warranty, but your insurance company now refuses to insure your vehicle, and it cannot be legally driven.
That is where this is headed.
Where it’s headed? Maybe…
But that’s definitely not where it is now. A small, reversible modification like this won’t void your warranty in any meaningful way (unless you then go in to make a warranty claim about your connectivity features not working). And no insurance company is going to care whether you’ve disconnected the internet connection antenna – even if they wanted to … how would they know?
The insurance companies already have dongles that “give you a discount” (read: price-gouge anyone not using them) for snooping on your driving. I’m sure they’re very excited for that functionality to be built into all cars so they have an excuse make it mandatory for providing coverage.
I bet they got a failsafe for that too. Like 2 weeks to a month later, you get something of a hard fail error that shuts everything down and forces you to contact the manufacturer for maintenance…
Possibly, I suppose. Nothing is stopping them from doing that. Though it would be a huge dick move, and it might end up exposing them to a lot more warranty claims than they planned on if something goes wrong with that ‘car kills itself if it goes too long without cell signal’ system.
Like … suppose a perfectly normal owner leaves his car parked inside an underground parking garage or a metal shed while he goes on vacation … and then comes back a few weeks to a month later and finds out that his car won’t work at all? Now the dealership is on the hook for towing fees, half an hour of technician labor to reset the system, and maybe even the use of a loaner car for a day. That potential cost seems to really outweigh the ‘benefit’ of preventing any owner from purposefully disconnecting their car.
Anyway, if you somehow end up with a car like that, then you might need to be a bit more creative in the solution: instead of connecting the antenna wire directly to a resistor, you’ll need to connect it with a 2-way switch. One position on the switch connects it to a grounded resistor, the other position connects it to the original antenna. Then you just have to remember to occasionally turn the car’s spyware on for a few minutes every month or two, just long enough to reset its internal self-destruct timer. (Though it is possible that it might be collecting data while disconnected and then sending that collected data once the connection is reestablished. In that case, this isn’t a very good solution, though it would at least prevent them from fucking with you in real time.)
Media players for cienmas have something broadly similar - if a clock in a media board drifts too far (outside about five mins) it requires a tech to hard reset it. You get two of these a year.
Outside that it permabricks $20,000 of equipment and you can go fuck yourself.
Bicycles are vehicles. I definitely own it.
People buying vehicles that have LTE connections and then complaining about connectivity problems deserve exactly what they get.
it’s getting hard to not get that. Anything that’s onstar capable still calls home even if you don’t pay for the service, you just don’t get the benefit from it
Don’t buy new cars then? Not like there’s a shortage of used cars in the world. It’s better to prevent waste anyway.
Is it really though? While few new vehicles are “cell-less”, countless relatively new used vehicles are not only “unplugged” but also less than 1/2 the price of the identical “new” version of that model.
I have a 2020 model CUV. Bit after infotainment, but before the all-digital dash bullshit.
I will be driving it until the wheels fall off, or until gas is literally no longer available.
